COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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I've seen the following story line so many times I now think it should become a statistic of its own. How often do front line professionals (doctors, nurses, etc.) with accepted proper gear become infected? IMHO, way too often. IMHO, we are up against a wily and determined enemy we do not fully understand.

WASHINGTON — A medical professional who conducted passenger screenings at Los Angeles International Airport tested positive for the coronavirus late Tuesday , according to the Department of Homeland Security and an internal email obtained by NBC News.

The person last worked screening air travelers for illness on Feb. 21, DHS said in a statement, which also said the medical professional had worn the proper protective gear while working. The internal email described the person as a "contract medical screener" for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...x-airport-tests-positive-coronavirus-n1149986


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In other recent news and questions:

BFM TV: Health authorities say 73 new cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in France on Wednesday (2020-03-04), bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 285
https://www.bfmtv.com/sante/coronav...n-en-france-73-de-plus-que-mardi-1869237.html

SCMP reports: 36-year-old man died in Wuhan from respiratory failure, days after being discharged from a hospital
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...ered-patient-dies-china-reports-139-new-cases

Attacks the central nervous system?
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-...-central-nervous-system-OBFZSvrn2g/index.html

Irreversible lung damage?
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

https://web.archive.org/web/20200305064553/https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml
 
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I've seen the following story line so many times I now think it should become a statistic of its own. How often do front line professionals (doctors, nurses, etc.) with accepted proper gear become infected?

Personal Protective Equipment only works if you use it correctly. Most medical professionals know how to use it but are often in a rush or have a million other things on their mind and just forget. You also need to know how to remove it correctly and dispose of it in the proper place. When you're a nurse taking care of 6 or 7 patients, you might not have the time to remember to do this.
 
Personal Protective Equipment only works if you use it correctly. Most medical professionals know how to use it but are often in a rush or have a million other things on their mind and just forget. You also need to know how to remove it correctly and dispose of it in the proper place. When you're a nurse taking care of 6 or 7 patients, you might not have the time to remember to do this.
That brings up an interesting question:

What is the PPE for dealing with coronavirus patients?
 
These figures lack nuance though. What were the ages and health of these deaths? As far as I know not more then 0.2-0.4 % of deaths are below 50 years old. The demographic that has the most risk is 70 and up 8-15%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

I'm not sure, was copy/pasting off the BBC Live thread which doesn't give anymore information.

UK preparing for 'significant' spread of virus
Officials are speeding up preparations for the next stage of dealing with the outbreak, a spokesman for UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said.
He spoke after Mr Johnson was updated on the coronavirus situation by England's chief medical officer and chief scientific adviser.
"We will continue to try to contain this virus," the PM's spokesman said. "However, it's now highly likely that the virus is going to spread in a significant way.
"Officials will therefore accelerate work on preparations for the 'delay' phase of the government's plan, focusing on steps we can take to seek to delay the spread of the virus.
"This will include detailed work on the optimum time to introduce further measures."

This worries me though, as I can see that a reduction of public transportation being an easy way to 'delay' the spread...
 
@HenrySwanson PPE for handling coronavirus patients would include a properly fitting N95 face mask, gloves, goggles and preferably a hazmat-like suit with full body coverage. But as has been said here already, it is also how well other procedures (like decontamination, disposal etc.) are followed too. Sadly, even with the best protection possible, healthcare workers in the front line cannot be guaranteed total protection from the virus.

These figures lack nuance though. What were the ages and health of these deaths? As far as I know not more then 0.2-0.4 % of deaths are below 50 years old. The demographic that has the most risk is 70 and up 8-15%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Less that 0.5% CFR for under 50s but up to ca. 15% for over 80s...

However, as others have pointed out here, the CFR % is only applicable to confirmed cases, and hence that is not the % of people in that age group who will die from catching coronavirus, but is merely the % of people who have died after being diagnosed with coronavirus.

There is likely to be a large proportion of people who get the virus but are never diagnosed, and thus the chances of dying from coronavirus infection are going to be somewhat lower than the numbers cited above, possibly by as much as an order of magnitude.
 

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@HenrySwanson PPE for handling coronavirus patients would include a properly fitting N95 face mask, gloves, goggles and preferably a hazmat-like suit with full body coverage. But as has been said here already, it is also how well other procedures (like decontamination, disposal etc.) are followed too. Sadly, even with the best protection possible, healthcare workers in the front line cannot be guaranteed total protection from the virus.


Less that 0.5% CFR for under 50s but up to ca. 15% for over 80s...

However, as others have pointed out here, the CFR % is only applicable to confirmed cases, and hence that is not the % of people in that age group who will die from catching coronavirus, but is merely the % of people who have died after being diagnosed with coronavirus.

There is likely to be a large proportion of people who get the virus but are never diagnosed, and thus the chances of dying from coronavirus infection are going to be somewhat lower than the numbers cited above, possibly by as much as an order of magnitude.


and if my magic...

First person dies of virus in Britain
The first person has died in the UK from coronavirus.
An older patient with underlying health issues died after testing positive for the virus, the Royal Berkshire NHS Trust said.


I don't know why it keeps splitting up the quote code like that, I manually change it and it just keeps going back
 
@HenrySwanson PPE for handling coronavirus patients would include a properly fitting N95 face mask, gloves, goggles and preferably a hazmat-like suit with full body coverage. But as has been said here already, it is also how well other procedures (like decontamination, disposal etc.) are followed too. Sadly, even with the best protection possible, healthcare workers in the front line cannot be guaranteed total protection from the virus.


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A bit old now, but the CFR %s are still roughly the same...

Less that 0.5% CFR for under 50s but up to ca. 15% for over 80s...

However, as others have pointed out here, the CFR % is only applicable to confirmed cases, and hence that is not the % of people in that age group who will die from catching coronavirus, but is merely the % of people who have died after being diagnosed with coronavirus.

There is likely to be a large proportion of people who get the virus but are never diagnosed, and thus the chances of dying from coronavirus infection are going to be somewhat lower than the numbers cited above, possibly by as much as an order of magnitude.

I guess a Flue pandemic is less interesting for the media then COVID-19 or CORONA virus.

Influenza can also potentially be deadly as many pointed out, with at least 80% of the victims only having mild or less symptoms, it still is just a highly contagious Flue.

People should still be carefull, but not zombie or ebolavirus like paranoid.
 
I guess a Flue pandemic is less interesting for the media then COVID-19 or CORONA virus.

I think it needs mentioning again, that the real problem I don't think is the number or % of deaths, but the impact this will and having on peoples freedom to move about. School mass closures mean that (potentially millions of) parents wont be able to work, a reduction of public transportation would also limit huge numbers of people getting into work.

I know from looking after my own team, trying to manage that and work/live around those things happening will be highly problematic
 
I guess a Flue pandemic is less interesting for the media then COVID-19 or CORONA virus.
Not really... the media make a pretty big fuss about flu epidemics too, it's just that there hasn't been a very high severity flu pandemic for quite some time... but there easily could be.

Indeed, one of the dangers posed by this outbreak/pandemic is that it could make what might have been an otherwise mild flu season a much bigger problem in the future esp. if SARS-CoV-2 causes permanent damage to people's lungs. This new virus and all of the variants it may spawn in the future (indeed, it already has mutated into two distinct forms) will probably not mix well with endemic flu strains.
 
That brings up an interesting question:

What is the PPE for dealing with coronavirus patients?

Per the guidelines I've seen from the CDC, it involves standard, airborne, and contact precautions. This means gloves, N95 mask, isolation gown, and eye production like a face shield or goggles. Also, anyone entering and exiting the room should follow a hand hygiene procedure that varies from hospital to hospital. The most common one though is using alcohol-based hand sanitizer unless your hands are visibly soiled, if that's the case you'll need to wash with soap and water for at least 30 seconds.

As for the patient, they need to be in a negative air pressure room and if a double occupant room, both need to have tested positive for the same strain of COVID-19. All non-essential staff needs to stay out of the room and only immediate family members are allowed barring they follow the same standard, airborne, and contact precautions. Some health systems might ban all visitors.

It's similar to how patients with TB are treated (the disease not the moderator).
 
My Wife's company just sent out a letter that effective tomorrow, any one who has access to WFH is expected to do so until March 13th. I'd be like, heck yeah!
 
Some reporters deserve a slap - but Klopp's response was far better than that.

You know the reason they are asking though, right? The Premier League has refused to confirm that the current league leaders will be declared Champions if the season is curtailed. Frankly, I think that stinks. But hopefully Liverpool can seal the championship prior to any possible shutdown of the league.
 
You know the reason they are asking though, right? The Premier League has refused to confirm that the current league leaders will be declared Champions if the season is curtailed. Frankly, I think that stinks. But hopefully Liverpool can seal the championship prior to any possible shutdown of the league.

It seems that the current discussion are about matches continuing behind closed doors, presumably all televised.
 
TV would love this...
Don't think anyone can oppose that 'Pool have been dominant and are undoubted champions(not unbeaten though) this season albeit very much of it being due to all other teams being dire.
 
I don’t think the issue is the number of people dying...
I agree. The number or percentage of deaths is well down the list of important things to think about just now.
You think the real concern is shut down of transportation. I think the real concern is overwhelming of health care infrastructure. Also, the cumulative impact of global slowdown of economic activity is of major, major concern.

You there in Europe are very , very lucky in that you have serviceable testing ability. In the US we have lost a full 6 weeks due to test kits lacking in both quality and quantity. We will pay a heavy price for that.
 
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You there in Europe are very , very lucky in that you have serviceable testing ability. In the US we have lost a full 6 weeks due to test kits lacking in both quality and quantity. We will pay a heavy price for that.

We have test kits here and they're exactly the same as the ones in Europe. If I need a CoV-19 test right now, I can go to where I work and get the test. All of it is being paid for by the state too so no one will end up having a bill, at least not this year anyway, so no one is going to go broke getting tested.
 
We have test kits here and they're exactly the same as the ones in Europe. If I need a CoV-19 test right now, I can go to where I work and get the test. All of it is being paid for by the state too so no one will end up having a bill, at least not this year anyway, so no one is going to go broke getting tested.
It's the same in Michigan as well.
 
@Joey D
@Rallywagon

It's good to know you did not have to rely on the CDC test kits, and do have European kits on hand. I believe that only a few hundred of the CDC kits were used in the previous weeks due to unreliability and unavailability.
Doctors are bracing for a rapid rise in U.S. coronavirus cases this week as state and local public health labs ramp up testing after weeks of delays due to a flawed test by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The number of confirmed U.S. cases topped 100 Tuesday, including nine deaths in Washington.

A Seattle-area researcher said his genetic analysis shows the virus probably circulated undetected in the state for six weeks. That means more people in the community, even those who have not traveled to endemic regions, might face risk of exposure.

The CDC initially developed and mailed testing kits with three components, or reagents, to detect the COVID-19 virus. Some states had trouble validating one of three components in the kits. Friday, a CDC official said the agency reviewed the glitch and determined using two components accurately will detect coronavirus.

CDC officials said all state and local public health labs and qualified private labs should be able to test by the end of this week. The agency relaxed its strict testing guidelines.

US schools are in a 'state of alert' amid coronavirus outbreak

The combination of functioning testing kits and robust testing capacity at state and local labs should give public health officials and doctors this week a better idea on the scope of the virus' spread in the USA and focus how to marshal limited resources.

Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, said the testing glitch "left the United States without adequate testing capacity longer than it should have."

high school student with flu-like symptoms who had not traveled but became ill with coronavirus. The student stayed home from school and sought medical care before returning to school Friday because he felt better. Later that day, he learned tests from earlier that week revealed coronavirus.

Coronavirus live updates: Seattle-area school district closes for 14 days Actually, no, COVID-19 tests don’t cost more than $3,000. Can't find hand sanitizer? Here's how to make your own
Former CDC Director Tom Frieden agreed the priority is to get tests to communities and detect the virus and prevent its spread.

"There’s clearly been a glitch in that process with a problem with some of the tests," said Frieden, who heads a group called Resolve to Save Lives. "The point now is to get the test kits and test capacity out as widely as possible."

He said it's important that the federal government reviews the delayed test kit rollout to address any problems.

"I think it will be important when things quiet down (and) there is time, to have an after-action review and see what went wrong and see how that can be prevented in the future," he said.

'Beginning stages of a pandemic'
Robert Murphy, executive director of the Institute for Global Health at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, said federal health officials should have tested more aggressively to better track cases. By detecting cases through more widespread testing, they could have slowed community spread.

"The opportunity was missed," Murphy said. "There were delays, and now there are going to be more cases."

Johns Hopkins' coronavirus tracker.

The new coronavirus could become a pandemic:What is that? Should I be worried?

Adalja said more robust testing will reveal more cases and will give scientists a better idea about the severity of the outbreak. More cases, particularly mild cases, might unmask the virus as far less lethal than feared and allow the public to "breathe a sigh of relief," he said.

"That will decrease the angst some people have over the severity of what's going to happen," Adalja said. "We're in the beginning stages of a pandemic. So it's coming. It's really important we right-size the response by knowing what the true severity is."

He suggested more testing might inform public health officials how to respond. That might include investing more on testing and ensuring hospitals are prepared, while spending less on labor-intensive measures such as tracing the contacts of infected individuals and monitoring travel restrictions.

Members of Congress seek answers about the nation's testing capacity and delays in getting working kits to public health labs.

Rep Mark Pocan, D-Wis., sent a letter Monday to the CDC raising questions about the agency's response and how it publicly discloses testing cases.

'This is not sustainable':Public health departments, decimated by funding cuts, scramble against coronavirus

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...dc-testing-kits-slowed-us-results/4930932002/
 
"Come on you guys-uh, the situation is bad and looking at it rationally isn't helping at all."
 
3 people in Montgomery county, Maryland have contracted the virus.

I won't be surprised if it makes it way into D.C. too...
 
An older woman is waiting for test results, a couple suburbs from where I live(Newcastle).
 
On the one hand;

Three Flybe flights I had booked no longer exist

On the other;

So many people are cancelling flights that it's possible to get a £30 flight on BA at a week's notice.

Please don't cancel any more, I really miss my cat, and honestly at this point I'm fairly sure the quite brutal cold everyone in my building had about two/three weeks back was coronavirus and I shook it off, only needed two days rest.

Can't confirm anything of course but we do have a fair deal of Chinese/Vietnamese in the building and people travelling all over. Wouldn't be surprised to learn I've already had it, since a building full of students is unlikely to produce a case that'd require hospital level treatment.

Chiefly everyone please hold off panicking for a few days so I can get home?
 
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