COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)

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So there's a lot of discussion about this in the airline community. There are at least two regional airlines which have suspended training - one partially as a result of existing plans to shut down anyway, but because of the slowdown they requested their trainees to resign partway through training.

I guess it's a good time to be unemployed...as long as travel ramps back up within a couple months I should be good but it would be just my luck to train during a historic pilot shortage, get delayed for various reasons, and then apply during a historic economic crash. Wonderful. There are hundreds of young pilots in a similar situation too.
 
Rallywagon
Ok, one question I have on the numbers regarding the age groups and the effects on them. The group 60 and over are at greatest risk. But, the 30 to 50 group, without treatment, how much likely are they to survive?
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I'm not sure if you were asking me, I guessing not since you didn't quote, but I just want to clarify that I'm not advocating doing nothing. I'm concerned, but not worried. At least not yet.

As for your question, unfortunately I don't know either. I agree with your point that people should take their local situation into account when making decisions though.
 
...38 confirmed cases in South Africa, but not sure what to make of it - all of the patients have been abroad either in Europe or in the States. No "community transmission" cases so far.
 
Ok. The farmacy closed at 14h so I couldn't pick up the hand sanitizer. Tomorrow is closed and on Monday only opens at 8h so, because I leave my flat at 6am I'll only pick it up at the end of the day, almost 1 week after trying to buy some.

ALDI had no bread, no rice, no pasta, no tuna, no beans and no canned veggies, almost no fruit, and, of course, no toilet paper.
 
Rallywagon
only thebold are effected
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Well, fortune does favor them. It's about time they got knocked down a peg.

:)

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So my neighbor with the nephew studying in South Korea came to me with an update. There apparently had been a development wherein the school (the demand that he return was coming from them, it turns out) would permit him to stay, because he'd made it clear that returning would be a huge hassle due to his living situation over there, but he wouldn't get any of the credits for the year and he wouldn't be refunded anything he paid into the program for the year; the clear aim was to punish him for wanting to stay. He was beside himself, understandably. Then, seemingly out of the blue, the chancellor reached out to him (the nephew) and informed him that he not only isn't required to return, but that there would be no penalty should he choose to stay...as though none of this happened. The suspicion is there was an overly zealous administrator behind these headaches.
 
Keef
So there's a lot of discussion about this in the airline community. There are at least two regional airlines which have suspended training - one partially as a result of existing plans to shut down anyway, but because of the slowdown they requested their trainees to resign partway through training.

I guess it's a good time to be unemployed...as long as travel ramps back up within a couple months I should be good but it would be just my luck to train during a historic pilot shortage, get delayed for various reasons, and then apply during a historic economic crash. Wonderful. There are hundreds of young pilots in a similar situation too.
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Get out of your parents basement, pull your socks up, getta job, stop whining.

Your welcome.

Boomers.

Seriously: timing is everything in life. Make sure you have good timing. Being born to the right parents is also a good idea.
 
So I get a call yesterday afternoon saying we need to make this happen ASAP. Between myself, a co-worker, and two clinical analysts, we got this built and in place from an EMR side so these drive through testing sites could open today.

Drive-up coronavirus testing sites set up in Farmington, Salt Lake City and South Jordan

It's kind of cool to see the work you're doing actually benefit the community. While these sites could very well operate without EMRs, it makes it way easier to track the patients, get the tests ordered, and be sure the results are returned and communicated in a timely fashion.

I hope these drive through testing sites really take off too since it keeps people out of the waiting rooms and exposes fewer healthcare workers to exposure.
 
Keef
So there's a lot of discussion about this in the airline community. There are at least two regional airlines which have suspended training - one partially as a result of existing plans to shut down anyway, but because of the slowdown they requested their trainees to resign partway through training.

I guess it's a good time to be unemployed...as long as travel ramps back up within a couple months I should be good but it would be just my luck to train during a historic pilot shortage, get delayed for various reasons, and then apply during a historic economic crash. Wonderful. There are hundreds of young pilots in a similar situation too.
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Same thing here. I had six weeks till I was finished with my AMT program and had just about a guaranteed chance at getting hired on here near me, but now all hiring has stopped and all contractors are being let go. It just flooded the market and decreased my chances for the next 6-8 months...
 
dlshearon
Travel ban from U.K and Ireland to the US effective Monday.
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Not a silly decision, but there should definitely be some reciprocation. The USA has tested half the number of people that the UK has (16,540 vs 32,771 as of Friday) yet has twice the number of positive results (2,177 vs 1,143 at present). That suggests either that COVID-19 is present in the USA at four times the rate of the UK already, or the UK is testing people unnecessarily...
 
Joey D
So I get a call yesterday afternoon saying we need to make this happen ASAP. Between myself, a co-worker, and two clinical analysts, we got this built and in place from an EMR side so these drive through testing sites could open today.

Drive-up coronavirus testing sites set up in Farmington, Salt Lake City and South Jordan

It's kind of cool to see the work you're doing actually benefit the community. While these sites could very well operate without EMRs, it makes it way easier to track the patients, get the tests ordered, and be sure the results are returned and communicated in a timely fashion.

I hope these drive through testing sites really take off too since it keeps people out of the waiting rooms and exposes fewer healthcare workers to exposure.
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I really hate to say this, but it is very likely too late for testing to make much difference in the US... I fear that ship has sailed, and the US has missed it.

Thankfully, even Trump seems to have got the message that 'delay' tactics are now all that can be done to prevent a national calamity... the UK, on the other hand, have been a bit slow on this front and may have squandered the advantage we had gained by more early testing.

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My former boss (who is now Director of the virology centre at the University of Glasgow) is urging people to tell their 60+ friends and relatives to isolate now.
 
NLxAROSA
As a fellow Dutchie: Regardless of what the government says or does, I will evaluate over the weekend whether I'm sending my kids to school next week. I'll simply report them sick. It's also advised to keep your kids at home if the have a cold or flu-like symptoms, so no problems there. As long as enough people do this we should be fine. If they close schools they should also compensate or delay mortgage/rent like in Italy, so families that need two jobs to keep afloat (plenty of those around these times) won't go bankrupt because one has to stay home. And that's not even considering single parents. I am fortunate enough to be able to work remote so for me it's no biggie, but that's not the case for everyone.
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The netherlands is socialist, so employees will be paid regardless if they stay home or work home. In this phase no company doctor will do a checkup on employees anyway!

The employers however can only apply for delays of payment. Nobody is going to pay for my 60-100% revenue loss, but myself. I am looking at 50-100k loss here. And the only thing I can do is apply for delays in payment of my bills and tax.
 
Touring Mars
Looks like my Dad and his mate got out of Spain just in time...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51888936
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To recap: my wife & daughter were scheduled to fly from Toronto to Amsterdam today. They were to spend 2 weeks in the Netherlands looking at universities & then fly to Spain & spend 3 weeks on holiday there. Over the last week this has changed to eliminating the Spanish portion of the trip on the assumption that things in Spain might get out of hand causing trip delays or inconvenience ... to cancelling the whole trip. The steps to get there were excruciating. Many hours on the phone with KLM rescheduling (they eventually issued vouchers for all bookings) & even more hours on the phone with Booking.com & Air BnB.

Booking.com & Air BnB have not refunded our money, so we're out of pocket over $1,000, which seems wrong. It sucks for everyone, but travellers not able to travel should not be stuck picking up the tab IMO. The process by which this happened was illustrative of the way the whole crisis has unfolded. The hosts in the Netherlands were dismissive of the whole coronvirus thing & unwilling to refund money past the cancellation deadlines - pretty much reflecting the lackadaisical attitude of the Dutch authorities a week ago. In the meantime, travel to the Netherlands, like most other places in Europe, has become impossible.
 
Famine
Not a silly decision, but there should definitely be some reciprocation. The USA has tested half the number of people that the UK has (16,540 vs 32,771 as of Friday) yet has twice the number of positive results (2,177 vs 1,143 at present). That suggests either that COVID-19 is present in the USA at four times the rate of the UK already, or the UK is testing people unnecessarily...
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Or the US has 5 times the population and more than that in land mass and per capita is doing better at controlling the virus?
Not that I think either country is actually doing a fantastic job.
 
Swagger897
Same thing here. I had six weeks till I was finished with my AMT program and had just about a guaranteed chance at getting hired on here near me, but now all hiring has stopped and all contractors are being let go. It just flooded the market and decreased my chances for the next 6-8 months...
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dlshearon
Travel ban from U.K and Ireland to the US effective Monday.
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This point can be related to aviation too. For the most part, international pilots on busy routes like Europe are the most senior pilots. Because of union agreements, the senior pilots will be protected. When their routes are shut down it's unlikely they'll be furloughed - instead, at worst they'll be moved down to the regional airlines operating within the US (I only really understand the US system) which means the less senior pilots and trainees will all be furloughed. Seniority will cause a huge trickle-down effect which won't reverse until international flights are opened up again and travel demand increases. Depending on how long this slowdown lasts, it could exacerbate the pilot shortage/hiring problem because legal retirements of those senior pilots will continue no matter what.
 
Touring Mars
I really hate to say this, but it is very likely too late for testing to make much difference in the US... I fear that ship has sailed, and the US has missed it.

Thankfully, even Trump seems to have got the message that 'delay' tactics are now all that can be done to prevent a national calamity... the UK, on the other hand, have been a bit slow on this front and may have squandered the advantage we had gained by more early testing.

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My former boss (who is now Director of the virology centre at the University of Glasgow) is urging people to tell their 60+ friends and relatives to isolate now.
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Honestly I think that ship has sailed everywhere. Here in Switzerland not everybody who is showing symptoms is being tested, apparently it's only those that need significant medical help, or at least was. Now if my suspicions are true, and I have had the virus, then god knows how many other people I've infected before I even fell ill.
 
Rallywagon
Or the US has 5 times the population and more than that in land mass and per capita is doing better at controlling the virus?
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No - the population as a whole isn't actually relevant to these numbers.

Twice the number of positives from half the number of tests is four times the rate of infection. Unless the USA has a higher threshold for determining who gets tested than the UK, the USA's infected population would be 20 times higher than the UK's (five times the population at four times the rate of infection).


If the thresholds for testing are different then the UK is conducting tests that the USA considers unnecessary and its infected population is actually lower than results suggest. On the flip side, the USA would not be not conducting tests that the UK considers necessary, and its infected population could be actually higher than results suggest.

The UK has conducted roughly one test per 2,000 people. The USA has conducted roughly one test per 20,000.
 
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Touring Mars
I really hate to say this, but it is very likely too late for testing to make much difference in the US... I fear that ship has sailed, and the US has missed it.
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While it might be too late, I still think having people tested is worth it. At the very least, we will be able to get a better idea of the spread and use all the data to develop better plans going forward.
 
Famine
No - the population as a whole isn't actually relevant to these numbers.

Twice the number of positives from half the number of tests is four times the rate of infection. Unless the USA has a higher threshold for determining who gets tested than the UK, the USA's infected population would be 20 times higher than the UK's (five times the population at four times the rate of infection).


If the thresholds for testing are different then the UK is conducting tests that the USA considers unnecessary and its infected population is actually lower than results suggest. On the flip side, the USA would not be not conducting tests that the UK considers necessary, and its infected population could be actually higher than results suggest.

The UK has conducted roughly one test per 2,000 people. The USA has conducted roughly one test per 20,000.
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Are the conditions known though if those who are being tested are already sick and showing symptoms or simply random testing. It was to my knowledge that testing here in the US has been primarily done at healthcare facilities and hospitals which only points at patients who currently are sick.
 
PocketZeven
Yet? Or they already stated they arent refunding?
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Most third party booking sites won't offer refunds at all unless you pitch a fit at them. That's why booking accommodations directly if possible is always better, even if it costs a bit more.
 
The Iditarod takes a turn due to the virus. A checkpoint has been moved from the village to a frozen river

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Galena — Iditarod race judge Karen Ramstead found herself in an unenviable position at the checkpoint here on Friday. She had to alert mushers that the checkpoint in the coastal town of Shaktoolik — about 200 away — would be shut down in the interest of public health.

...the checkpoint in Nulato, the next stop on the trail, had also been moved outside of town, to a nearby river. Mushers can expect veterinarians and supplies, but “nowhere inside to sleep” and no access to the village, the sign said.
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EngieDiesel
Most third party booking sites won't offer refunds at all unless you pitch a fit at them. That's why booking accommodations directly if possible is always better, even if it costs a bit more.
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In the case of Booking.com & Air BnB the advance payments go to the hosts & the agencies get a percentage (I assume). The cancellation terms are set by the host. The lead up to the present situation has been so gradual that it was hard to know what to do. At the time my wife made the cancellations it was past the cancellation deadlines, but before the travel ban situation really hit the fan. By the time my wife would have been actually staying at these places it's now clear that those stays would be pretty much impossible, if not totally banned.

I think any normal hotel would simply allow the cancellation with no charge under the circumstances. At this point Booking.com & AirBnB are not doing that. This seems to undermine the credibility of their business model IMO.
 
Swagger897
Are the conditions known though if those who are being tested are already sick and showing symptoms or simply random testing. It was to my knowledge that testing here in the US has been primarily done at healthcare facilities and hospitals which only points at patients who currently are sick.
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I was kind of wondering the same thing regarding the two Utah Jazz NBA players who apparently were showing no signs of being sick yet they tested positive. Especially the first one Rudy Goebert who foolishly touched all of the microphones and recorders at the press meeting the night before he was found to be positive. He has since apologized for being so stupid. But my point is that if it can be present in incredibly athletic and fit people, how can it be found in other people that aren't showing any signs of sickness without random testing?

I have my normal 3 month doctors visit next Friday and I'm curious to hear what their suggestions will be.
 
Slapped
Now if my suspicions are true, and I have had the virus, then god knows how many other people I've infected before I even fell ill.
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I genuinely wonder if I had it. Not long into the known existence of coronavirus I spent several hours packed in a room with hundreds of visiting Chinese families. A few days later I had a fever, cough, aches, de crapzez, and generally felt rotten.

I'm fine now and none of my family (immediate or otherwise) have, even these weeks later, shown any sign of illness (touch wood it remains that way). Still wonder if I had it though.
 

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