COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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Thanks for sharing Crunch! :boggled:

It's odd how Costco has become symbolic of this health crisis. I never hear about other warehouse stores or supermarket chains ... it's always "Costco". Is this good advertising for them, or are they forever going to be associated with coronavirus?

Sam's Club is the other big warehouse type store and I went there tonight after work first to get gas as my low fuel light just came on this morning. Luckily I was able to fill up and there wasn't any long lines waiting for gas. I thought if possible I might try to go inside the store just to see what their water situation was. That was quickly ended as their parking lot was completely full.

Thursday is always my grocery day so I went ahead to Publix expecting the worse and their parking lot was not quite full but a heck of a lot more cars than on a normal day. But when I got inside I was able to get everything I needed.
 
Thanks for sharing Crunch! :boggled:

It's odd how Costco has become symbolic of this health crisis. I never hear about other warehouse stores or supermarket chains ... it's always "Costco". Is this good advertising for them, or are they forever going to be associated with coronavirus?
Costco :lol: That is what our local news (abc13) showed.
Kroger was trending on twitter today. Same empty shelf pictures as Costco.

I'm going to avoid going to the grocery store for a few days. This will pass.
 
French President Macron says schools and universities across the country will be closed from Monday
And it is not allowed anymore to visit elders in care-centers.
Following his message, all major driv'in shopping supermarket website crashed under load.
Some doctors ring the alarm bell following a surge of very serious cases in hospital, including some young and without preexisting condition patients.

And yet, this Sunday, every adult in France is supposed to go to put a ballot in an enveloppe to elect their mayor. :nervous:

The government plan to allow up to 12 million connexions to the remote teaching platform.
Few hours ago, Cloudflare, a widely used caching infrastructure (GTPlanet and K' both use it) sent an email:
"we are tracking Internet usage patterns globally. As more people work from home, peak traffic in impacted regions has increased, on average, approximately 10%. In Italy, which has imposed a nationwide quarantine, peak Internet traffic is up 30%."

Guess my underwear is going to be a little dingy until this thing is over.
I miss an "unread" feature. :lol:
 
13 hospitals in Noord-Brabant (NL) the Province where I live, had to decide to stop testing their own staff due to a lack of testing material and shortage of staff. More regional actions/measures to be expected over the weekend. But schools stay open and it is not allowed -as in against the law- to keep your kid at home without any symptoms. Who will check that? Uuuh no capacity so nobody. Welcome to NL :)

And what do you think we all do when your MP says there is no need - he repeats NO NEED - to buy any extra groceries. Yep we all run to the nearest store.
 
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Yeah, just cancel the world and stop everything. Life was soo much better last month, I really do miss it. All I hear is coronavirus; you can't escape the constant news and reports about it. People have literally gone mad and I just wish it wasn't the case. It seems like they're preparing for doomsday - the stuff going in the supermarkets and the insane panic buying is out of control. The economy is probably going to collapse as soo much of the world relies on China for it's survival. This is why globalization sucks. I'm not in fear but I'm sick of the media beat-up making it sound worse than what is. This only makes the situation worse, causing mass hysteria and paranoia like nothing else I've ever seen in my life. STOP PANICKING.
 
The virgin "tyrannic, communist China locking innocent people down" vs The Chad "democratic Italy risking its economy to protect its people and Europe".

I looove these standards of coverage.
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As of today, all international travel into Slovakia by aeroplane, railway and bus is prohibited. We found out yesterday afternoon that this was taking effect.

Someone (a random fellow Welsh guy on holiday) approached me on Twitter yesterday evening if it was still possible to get to Vienna airport by Saturday. I told him that all buses and Regiojet railway services had already been stopped but that trains by ZSSK might still be running for the rest of the day and recommended he catch one immediately, as they were fulfilling their obligations for the rest of that day (Thursday) before international services were withdrawn. This was at 9pm and the last train left at 11pm. There is no train to Vienna airport but he'd at least get into Austria, then be on his own.

This was like The Spy Who Came In From The Cold. Proper 1960s human trafficking from Czechoslovakia into the West. The Iron Curtain is alive and well.
 
While the precautions all of the countries taken can be seen as overblown (my synagogue canceled services for the first time ever), I'd rather have there be something done, than have nothing done at all and people pretending this is nothing at all.
 
This morning cases in Michigan have jumped from 2 to 12. Last night Gov. Whitmer made the decision to close all k-12 schools throughout the state starting Monday and tentatively returning April 7th.
 
It will bounce back. The world is in lockdown for a while. That's not panicking, just smart.
Not only is it smart, it's realistic. At the best of times, we can afford to live in a consensual delusion. Right now, we cannot.
 
This is a scenario where the government at some level needs to pick up the tab.

Agreed. Government needs to foot the bill for testing. Anything that prevents a sick person from getting tested increases the spread rate of the disease.

So there is to be a charge, it's just that you don't think you should be the one that pays it.

It will bounce back. The world is in lockdown for a while. That's not panicking, just smart.

While the precautions all of the countries taken can be seen as overblown (my synagogue canceled services for the first time ever), I'd rather have there be something done, than have nothing done at all and people pretending this is nothing at all.

Not only is it smart, it's realistic. At the best of times, we can afford to live in a consensual delusion. Right now, we cannot.

To put it bluntly, **** just got real.

Doing nothing can be better than doing something, but it is a false dichotomy.

I understand that many of you are scared, and you sound scared on this forum. I want to provide you with a reality check for a moment.

You're probably going to get coronavirus.

This is an illness that does not kill most of the people that get it. By illness standards, it is no bubonic plague, smallpox, or polio. Most people have mild symptoms and recover. You know your body pretty well, and you know whether or not you have underlying issues or other factors that should make you take extreme precautions to avoid contracting this disease, and it will take extreme precautions if you need to avoid contracting it. Be realistic about whether or not that's you.

You're probably not going to be hospitalized by this. Again, you know your body and whether you have underlying issues that could cause hospitalization. And you should take extreme precautions if you need to avoid contracting it because you'll be hospitalized. For most of you, that is not the case. Most of you will handle this one in bed at home.

What we are doing right now is not smart. It's stupid. It's literally the easiest, dumbest thing we can think of to combat the disease. A 4-year old can come up with the plan that people should just not have contact with each other to avoid getting it. That's not hard to do. The only thing stupider than the kind of lockdown that we're doing is to do absolutely nothing, not take it seriously, and let our seniors and other vulnerable members of our society die in triage.

There are other options of course. We should be focusing on quarantining the vulnerable. We should be more efficiently expanding our healthcare bandwidth. We should be enabling people rather than disabling them.

As a result of our lack of creativity and forward thinking, some of you will probably lose your jobs. Many of you will need to stress about savings that you had already thought you took care of. As a result of our uninspired lack of problem solving, many of you will panic buy, or wonder whether you can get the needed supplies when you get sick - because everyone is going to stock up for months at home in isolation, unnecessarily.

You're not as likely to see the financial carnage. It's going to be harder to see the increased taxes, the lost wages, the products that never made it to market, the businesses that collapsed. But they're real, and they're going to have a bigger impact on most of you than a few days in bed would have.

Denver Public schools closed yesterday. That's going to cost some people their jobs.
 
I want to provide you with a reality check for a moment.

You're probably going to get coronavirus.
I'm actually not that convinced that this will happen. I've seen some places chuck around 60% infected figures for reasons I don't follow (it'd take two weeks of unhindered spread for a virus with an R0 of 3.5 to infect 60% of a population, if we assume the viral load replicates sufficiently to become infectious but not symptomatic within 24h), but - unless we assume China is lying by two orders of magnitude, and suppressing testing to suppress numbers - even in Wuhan, the number is 0.5%. That's still the largest rate in the world - in Italy right now, the percentage of people infected is 0.025%. Spain is starting to spike, at 0.01%. Iran, in third place of highest total cases, is at 0.012%, and they'd all have to be suppressing numbers even more.

China saw new cases slowly increase over a fortnight, then jump to almost ten times the rate over a week, followed by a week in which it doubling. For three weeks it remained at that level - with some variation - before new cases started to decline back to a handful.

The ROW figures started to rise as the China cases started to fall. We've seen them slowly increase over a fortnight, then jump to almost ten times the rate over a week, then double over another week, and it's been pretty stable at 4k new cases a day for just about a week and a half now. While it seems to be at a peak, we can't safely say that'll last until next weekend then start to fall just because it did in China - China's approach may differ from other people's - but the pattern is pretty similar thus far. I need to check into active case numbers (ongoing, not resolved by death or recovery), but I recall the rate is either close to or equal to the new infections rate at the moment.


Even accounting for unknowingly infected and never tested (mild symptoms) of two-thirds or more of the actual infected count, we're still only seeing tiny proportions of populations becoming infected.
 
I am already preparing for the fact that I will get the coronavirus so I am thankful that I am in a position where I have a contingency plan. As of Wednesday, despite being a contractor, the office I was reporting to has an expected closing date of 3/31 (as opposed to 4/30) and my boss who doesn't like WFH options, has now allowed it. As I type, I am also on my office computer and available to perform all tasks required. Although I was told this is temporary, this may be my set up til the end of my contract and I will make a point of mentioning this to my boss if she chooses to re-consider the policy.

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Small unrelated to life story update and one I was anticipating for a few days. The Masters has been postponed. Right now, that basically pushes all sporting events into April (apart from NASCAR and IndyCar, whom both have fan-less events through end of March). It is possible that if they flatten the virus curve, everything could start back up late April or early May. This would mean that only slight postponements would be needed for the Kentucky Derby, the NFL Draft and the Indy 500.
 
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I'm actually not that convinced that this will happen. I've seen some places chuck around 60% infected figures for reasons I don't follow (it'd take two weeks of unhindered spread for a virus with an R0 of 3.5 to infect 60% of a population, if we assume the viral load replicates sufficiently to become infectious but not symptomatic within 24h), but - unless we assume China is lying by two orders of magnitude, and suppressing testing to suppress numbers - even in Wuhan, the number is 0.5%. That's still the largest rate in the world - in Italy right now, the percentage of people infected is 0.025%. Spain is starting to spike, at 0.01%. Iran, in third place of highest total cases, is at 0.012%, and they'd all have to be suppressing numbers even more.

China saw new cases slowly increase over a fortnight, then jump to almost ten times the rate over a week, followed by a week in which it doubling. For three weeks it remained at that level - with some variation - before new cases started to decline back to a handful.

The ROW figures started to rise as the China cases started to fall. We've seen them slowly increase over a fortnight, then jump to almost ten times the rate over a week, then double over another week, and it's been pretty stable at 4k new cases a day for just about a week and a half now. While it seems to be at a peak, we can't safely say that'll last until next weekend then start to fall just because it did in China - China's approach may differ from other people's - but the pattern is pretty similar thus far. I need to check into active case numbers (ongoing, not resolved by death or recovery), but I recall the rate is either close to or equal to the new infections rate at the moment.


Even accounting for unknowingly infected and never tested (mild symptoms) of two-thirds or more of the actual infected count, we're still only seeing tiny proportions of populations becoming infected.

Well you would know better than I do. I see the 60-70% figures and (probably incorrectly) assume that people know what they're talking about. It seems difficult to base spread on China, or even Italy, because the US (and many nations like the US) are simply not capable of the level of control exercised in China, and for the US, not even Italy.

I'm also assuming no vaccine before the end of the year and a resurgence in the fall.
 
Doing nothing can be better than doing something, but it is a false dichotomy.

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As a home owner with a mortgage and a small business owner (5 employees, established in 2014, vulnerable) I absolutely agree we should not lose our minds over this.

Having said that, the financial carnage happening now is not only because we stay at home for a few weeks. It's because our economical system is built on a growth and a need for liquidity that quite frankly is insane. Is it sustainable?

The thing about shutting down is not to avoid everyone to have Coronavirus. The reason for shutting down is to spread it out, so that you don't end up with a massive amount of people infected at the same time because they can only treat so many at the same time.

The mortality rate will go down over time, one of the reasons being that we are spreading the infections out an therefore we can treat more of the cases that need treatment.

The point you had the other day about what the end game is; as few deaths as possible or total damage including economical is a good point, absolutely.

Of course there will be an economical cost, not just instantly, the ramifications will be huge. That is to be expected.

many of you will panic buy

And many are panic selling. Instead of holding their positions. Because like I say, it will bounce back. For say an airline listed on a stock exchange, the worst thing is not airlines on the ground not earning money. It's the classic run-on-the-bank when the stock plunges causing a liquidity crisis for said airline that is potentially lethal for the company.
 
I wonder what the breakdown is on that 32,771 tests between 'been in contact with known infected', 'potentially visited an area outside the UK with high level of known cases' and 'showing some signs of symptoms'.
 
The thing about shutting down is not to avoid everyone to have Coronavirus. The reason for shutting down is to spread it out, so that you don't end up with a massive amount of people infected at the same time because they can only treat so many at the same time.

Yes... I know. This has been repeated about a thousand times. And, as I keep saying, there is a portion of the population that is disproportionately represented at hospitals that need to be "treated at the same time". This portion of the population is the portion that needs to be spread out. The rest of us need to move on and keep working and going to school.
 
Well you would know better than I do. I see the 60-70% figures and (probably incorrectly) assume that people know what they're talking about. It seems difficult to base spread on China, or even Italy, because the US (and many nations like the US) are simply not capable of the level of control exercised in China, and for the US, not even Italy.

I'm also assuming no vaccine before the end of the year and a resurgence in the fall.
Yes, the US reaction has been weird so far. If Trump has actually ordered a reduction in (or limitation on) testing to keep the numbers looking low, that's insane, and possibly criminally so.
 
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