COVID-19/Coronavirus Information and Support Thread (see OP for useful links)
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UKMikey
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This must be some kind of a "rip-off".
It'd be a better world without all those people wishing to throw the rest of the world's population under the bus so that their own lives will improve.
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So, hearing Ebay and Amazon are cracking down on paper product gougers I thought I'd look at what was selling in my area, I found three adverts with people selling a case of TP for a hundred bucks.
I did stumble across this gem though, and they promise that its organic and GMO free.
I did stumble across this gem though, and they promise that its organic and GMO free.
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Yeah, I generally wake up with a runny nose so I tend to go through a fair bit of TP in the morning. Im definitely going on rations with the TP now. Might go invest in some nice handkerchiefs.
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Well 🤬. My family is in various places right now (funeral, friends place, etc.), and I just learned that a place close by them jumped up in the number of confirmed cases. Anxiety is coming in and now I'm worrying my butt off. Here's hoping they all get their 🤬 back home tomorrow before things get too crazy all safe and sound.
zzz_pt
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Found the perfect soundtrack track for the toilet paper crisis. This is Steven Wilson's first single for his new album, released a few days back.
I hope I can see him live in September. There's another concert in May 1st from a band I like and it will probably get canceled.
I hope I can see him live in September. There's another concert in May 1st from a band I like and it will probably get canceled.
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US airports in chaos as new screening orders imposed:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51895246
Very smart: force thousands of people to crowd together at the airport. What will they do with the people who show "positive" in some way? Imprison them? Hospitalize them? Put them back on a plane? It's like something out of a zombie apocalypse movie.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51895246
Very smart: force thousands of people to crowd together at the airport. What will they do with the people who show "positive" in some way? Imprison them? Hospitalize them? Put them back on a plane? It's like something out of a zombie apocalypse movie.
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Controversial opinion time:
Debate is raging in the UK about closing schools - many countries have already closed schools and gone into lockdown, while the UK is continuing to resist this policy for the time being.
The argument is fairly sound - school closures would cause more parents to miss work (including crucial health workers) and also increase the care burden on the most vulnerable group, the elderly. Thus, schools may not be closed in the UK for some time.
However, there is a problem facing this policy - holidays. What happens over the school holidays?
Putting 2 and 2 together leads me to one (probably very unpopular) opinion - instead of less school, should the government be looking at more school i.e. summer school programmes? This would take a huge amount of pressure off parents and, more importantly, their parents.
Coupled with social distancing recommendations/orders for parents, kids would only be able to mix with their own closed groups, which could have the knock-on effect of containing the spread of the virus between adults and thus slowing down the spread.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
Debate is raging in the UK about closing schools - many countries have already closed schools and gone into lockdown, while the UK is continuing to resist this policy for the time being.
The argument is fairly sound - school closures would cause more parents to miss work (including crucial health workers) and also increase the care burden on the most vulnerable group, the elderly. Thus, schools may not be closed in the UK for some time.
However, there is a problem facing this policy - holidays. What happens over the school holidays?
Putting 2 and 2 together leads me to one (probably very unpopular) opinion - instead of less school, should the government be looking at more school i.e. summer school programmes? This would take a huge amount of pressure off parents and, more importantly, their parents.
Coupled with social distancing recommendations/orders for parents, kids would only be able to mix with their own closed groups, which could have the knock-on effect of containing the spread of the virus between adults and thus slowing down the spread.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
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Where I live, school closure policy is not set at the national level, but at the state and local. Most if not all schools at all levels are now closed to the best of my knowledge.
UKMikey
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The comments under that tweet are full of people screaming about the liberal media agenda and blaming them for panic buyers. It's as if they're blaming weather people for hurricane season.
I guess I better go ply my trade elsewhere.
I fold.
I apologise. I misread your post as one of those "Covid-19 needs to do its job and reduce the world's overpopulation" posts.
I can see the logic, the issue is even greater when you think about how many children will spend their holidays with grandparents... but the issue is cost.
The whole strategy pushed by the government is kinda like the Blitz, don't worry about the Germans bombing you, crack on and we'll beat them in the end. With this concept the government is trying to make sure the economic burned of this pandemic isn't as great as it would be if everything was closed down. Not only that but Brexit has cost astronomical amounts of money and the government has not long published its crazy spending plan to help the economy... I think a similar plan could be to help businesses relax their insurance policies and allow them to form informal crèche's in meeting rooms etc... I mean **** it, if we can't stay home and isolate ourselves and sporting events are 'fine'... why not have kids at the office too?
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Kids run the street right now. All I've seen in Arnhem the last couple of days are kids, buzzing about the place and socialising. Lots of skateboards. Man, I bet they feel like they run the world right now.
A lot of coming of age movies are going to be written over the next few weeks, if nothing else.
Another interesting thing to note from all this is the rise of the mask in the west. Saw a couple yesterday, definitely western dudes rocking the more stylish kind of mask you might see in Japan. It's another symptom of the eastern and western cultures growing to meet in the middle, like anime on Netflix and every travel documentary's sudden obsession with onsen.
Staying chill here. Nothing to be done. Travel might not be possible, but there are worse countries to be stuck in than the Netherlands if it comes to that.
A lot of coming of age movies are going to be written over the next few weeks, if nothing else.
Another interesting thing to note from all this is the rise of the mask in the west. Saw a couple yesterday, definitely western dudes rocking the more stylish kind of mask you might see in Japan. It's another symptom of the eastern and western cultures growing to meet in the middle, like anime on Netflix and every travel documentary's sudden obsession with onsen.
Staying chill here. Nothing to be done. Travel might not be possible, but there are worse countries to be stuck in than the Netherlands if it comes to that.
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I think there are too many people writing articles or going live on TV criticising the UK governments stance on how to deal with this pandemic and it's really not helping. We are already a politically fractured society and struggle to agree on anything without a crisis, we really need to stop thinking we know best despite not being in the COBRA meetings and looking at the actual data the government has and thinking about how we can support the stance when the time comes for us to personally take any action should that happen. I do sypathise with the elderly now being likely to have to isolate, but being defiant will not help.
I think people are also underestimating the impact this can have on the economy, local business and jobs. I want to be able to still have a job at the end of this, and to still be able to pay the mortgage. All these people wanting everything shut down with immediate effect no matter how long for would be very quick to moan if the comapny they worked for went out of business as a result.
There is a finite amount of resources at our disposal, a finite amount of money and a finite amount of time business and the economy as a whole could survive a total lockdown.
I think people are also underestimating the impact this can have on the economy, local business and jobs. I want to be able to still have a job at the end of this, and to still be able to pay the mortgage. All these people wanting everything shut down with immediate effect no matter how long for would be very quick to moan if the comapny they worked for went out of business as a result.
There is a finite amount of resources at our disposal, a finite amount of money and a finite amount of time business and the economy as a whole could survive a total lockdown.
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Assuming you mean ibuprofen - or it's a brand name for ibuprofen I'm not familiar with - go to your GP and request a prescription for naproxen. Tell them that ibuprofen is effective but only marginally so and the moronic rush on OTC medicines means you can't find any, and you'd like to try naproxen for a month to see if it improves things. They'll ask about any gastric problems (though they apply to ibuprofen too) and advise you don't use it long-term (as with ibuprofen), but should write you a prescription without any fuss.
Naproxen is basically better ibuprofen. Much better. Higher risk of causing stomach issues though. Oh and take your maximum dose of paracetamol alongside it (again, as you can and should with ibuprofen), which I think is 2.4g/day (2x400g, three times a day); anti-inflammatories relieve the cause of pain by managing inflammation, but they don't manage pain itself. You can take paracetamol in conjunction with either ibuprofen or naproxen, combining analgesia with anti-inflammatories.
What's the nature of the injury? There might be a better path than anti-inflammatories alone if they're only easing it a tiny bit.
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The debate will stop raging when British will see a unsustainable daily death number. Since we're all on an exponential cases rate, i don't see why that wouldn't happen sooner or later without drastic measures. You're just a bit late* to the party, you don't have a VIP pass.
Italy, then Spain and France tried to take the best acceptable but not best effective measures, trying not to overshoot the response. Ultimately, we ended to almost complete locked-down.
*: around 6 days and two weeks compared to France and Italy.
That death ratio is something i'd like to see explained. Surprisingly, it is not a wide subject here in France. If you hear more about it in Germany, i would be glad to learn more (sadly, despite 5 years of German courses at school, long past, i can't read German)
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@Milouse I'm not fluent in German either but from what I gather, it has to do with the way Germany handled and is handling the testing. They started testing people who had symptoms and were suspicious of carrying the virus regardless of demographic, leading to an earlier containment and treatment, I suppose.
But I'd like to know more specifics myself.
But I'd like to know more specifics myself.
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I think this is in general. Too many people are taking any shred of data and blowing it up. You can't accurately model something with so little data. There was even a guy on Reddit posting on the Salt Lake City subreddit that the entire state would have the virus by this coming Friday. When I questioned his data he got pissed and told me he was a data scientist through PM. I mean that's great but if you're modeling your data off confirmed cases it's already flawed. The number of confirmed cases might be rising at an exponential rate, but it's unknown what the actual spread is since the CDC's guidelines are now limiting testing to people who've traveled. It could be insanely high or it could be relatively low, there's no way to tell without testing more people.
At this point, people just need to assume they're going to get it and do the intelligent thing like stay home. I managed to stock up on supplies this morning by going to Target. I figure I can make everything last about two weeks so there's really no need for me to go out. More people need to do this. Just leave for essential things you have to have. Also, rely on Amazon if you can and tell them to just drop the box at your front door.
Oh and fun thing, Target had armed security guards doling out TP, wipes, bleach, etc. They said after yesterday they had too. So we're now at the point where we need to protect hygiene and cleaning products like they're gold. Still snagged me some of that good wonder plush though.
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Ya I haven’t really been following along with this thread, I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe (at this point, more so from crazy people than the virus itself).
I’ve been reading in Canadian news that we haven’t really shut anything down, we’re still accepting flights from China, Italy, and Iran, and merely handing out pamphlets and asking a few polite questions, no screening. Compared to what I’ve seen on twitter from the US, and Australia, things remain fairly calm here in the Okanagan Valley in BC. Toilet Paper has been cleaned out a few times, but stores are restocking it a couple times per week. Other than that, grocery stores seemed pretty normal, if not slightly busier.
I don’t know if I’ve ever witnessed a more interesting episode in my life. Honestly, all the different aspects of this pandemic are quite fascinating, and so varied. For example, on one hand, you have people hoarding supplies or even panic buying strange things (I’ve read of people buying cases of olives, getting home, and then being like, “well now what??”). On the other hand, you have people organizing coalitions and groups who are volunteering to grocery shop for the elderly and sick who are unable or frightened to go to the grocery store. You get the whole spectrum of humanity.
On the larger scale, we’ve now entered into the game of China trying to blame this virus on the US Military, which is fun to watch unfold. The game that certain US media outlets are playing by claiming that naming the virus “Chinese Coronavirus,” or “Wuhan Flu” is somehow racist is one of the funniest/dumbest things I’ve ever seen.
I have a feeling this pandemic will be like another 9/11, in that we’re crossing a threshold that we won’t uncross. Yes, hopefully life can return to normal, but things will be different. Prior to 9/11, taking your shoes off to go through airport security was unheard of, now it’s normal. In that same way, while this is the first time I’ve ever seen mass quarantines like this, I don’t think it will be the last. I also think body scanners (under the guise of scanning for temperature) will become the norm for entering public spaces, or using things like public transit.
I’ve found a lot of the discussion about schools to be very interesting, a number of interesting questions being raised.
- what are the implications for universities if enough people come to prefer online classes?
- what are the implications for public schools if enough parents come to favour home schooling? Depending on how long this lasts for, there’s a golden opportunity to develop and grow online education tools at an exponential rate over the coming months.
- the biggest question of all, wtf do we do with all these kids? This one I find really interesting, especially in the context of only 2-3 generations ago, this would not really be an issue. I think it’s an interesting marker for where we are as a society, that as a whole, we sort of don’t know what to do with our children without the “education system” functioning.
I’ve been reading in Canadian news that we haven’t really shut anything down, we’re still accepting flights from China, Italy, and Iran, and merely handing out pamphlets and asking a few polite questions, no screening. Compared to what I’ve seen on twitter from the US, and Australia, things remain fairly calm here in the Okanagan Valley in BC. Toilet Paper has been cleaned out a few times, but stores are restocking it a couple times per week. Other than that, grocery stores seemed pretty normal, if not slightly busier.
I don’t know if I’ve ever witnessed a more interesting episode in my life. Honestly, all the different aspects of this pandemic are quite fascinating, and so varied. For example, on one hand, you have people hoarding supplies or even panic buying strange things (I’ve read of people buying cases of olives, getting home, and then being like, “well now what??”). On the other hand, you have people organizing coalitions and groups who are volunteering to grocery shop for the elderly and sick who are unable or frightened to go to the grocery store. You get the whole spectrum of humanity.
On the larger scale, we’ve now entered into the game of China trying to blame this virus on the US Military, which is fun to watch unfold. The game that certain US media outlets are playing by claiming that naming the virus “Chinese Coronavirus,” or “Wuhan Flu” is somehow racist is one of the funniest/dumbest things I’ve ever seen.
I have a feeling this pandemic will be like another 9/11, in that we’re crossing a threshold that we won’t uncross. Yes, hopefully life can return to normal, but things will be different. Prior to 9/11, taking your shoes off to go through airport security was unheard of, now it’s normal. In that same way, while this is the first time I’ve ever seen mass quarantines like this, I don’t think it will be the last. I also think body scanners (under the guise of scanning for temperature) will become the norm for entering public spaces, or using things like public transit.
I’ve found a lot of the discussion about schools to be very interesting, a number of interesting questions being raised.
- what are the implications for universities if enough people come to prefer online classes?
- what are the implications for public schools if enough parents come to favour home schooling? Depending on how long this lasts for, there’s a golden opportunity to develop and grow online education tools at an exponential rate over the coming months.
- the biggest question of all, wtf do we do with all these kids? This one I find really interesting, especially in the context of only 2-3 generations ago, this would not really be an issue. I think it’s an interesting marker for where we are as a society, that as a whole, we sort of don’t know what to do with our children without the “education system” functioning.
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