COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

  • Thread starter baldgye
  • 13,285 comments
  • 647,556 views
Just stating my observations.
Brownsville is the largest city in Cameron County. Cameron County turned out for Democratic candidates in the major contests of the 2020 election, including an actual majority for Biden. Cameron County is also in line with major Democratic centers in Texas--such as Travis, Harris, Dallas and Bexar counties--for vaccination rates, with nearly half of adults partially vaccinated and about a quarter fully vaccinated. Mask compliance in the area isn't terribly surprising.
 
Got an appointment for a shot tomorrow. I don’t know which one it will be yet (where I’m getting the shot provides Pfizer and Moderna), but it doesn’t matter to me.

Edit: First Moderna in the books.
 
Last edited:
It was absolutely sickening to see massive anti-lockdown protests in London (and smaller ones elsewhere, including in my city) yesterday, even as harrowing scenes are coming in from India where lax lockdown measures and a series of mistakes by the government(s) and wrong assumptions about herd immunity have contributed to what is rapidly becoming a public health calamity.

Seriously, I've had it with people who still push false narratives about the impact of lockdowns. Even the website lockdownskeptics.org barely mentions what is happening in India right now in an almost absurd level of denialism. Indeed, the fate currently befalling India utterly destroys their central point, which is exactly why they are refusing to mention it.

India has vaccinated 3.5 times more people than the UK, and is second only to the US in terms of the number of vaccinations it has administered, and yet, this still translates into just 8.5% of the population who have had at least one dose, and vaccination numbers are dropping for a number of reasons, not least that healthcare providers are under unprecedented strain at the moment.

Thus far, most countries (with the exception of Brazil and India) that have faced large numbers of hospitalizations have managed to cope, but only at the expense of onerous restrictions on day-to-day life that have succeeded in stopping those numbers from becoming overwhelming. India is providing the clearest example yet of a country that has gone beyond that limit, and now urgently needs help in providing oxygen, drugs, beds and basic care for a rapidly growing number of people. Positivity rates in some places is 35% or higher. A cursory glance at the 'official' statistics on cases and deaths in India makes it fairly obvious that these numbers are almost certainly much lower than the actual numbers.. for cases and deaths to be on a par with other countries that have seen sizable outbreaks, this would suggest that the official numbers from India on Worldometer, for example, are understating the ground truth by a factor of at least 10...

Meanwhile, back in the UK, a group of prominent lockdown skeptics have written to the government demanding an end to lockdown and basic public health measures such as social distancing and a requirement to wear a mask. While I don't entirely disagree with their main point - that such restrictions ought not be needed once the vaccination rollout has reached a significant level - it still seems to be making some strong assumptions about the longer term effectiveness of the current vaccines, not to mention the risks posed by variants that the vaccines may not be as effective against. If anything, I would have thought recommending social distancing and mask wearing was a wise thing to do, even beyond their set date of June (when lockdown restrictions are scheduled to be mostly lifted anyway!).

The timing of their letter is a bit embarrassing, as it must have been written and checked by the multiple signatories over the course of several days, if not weeks or even months - and hence publishing it now just as India falls into the grip of a horrific overload of Covid cases is, well, quite staggeringly poorly timed.
 
Last edited:
I think I had a bit of a reaction to shot #2. About 6pm or so I started to get a nasty headache. Then a couple of hours later I started get a little chilly and just a general all over body ache. But I've had bad headaches for over 35 years or so and I know how to deal with those. I'm also a cold natured person in general so I just put on my warmer stuff I wear in winter time.

Went to bed around 1am but didn't go to sleep. Watched tv until about 4am when I finally drifted off to sleep but woke up again at 6am and this time I was hot. But over the next 2 or 3 hours I started feeling better. I still have a little bit of body ache but nowhere near as bad as last night.
 
Can anyone explain to my poor brain what the current Coronavirus vaccines do? My understanding of vaccines is that they train the body to fight an infection and stop it from spreading, but the information which has being told about the Covid vaccines imply that they only train your body to cope with the worst side effects of the virus, and it's still possible to spread the virus.

Will we ever get to the point where we can cure and eradicate the virus, or will we need 6 monthly boosters, whether through injections or oral administration?
 
Can anyone explain to my poor brain what the current Coronavirus vaccines do? My understanding of vaccines is that they train the body to fight an infection and stop it from spreading, but the information which has being told about the Covid vaccines imply that they only train your body to cope with the worst side effects of the virus, and it's still possible to spread the virus.

Will we ever get to the point where we can cure and eradicate the virus, or will we need 6 monthly boosters, whether through injections or oral administration?

With Moderna and Pfizer, the vaccine contains synthesized mRNA which prompts cells to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. That protein is then "seen" by the body's immune system and produces antibodies, which leads to T-cell and B-cell responses.

The AZ and J & J vaccines use an adenovirus that contains the gene for the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. I don't know what the J & J one uses, but the AZ uses something that starts with "CHAD" and people have joked that the vaccine is a real Chad. Once that adenovirus is in the system, your immune system starts to fight it and creates antibodies.

Novavax is a subunit vaccine, which I don't really know anything about and the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines use an inert virus, but I haven't really read anything on those so I'm not sure either.

As for "curing" the virus. It's probably theoretically possible to cure COVID, but treatment protocols for most viruses entail treating the symptoms and making sure you don't die while your immune system fights it off. I'm not sure drug companies are making a real effort at this point to develop a bunch of drugs for COVID since they're not sure if the money used for R & D will deliver a return on investment.

As for getting a booster shot. I don't think we know yet, however depending on who you ask you'll likely get a different answer. Right now, the organization I work for is in the initial talks of how to manage a yearly COVID vaccine in the same way we'd manage a yearly flu vaccine. Those of us who got the vaccine early on in its distribution will also probably need a booster shot as new variants pop up. I've already been told that there's a greater chance for me to need a booster this autumn than not.
 
As for "curing" the virus. It's probably theoretically possible to cure COVID, but treatment protocols for most viruses entail treating the symptoms and making sure you don't die while your immune system fights it off. I'm not sure drug companies are making a real effort at this point to develop a bunch of drugs for COVID since they're not sure if the money used for R & D will deliver a return on investment.

Reading this bit reminded me of a couple of articles that I read way back. It's about a couple of South Korean pharmaceutical companies developing "treatments" for covid19. But that was last year and I don't know what the progress in that front is.

Here's an article of it circa Third of October last year: S. Korean bio firms in race for COVID-19 treatment, vaccine development
 
Can anyone explain to my poor brain what the current Coronavirus vaccines do? My understanding of vaccines is that they train the body to fight an infection and stop it from spreading, but the information which has being told about the Covid vaccines imply that they only train your body to cope with the worst side effects of the virus, and it's still possible to spread the virus.

Will we ever get to the point where we can cure and eradicate the virus, or will we need 6 monthly boosters, whether through injections or oral administration?
Here's an article on why figuring out whether vaccines can/do stop transmission is hard to determine...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00450-z

There's also a pretty up-to-date summary from the European CDC, with a summary at the top of Page 2 regarding vaccines and their effect on transmission:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/de...ction-of-SARS-CoV-2-following-vaccination.pdf

In principle, one could expect that vaccines reduce the amount of virus in a person which in turn will translate into a lower probability of that person passing on the virus, but it is a difficult thing to measure in practice.

Even if vaccines do effectively prevent transmission, the question remains as to how long they remain effective. Some recent studies suggest that vaccines might raise antibodies that can last for 6-12 months. If it is only 6 months, then that implies that the whole vaccination programme will need to be repeated every 6 months, or at least until the virus has effectively been eradicated*

The other potential problem is that antibodies raised by vaccines specifically 'recognise' the shape of the spike protein assembly, but new variants of the virus have subtly different spike protein assemblies that antibodies raised against older variants might not properly recognise, and hence more virus particles will achieve their aim of attaching to cells and replicating. That said, there is only so far the spike protein assembly can change in shape before it becomes problematic for the virus, since attachment and cell entry depends on a close match between the shape of the spike protein and the relevant receptors on the cell surface.

* SARS-CoV-2 will probably never be 'eradicated', as different countries have different vaccination rates, so the UK might get rid of it after vaccinating everyone in a period of 6 months, but the majority of people in other countries will have not been vaccinated, and hence new variants that our vaccines might not be as protective against will always remain a risk.
 
If it is only 6 months, then that implies that the whole vaccination programme will need to be repeated every 6 months, or at least until the virus has effectively been eradicated*

I would imagine that the vaccination program due to a 6 month falloff of effectiveness of the first vaccine would look pretty different (at least 1 shot instead of 2 I'd think). I think it was you who mentioned a level of immunity below what we might consider to be "effective" for a vaccine. I would guess that something like that could help keep folks out of the hospital for a long time, even if they are able to spread the virus.
 
Last edited:
I've been reading about India and it's a complete train wreck there right now. Apparently, hospitals are running out of oxygen and people are selling it on the black market. That's crazy to me and really shows how dire things are there right now.

I was curious about the Prime Minister too since it seemed like a few weeks ago he was touting that India had beaten COVID and was even holding massive rallies. He seemed rather Trumpian...then I looked him up and saw that he and Trump actually held joint rallies together so that explains pretty much everything.
 
I was curious about the Prime Minister too since it seemed like a few weeks ago he was touting that India had beaten COVID and was even holding massive rallies. He seemed rather Trumpian...then I looked him up and saw that he and Trump actually held joint rallies together so that explains pretty much everything.
It may also surprise you that he has also made some policies that are not particularly friendly to minority groups.
 
It may also surprise you that he has also made some policies that are not particularly friendly to minority groups.
Should the US just cut India loose to sink or swim on its own? Maybe, because the US has reportedly been very slow to respond to India's request for emergency aid. Joe Biden takes his time to think everything through before he acts.
 
Maybe, because the US has reportedly been very slow to respond to India's request for emergency aid

The US hasn't been slow. Two weeks ago Indian politicians were declaring they'd beaten COVID, now they're in a state of not having oxygen. The US pledged support over the weekend and is working to get testing supplies, PPE, vents, and even oxygen to India. Logistics with this sort of thing isn't easy and any country pledging aide needs to look inward to see if they can afford to give away supplies.

Honestly, with the way the US is going right now, I don't think we should be giving anything away. We're still a long way away from beating COVID, largely in part to white, old, Republican men refusing to get vaccinated. The surging that's happening in six states right now can easily happen in any number of other states at any given time.
 
Going in for my 2nd jab of Moderna tomorrow. Fingers crossed it doesn't kick my behind.
I received my 2nd Moderna on the 17th. I felt lethargic and dull for a day or two, and mild shoulder pain for about 4 days. Otherwise nothing. A walk in the park.
 
I've been reading about India and it's a complete train wreck there right now. Apparently, hospitals are running out of oxygen and people are selling it on the black market. That's crazy to me and really shows how dire things are there right now.

I was curious about the Prime Minister too since it seemed like a few weeks ago he was touting that India had beaten COVID and was even holding massive rallies. He seemed rather Trumpian...then I looked him up and saw that he and Trump actually held joint rallies together so that explains pretty much everything.
A guy I know in India told me there's also a lot of suppression of test results going on now with any Covid death where the victim suffered from other symptoms being recorded as non Covid deaths. Predictably there are also a lot of scams going on right now with people including government officials selling bogus drugs like paracetamol as remdesivir.

It's in the rest of the world's self interest to try and reduce the spread of Covid in India but it would be good if any aid offered was tied to some kind of government reform. Not that that's ever going to happen.
 
Last edited:
t's in the rest of the world's self interest to try and reduce the spread of Covid in India but it would be good if any aid offered was tied to some kind of government reform. Not that that's ever going to happen.

While I certainly agree it's the world's self-interest to help surging countries, I think countries need to put their own citizens first. There's criticism over the US not exporting enough raw materials to India due to the Defense Production Act which is likely true, but I think any country should be cautious before giving its resources away. While the US is in a decent position right now, it can change rapidly as we all know. Add in variants and the likelihood that we will need boosters for the vaccine in the near future, it seems a bit hasty to short-change ourselves since we will likely need those raw materials as well.

It's a bad situation all the way around because world leaders are left with it being a humanitarian crisis no matter how you frame it.
 
While I certainly agree it's the world's self-interest to help surging countries, I think countries need to put their own citizens first. There's criticism over the US not exporting enough raw materials to India due to the Defense Production Act which is likely true, but I think any country should be cautious before giving its resources away. While the US is in a decent position right now, it can change rapidly as we all know. Add in variants and the likelihood that we will need boosters for the vaccine in the near future, it seems a bit hasty to short-change ourselves since we will likely need those raw materials as well.

It's a bad situation all the way around because world leaders are left with it being a humanitarian crisis no matter how you frame it.
I agree with this as well. It's in countries' own interest to help other countries provided they have their own situations under control. Preventing the spread of Covid is the most important thing.

In an ideal world once the crisis was under control Bolsonaro and Modi would be put on trial for crimes against humanity but the US can't even punish Trump correctly so I'm not sure how much help they'd be. Our BoJo may not be in a position to point fingers, either.
 
Last edited:
The videos coming out of India are awful. Tents filling car parks trying to act as hospital rooms. Bodies being burnt in the streets by their hundreds. Record high death tallies, which even the officials recognise are grossly underestimated due to countless people dying before they can even be tested.

This is the stage of the pandemic I really hoped we’d never hit. These are the images that future children will be shown during the Covid-19 topic of history class.

In 20 years, kids won’t care that we had to wear masks, scan barcodes or socially distance. Anybody who really opposes these basic self defence measures should spend a couple hours watching footage out of India and question how much their “civil liberty” is really worth.
 
Today was our national holiday, King's day, and after weeks of decent enough weather for people in the big cities to drone together in the parks, it came as a massive surprise that on the day that everyone is getting drunk with nice weather, the parks once again filled up with thousands and thousands of people.

I'm predicting a week of apologising mayors and other useless politicians, followed by another massive spike in the infection rate.
 
We had similar scenes over the past week as temps hit the dizzying heights of 18C. Our cases have hovered around 400 a day for most of this month (or 81 per million), with only brief reprieves when schools shut for Easter holidays. On the plus side, we've probably given a 1st dose to a million people by now and we should get confirmation of that tomorrow evening.
 
Back