COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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VolkswagenX
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@Danoff,
Now you're being chilldish. That image is obvious satire.
Now you're being chilldish. That image is obvious satire.
You're either pretending to be stupid or you've only red the headline. But that image (OBVIOUS SATIRE) does not prove a thing. I will ask again and I hope you can answer without using common tropes spouted by vaccine pimps.
Who is saying this??
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Did you not ask this?
What does it matter if he was vaccinated or not? A common trope that anti-vaxxers or anti-COVID-vaxxers point to is vaccinated people dying or, at the very least, being infected. My point was that no vaccine is 100% effective and there will be breakthrough cases. Of those breakthrough cases, some people will die. So really it doesn't matter if he was vaccinated or not.
You're certain inferring that young, healthy people don't need the vaccine because they're the least affected:
But beyond that, it's another common trope among anti-vaxxers or anti-COVID-vaxxers that COVID doesn't affect the young and healthy. While you're only inferring it, there are plenty of people in the world who are saying that verbatim.
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In addition I think it's long past the time at which you need to read the first post and participate in this thread accordingly.
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Ah yes, anti-vaxxers. Well known for their nuanced and balanced takes on things.
The White House science adviser in 2020?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ung-healthy-people-have-fear-covid-19/616087/
“It doesn’t matter if younger, healthier people get infected,” (Scott) Atlas said in a July interview with San Diego’s KUSI news station. “I don’t know how often that has to be said. They have nearly zero risk of a problem from this … When younger, healthier people get infected, that’s a good thing.”
The fact that government FAQs (in Australia at least) and the like address this question directly is also a sign that this is a common sentiment amongst the community - particularly those looking for a reason not to get vaccinated.
https://www.health.gov.au/initiativ...fit-and-healthy-people-have-to-get-vaccinated
You wanna admit that you're wrong?
People who are vaccine hesitant have to come up with some justification even just for the sake of their own mental sanity, even cognitive dissonance usually has at least some veneer of logic. This is a relatively easy one that on the surface at least seems to be based on an observable fact - that young people are less likely to die from COVID. Unfortunately, they fail to reassess the risk based on this difference profile of outcomes, and seem to tend to just blanket assume that if you don't die you'll be fine. Which is clearly bonkers, losing a finger to a table saw isn't going to kill you but you might want to avoid it anyway.
There's a difference between sites like The Onion posting satirical stories and someone photoshopping/inspect-elementing a CNN article. It's not satire if it's intended to mislead people, and there's no reason to use the formatting and logos of a real news outlet unless the intent is to mislead. If someone has to Google to see if CNN really did post that article, it's not satire. Satire is self-evident from the media itself.
The idea that CNN would post something like that is odd, but not exactly impossible. The only massive giveaway is that the article doesn't start with "Florida woman Sheila Johnson...".
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It's a non-answer though. You just said you thought someone's vaccination status mattered on GTP. In the context of this discussion, it doesn't matter what their vaccination status was because nowhere has it ever been stated that the vaccines are 100% effective against getting sick, ending up in the hospital, or dying, only that they greatly reduce your chances for this to happen.
Maybe it's a language thing, but inferring that young and healthy people don't need the vaccine because they're the least affected is no different than saying COVID doesn't affect the young and healthy.
And maybe it's a European thing, or rather a Dutch thing, but perhaps the biggest argument against the vaccine after "it hasn't been tested enough" in the US is "if I can still get COVID while vaccinated, why should I get vaccinated at all?"
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Yes, it's obvious, with a political point - a point which was conveyed when you posted it. I answered your question, you were saying it.
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Have you re-read the first post?
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A yes, vaccine pimps. Well known for their nuanced and balanced takes on things.
I'm sorry for if my answer is not to your satisfaction. But it's my answer and you can take it or leave it.
It's not a language thing and saying young and heathy people don't need the vaccine is verry different from saying that COVID doesn't affect the young and healthy. COVID affects everybody. < thats me saying it.
Not my arguments.
Yes. What rule have I broken??
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They why doesn't everyone need the vaccine?
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If COVID affects everyone, why would the young and healthy not need the vaccine? If a disease can affect you, you should take measures to reduce your risk of infection.
Great? I'm speaking in general here that it's a common trope among anti-vaxxers and anti-COVID-vaxxers.
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Your circular logic certainly is.
The answer is literally in your screenshot. Posts that promote misinformation or contain misleading or unverifiable claims...Yes. What rule have I broken??
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Then what do you mean by "need"? Nobody "needs" the vaccine, because they can all just take their chances. If you were playing roulette and you were on the last chamber, knowing that the bullet had to be in it, you still wouldn't "need" to stop playing, it's possible that a misfire would occur. But of course it would be stupid to keep playing, because you're highly likely to kill yourself.
Young, healthy people should get the vaccine because, as you say, covid affects everybody. But beyond that, because they can spread it and, again, it affects everybody.
So what's your point here?
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What kind of misinformation am I promoting here? Who am I misleading? Unverifiable claims? Or are we talking about the wrong opinions here? Why not just ad..
To the first post?
Already answered that. Multiple times.. Stop asking the same thing over and over till you get an aswer that satisfies you.
I'm blocked from replying to this thread. I'm not able to reply further.
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Danoff
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What's your point here [in light of what I just posted showing that your statements were horribly misguided]?
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Posting edited CNN articles certainly comes across as misinformation and misleading. Posted under the guise of "satire" doesn't work when the news outlet is intentionally left in to further the intent.
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Thanks for openly admitting you're just trolling.
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Where is the "opinion" in "opinions that don't fall in line with the mainstream virus narrative" when it gets disproven by a peer-reviewed study, medical-released charts/graphs displaying patient demographics, or simple scientific data? Or even basic common sense by a drug-manufacturer saying, "Hey, don't actually take our products for this virus."
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Seriously though, this is the first time I've heard the term "vaccine pimp". Do I have to give a backhanded slap to the syringe or something? Even doing a Google search on it comes up with nothing. I mean I'm OK if that term takes hold because there are far worse things I can be called, and honestly have been called since the start of the pandemic.
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I thought you did.
Isn't this the narrative that you and others have been pushing that if you're young and "fit" that you don't have anything to be scared of from getting Covid?
I have no idea if the young man was vaccinated or not. It was left out of the story.
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Contrary to my hopes and expectations dating from last year, I notice that the coronavirus pandemic does not seem to be particularly diminishing or going away at the present time. I pointed out to my cousin Karl that variants seem to be coming along which are more infectious. But he summarily brushed aside my concerns, asserting that while they may be more infectious, they are less dangerous in terms of resulting in death. Is he correct?
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No.
How 'deadly' or 'dangerous' a virus is depends on numerous factors. A new variant of SARS-CoV-2 might not be any more or less likely to kill someone once they are infected, but by virtue of being more transmissible, it infects more people and therefore is 'more deadly' insomuch as it will kill more people, even if the case-fatality ratio (CFR) stays the same. Delta variant is both more transmissible and more likely to result in severe illness (and hence death), so it is alot more dangerous than the wildtype virus. There is a common myth about viruses becoming more transmissible because they are less deadly - that's not always true, even if it might 'make sense' to some extent, but there's nothing that says a virus can't mutate into both a more transmissible and more lethal form in principle, and I reckon we are witnessing exactly that in practice. Thankfully, vaccination provides a proven and credible defence against not only all current variants, but very likely most or even all future variants too.
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