COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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Danoff
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What exactly are you not convinced about?
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Hey if you aren't convinced, then that's on you. However, if you believe in actively ignoring guidelines set for the safety of everyone because it "inconveniences you" then.... well... shows what kind of person you are.
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Take that to the conspiracy thread. @Touring Mars has said repeatedly that crap isn't welcomed here.
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Not sure if i'm allowed to give my opinion in this thread and I'm not putting it in the conspiracy theory thread.
You're just being a dick now.
I don't like the guidelines but I play by the rules. I don't think it's fair to downplay the COVID restrictions when many people are having their lives destroyed by the restrictions. To me Thats more than just an "inconvenience".
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I've always been a dick. I'm no shrinking violet; I'm brash and belligerent. It's in my nature and I've never made any attempt to conceal it, though I constantly make an effort to suppress that nature because I realize it's generally not conducive to discussion. But here I've made a remark based on observations, a remark that wasn't directed at anyone in particular even if it was a response to your posting, and rather than make any kind of attempt to refute what I've said--presumably because you can't--you're choosing to be offended by what I've said at the very same time that you lob personal attacks at me. That's fine, I guess. You do you.
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Not much can be done though. You either keep everything open, which will increase the transmission, and likely will increase the number of people needing healthcare services. Or you restrict what's open, require people to have face coverings, and hope that healthcare services aren't overrun. The only way to prevent getting to this point is to catch the initial transmission in the early days, contact trace, and require forced quarantine. Once the genie is out of the bottle so to speak, you just do what you can to slow the spread down enough to keep healthcare services afloat while either the population trends towards herd immunity or a vaccine is developed, tested, and administered.
Right now the world is somewhere between herd immunity and vaccine distribution. There is a chance those two lines could intersect at some point, or one could ultimately win out. Hopefully, the vaccine administration wins out in the end and people aren't too stupid to actually get it since our best chance of quelling the pandemic is the vaccine.
Is the long term economic impact going to be bad? Absolutely. I don't think you'll find anyone that denies that but you have to essentially figure out what's going to be the bigger problem, people losing their jobs or people losing their lives due to inadequate healthcare. This also doesn't take into account what the long term effects may or may not be either. If COVID leaves a significant number of people who were infected with lifelong problems, then you'll see the healthcare system continue to be strained for decades. As much as I hate government handouts, it seems like just printing money and paying people to stay home is the least bad option right now.
Also, no government wants to look inept and have the blood of thousands of its citizens on its hands. Doing what it can to save people from themselves at least make them look like they're doing something. There would be a massive uproar if major world governments just went "you know what go 🤬 off and die for all we care".
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Masking is a minor inconvenience. Reasonable efforts to socially distance are a minor inconvenience. These things have been demonstrated to curb the spread of COVID and it's when that spread is determined to be excessive that you get the sort of response that has economic impact. The logical response is to accept the minor inconveniences to lessen economic impact, but instead you get anti-maskers and COVID deniers ****-posting on social media.
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Per the first post, it's allowed if it's not misinformation, a conspiracy theory, or unverifiable claims.
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I suppose that would depend on what opinions you're talking about. Are you talking about conspiracy theories? If so, it should probably go in the conspiracy theory thread. There are quite a few conspiracy theories that surround COVID-19, and I can understand an effort to keep them out of this thread. I don't think anyone has shied away from scientific discussion in this thread, but I do seem to recall you being shown, in great detail, what you've been misinformed about. And I gather that you have not spent any time re-evaluating your position.
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There are a lot of people STILL out of work...
You can't eat if you don't make money, you can't put gas in your car if you don't make money, you can't keep your power on and keep a roof over your head IF YOU DON'T MAKE MONEY, yeah ,yeah, foodstamps blah blah.
We can't just keep printing money. Not to mention that $600 doesn't cover 9 nine months of bills...
PS: Not everyone here is as "blessed" as some members here...
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It's funny how 1 party has been continuously proposing bills that would literally compensate you for your "inconvenience" while the other downplayed the virus altogether and when you died from it, "it is what it is" just writing you off as your death wasn't more preventable.
Printing money is a nonsense argument as well. Deficit hawks are happy to continue chucking money at bailing out the rich & the military, and scoff at any idea that maybe we could take some of that money and redistribute it elsewhere.
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Your response does not appear to be aimed at what @TexRex was talking about. Masks do not cause you to be out of work.
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That's an odd, bitchy response to the post you quoted. If it wasn't so bitchy, I'd take it as an affirmation [of*] what I said. Wear a mask. Make a reasonable effort to socially distance. Obviously certain situations make the latter more difficult and so it's that much more important to adhere to the former. Consider that malcontents and "virtuous" dissidents spewing conspiratorial claptrap on social media platforms are actually prolonging the situation that we are all in.
*Edit to add.
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Danoff
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I don't think I'm the "he," which makes the second part a little awkward. It's probably good advice for everyone.
So you're saying that this:
Is @ryzno complaining on behalf of @VolkswagenX? This is the same guy who wants us to read less carefully? Where did you get your ryzno decoder ring?
So we have @VolkswagenX who is not saying what he's complaining about. And the we have @ryzno who is not referencing @VolkswagenX while complaining on his behalf about the things which @VolkswagenX is not saying - but we're overthinking @ryzno's posts?
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I don't presume to understand the motivation for the remarks, I just know that the context suggests the "he" who is "playing by the rules" by purpotedly wearing a mask is the one who spews anti-mask and anti-vaxx sentiment either in the form of written posts or media undoubtedly sourced from the sorts of places one finds anti-mask and anti-vaxx sentiment.
Yes.
That's a Roger.
Well, that's how @ryzno puts it (and frequently does), anyway.
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Apparently, based on likes, we're supposed to infer that this post represents @VolkswagenX's controversial opinion:
To which I would like to point out that there is a one-word response.
@ryzno, it would really, dramatically, help if you'd start doing us the courtesy of quoting people and tagging them so that we (at a minimum, I) can clearly follow who you're talking about, or to, and whether you've posted a response. You've got two responses on this page alone which fail to include any reference to the people you're responding to, and you had an entire tirade aimed at a member you didn't mention.
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