Create Custom Driver Avatars skin color options, Or A variety of Drivers to choose from in GT 7

[eran0004]

i have to say i think it's pretty sad that you even have these thoughts. i never even noticed my drivers 'skin tone' or even that he has one because it's completely irrelevant.

That you do and that you place such peculiar value on it tells me just how much you think about race, which in my opinion is wrong. Until you can get over stuff lile this and accept a game is what it is then you will always be hung up about your race. That's not my fault or PD's fault.

Will you only be happy if every ethnicity is 100% represented in every dimension or do you just care about your own?

Kaz is Asian and cares not, so why get hung up on it unless you are so racially over aware it becomes a form of racism itself?

How is it racism?

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

@nickg07 It is Stupid to say because someone suggest more than one nationality avatar would be a good option, it is racism, Do you even know what Racism means? Racism: Prejudice, Discrimination, or Antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's OWN race is superior. I never said my race was better or worst, I just said I would like to have the option to have my avatar look like me, What is wrong with adding different Nationality avatars to GT7, Why do you think that is so awful to see? We should celebrate our differences instead of pretending they don't exist, we don't have to be divided because we look different, Inclusion is anti-racism, Exclusion is Racism, I suggested we include different Nationality avatars which is INCLUSION, you suggest we exclude all races but one, which is exclusion, now that you know what racism means, which suggestion sounds racist to you? If you were married and your wife gave birth to your first son, Would you want him to look like you?, or would you want him to look nothing like you or your wife? would it be racist to want him to look like yourself? Well it is the same with an avatar, it is NOT racist people, it is a reflection, and that is all.

 

[RACECAR]

i have to say i think it's pretty sad that you even have these thoughts. i never even noticed my drivers 'skin tone' or even that he has one because it's completely irrelevant.

That you do and that you place such peculiar value on it tells me just how much you think about race, which in my opinion is wrong. Until you can get over stuff lile this and accept a game is what it is then you will always be hung up about your race. That's not my fault or PD's fault.

Will you only be happy if every ethnicity is 100% represented in every dimension or do you just care about your own?

Kaz is Asian and cares not, so why get hung up on it unless you are so racially over aware it becomes a form of racism itself?

....wat?

There's disagreeing and then there's...that.

If there was ever an example of massively blowing things out of proportion, that is it.

I am serious. I didn't base your opposition to ethnic diversity on anything outside this thread, I'm not suggesting you're Moseley or that you have some hate agenda. What you actually said, here, in the context of this thread was



Which is clearly self-contradiactory in the context of this thread. You are opposing ethnic diversity in this context.

When I made that post, I made it addressing the person who I'm sure didn't mean it the same way.

What the OP has suggested is something so slight and simple (yet so widely and easily inclusive) that it's a tiny tiny thing in the scheme of Gran Turismo. A player would be able to choose an avatar that represents themselves (or any other character they choose), that's all. The opposition to it has been astonishing, in my opinion.

In the case of multi-toned avatars being available, what skin tone would you choose?

As you can cleanly see, the only portion of that driver's skin IS his face(or more specifically, just the eye area in particular) compared to this:

If we saw THAT much of the driver, then I'd probably understand more (or even to the extent we've seen in Mass Effect). As it sits now however, we don't and that's where I disagree about this. Its again not about me "Opposing Ethnic diversity" (You're talking to someone who's actually took advantage of similar features in Playstation Home AND in Mass Effect 3 so I'm not exactly as even close to it), its about the visibility of this and as I just pointed out, its hardly big enough to warrant a feature in comparison to said games. That's what I've been saying the whole time yet for some reason its just been ignored and buried under a sea of responses making my response seem more malicious then they actually are.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

....wat?

There's disagreeing and then there's...that.

If there was ever an example of massively blowing things out of proportion, that is it.



When I made that post, I made it addressing the person who I'm sure didn't mean it the same way.




As you can cleanly see, the only portion of that driver's skin IS his face(or more specifically, just the eye area in particular) compared to this:

If we saw THAT much of the driver, then I'd probably understand more (or even to the extent we've seen in Mass Effect). As it sits now however, we don't and that's where I disagree about this. Its again not about me "Opposing Ethnic diversity" (You're talking to someone who's actually took advantage of similar features in Playstation Home AND in Mass Effect 3 so I'm not exactly as even close to it), its about the visibility of this and as I just pointed out, its hardly big enough to warrant a feature in comparison to said games. That's what I've been saying the whole time yet for some reason its just been ignored and buried under a sea of responses making my response seem more malicious then they actually are.

Look At the Bottom of page 3 of this thread RaceCar, I don't mind that you disagree and you have a right to your opinion in which I will NOT infringe upon.

Here is A different post photo of the open face helmet, I don,t want to double post.

 

[RACECAR]

I've seen the pictures and that's why posted the example I did. I think if this is to be included, we should at least see enough of the skin color that its more visually present without having to do things like specifically having to switch to an open Helmet just to see them. In the present state of things, its limited to one area (which is easily the most obscured area).

 

[TenEightyOne]

I've seen the pictures and that's why posted the example I did. I think if this is to be included, we should at least see enough of the skin color that its more visually present without having to do things like specifically having to switch to an open Helmet just to see them. In the present state of things, its limited to one area (which is easily the most obscured area).

I cannot agree, if you can't tell in that picture that the avatar is blue-eyed and caucasian then I don't know what else to say.

 

[RACECAR]

I cannot agree, if you can't tell in that picture that the avatar is blue-eyed and caucasian then I don't know what else to say.

But in order to see that, don't you have to position that driver just enough in the light to actually see it? That's an example of having to specifically do something to make it more visible. I didn't say that picture doesn't show it because he's not in an open face helmet, I gave an example of having to actually do something just to make the face more visible.

 

[TenEightyOne]

But in order to see that, don't you have to position that driver just enough in the light to actually see it? That's an example of specifically having to do specifically to make it more visible. I didn't say that picture doesn't show it because he's not in an open face helmet, I gave an example of having to actually do something just to make the face more visible.

Oh for goodness sake, I'm sure you see the point. Your avatar's also visible on replays and so forth, when you have a caucasian avatar it's pretty obvious and some players would like the choice of skin tones and genders.

I think they should remove Subaru Imprezas from the game to make space, I never use them because I don't like them. That'd work, right?

 

[RACECAR]

Oh for goodness sake, I'm sure you see the point. Your avatar's also visible on replays and so forth, when you have a caucasian avatar it's pretty obvious and some players would like the choice of skin tones and genders.

I think they should remove Subaru Imprezas from the game to make space, I never use them because I don't like them. That'd work, right?

Yes it is but its only when the light actually hits the face just right that's when the drivers face is visible. You're talking to someone who spends a lot of time watching replays in Interior View since GT5 (and even post videos from said view) so its not as if I'm not aware of it. Also, you are still missing my point (which I made more clear in the earlier post). I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to do this at all (what sort of hypocrite would I be to do so when as I've shown, I utilized a similar feature on other games?), I'm saying the visibility in THIS game doesn't seem significant enough if you have to specifically do things just to even see it at all.

I think they should remove Subaru Imprezas from the game to make space, I never use them because I don't like them. That'd work, right?

The hell does that even have to do with what I'm saying?

 

[TenEightyOne]

The hell does that even have to do with what I'm saying?

I'd never use them. Why should I want them in the game? I can't believe people like you who want them in the game. Why should you have them if I don't want to use them?

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

GT 7 will be on the more powerful PS4 system, It may have room to add more things for a more intricate gaming experience.

 

[RACECAR]

I'd never use them. Why should I want them in the game? I can't believe people like you who want them in the game. Why should you have them if I don't want to use them?

Are you somehow telling me that's exactly what I'm saying in regards to including this? If so, where exactly am I saying that?

 

[TenEightyOne]

I'd never use them. Why should I want them in the game? I can't believe people like you who want them in the game. Why should you have them if I don't want to use them?

Are you somehow telling me that's exactly what I'm saying in regards to including this? If so, where exactly am I saying that?

I disagree with having Multi-race avatars

 

[RACECAR]

So now disagreeing automatically insinuates that I don't want anyone else to have something. Great, more BS being shoveled in my mouth because I disagreed (nevermind that I showed myself using a similar feature elsewhere)


Its like you are intentionally missing my point just to make it out like I don't want people to have a choice. Again:

If we saw THAT much of the driver, then I'd probably understand more (or even to the extent we've seen in Mass Effect). As it sits now however, we don't and that's where I disagree about this. Its again not about me "Opposing Ethnic diversity" (You're talking to someone who's actually took advantage of similar features in Playstation Home AND in Mass Effect 3 so I'm not exactly as even close to it), its about the visibility of this and as I just pointed out, its hardly big enough to warrant a feature in comparison to said games. That's what I've been saying the whole time yet for some reason its just been ignored and buried under a sea of responses making my response seem more malicious then they actually are.

Nowhere am I trying to disallow people to have a choice, I simply don't find the amount of skin color in THIS game enough to have a dedicated feature just to change color. What is so hard to understand?

 

[Earth]

Proof? To who? You don't think PD are aware that there are black drivers in motorsports despite one of them just winning his second F1 title AND one of them a graduate of the GT Academy program (which Kaz has seen with his own eyes more then once)? I'm sorry but you don't display just one race of drivers and then claim you want "more than one ethnicity".

And again, the Drive club Comparison isn't at all logical because its not even close to being the same sort of game GT is.

Lewis Hamilton isnt black, and by the looks of him Jann probably isnt 'black' either. Not sure why dark/brown skin automatically makes you black when your half white or some other race.

 

[Alutec]

I honestly don't see the point like... You're a wearing a suit and helmet XD

 

[Neddo]

There definetly should be choice for as much parts of body and especially ability to race in casual clothes.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Lewis Hamilton isnt black, and by the looks of him Jann probably isnt 'black' either. Not sure why dark/brown skin automatically makes you black when your half white or some other race.

From Left to Right: Nick Hamilton (Lewis's brother) Lewis Hamilton (F1 2 time Champian) Anthony Hamilton (Lewis's Dad).

 

[JKgo]

I feel that this could become a feature in a future GT title. PDI has introduced customization of your avatar's appearance so this would be the next logical step. Whether it's warranted or not, it would still be a welcome addition. More choices the better, I say - as long as said choices don't confuse/overwhelm me...

 

[RACECAR]

Lewis Hamilton isnt black, and by the looks of him Jann probably isnt 'black' either. Not sure why dark/brown skin automatically makes you black when your half white or some other race.

If Lewis isn't actually black, then that's a surprise to me because that's all I've ever seen him reffered to as.

There definetly should be choice for as much parts of body and especially ability to race in casual clothes.

@Neddo Now that I wouldn't mind. If our avatars had that much of their faces shown, then I would agree since it would actually be much closer to what I've done before in other games.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

From Left to Right: Nick Hamilton (Lewis's brother) Lewis Hamilton (F1 2 time Champian) Anthony Hamilton (Lewis's Dad).

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Black Men make Black Babies.

I guess Barack Obama isn't black either by that logic.

Lewis Hamilton isnt black, and by the looks of him Jann probably isnt 'black' either. Not sure why dark/brown skin automatically makes you black when your half white or some other race.

 

[RACECAR]

Its a better idea to edit posts rather then post one right after another.

After reading around, I just found out Lewis Hamilton is Mixed (Half Black, Half White). I blame the media for that misinformation. Like I said, that's essentially the description they give us. Even with clear knowledge that Darrell Wallace Jr in also mixed (with both parents very visible mind you), he is still reffered to as black.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I feel that this could become a feature in a future GT title. PDI has introduced customization of your avatar's appearance so this would be the next logical step. Whether it's warranted or not, it would still be a welcome addition. More choices the better, I say - as long as said choices don't confuse/overwhelm me...

Thanks For the information @JKgo, it is A natural progression in simulation of the real world.

 

[Tornado]

I'd never use them. Why should I want them in the game? I can't believe people like you who want them in the game. Why should you have them if I don't want to use them?

That's not really the same logical concept.

 

[TenEightyOne]

That's not really the same logical concept.

It's close; there's a question about a choosable game-thing, some users are as immediately furious about the idea as I "am" about the inclusion of the Impreza. It wasn't the greatest example to choose but my point remains; where's the negativity in other players having choices? I'm sure I don't choose to play the way that some other players do yet somehow I remain placid and accepting.

After reading around, I just found out Lewis Hamilton is Mixed (Half Black, Half White). I blame the media for that misinformation. Like I said, that's essentially the description they give us. Even with clear knowledge that Darrell Wallace Jr in also mixed (with both parents very visible mind you), he is still reffered to as black.

I didn't want to point that out, like Barack Obama (America's first mixed-race president) Lewis Hamilton is F1's first mixed-race champion. My sister is also mixed race but considers herself black because that's the side that she physiologically resembles genetically.

As @Tornado pointed out I picked a crappy example to challenge you on (not his words but, yeah ) but without going into a racial issue I genuinely don't see why you'd object (as I believe you have) to a choice of skin tones being available.

 

[RACECAR]

I didn't want to point that out, like Barack Obama (America's first mixed-race president) Lewis Hamilton is F1's first mixed-race champion. My sister is also mixed race but considers herself black because that's the side that she physiologically resembles genetically.

That's fine if the person (in that example, your sister) considers themselves that race. I was just saying how for whatever reason, the media tends to completely disregard the mixed race portion of someone and in the case of Barack Obama (or Darrell Wallace Jr even), they only focus on the black part. In doing so, there are many people like me who before didn't even realize Hamilton was mixed (though it doesn't help that we've seen more of his dad and brother then we have his mom).

As @Tornado pointed out I picked a crappy example to challenge you on (not his words but, yeah ) but without going into a racial issue I genuinely don't see why you'd object (as I believe you have) to a choice of skin tones being available.

I'm not objecting it as a whole, why would I be against it as a whole if I myself used it on another game? I just am saying that if we have this feature, I'd like more visual representation then just the eye portion of the face. That shot from the Toyota 86 trailer is exactly what I'm talking about. I feel you've taken the context of my post completely out of proportion. Perhaps "In a game" should've been added, but I did not mean that I'm against the entire concept period as you are making it out to be.

 

[TenEightyOne]

That's fine if the person (in that example, your sister) considers themselves that race. I was just saying how for whatever reason, the media tends to completely disregard the mixed race portion of someone and in the case of Barack Obama (or Darrell Wallace Jr even), they only focus on the black part. In doing so, there are many people like me who before didn't even realize Hamilton was mixed (though it doesn't help that we've seen more of his dad and brother then we have his mom).

Absolutely, I think a lot of people miss the fact that such a level of complication exists. And with Hamilton I'm never sure which is his birth mum and which is his dad's new wife... families are bloody complicated aren't they?

I'm not objecting it as a whole, why would I be against it as a whole if I myself used it on another game? I just am saying that if we have this feature, I'd like more visual representation then just the eye portion of the face. That shot from the Toyota 86 trailer is exactly what I'm talking about. I feel you've taken the context of my post completely out of proportion. Perhaps "In a game" should've been added, but I did not mean that I'm against the entire concept period as you are making it out to be.

Overall it seems you've either adjusted or focussed your thinking on the issue; where I was arguing with you before your later comments have clarified your position, so it's cool

 

[MatskiMonk]

I wonder why people think Lewis is black..

"When I first started in Formula 1, I tried to ignore the fact I was the first black guy ever to race in the sport.

But, as I've got older, I've really started to appreciate the implications.

It's a pretty cool feeling to be the person to knock down a barrier - just like the Williams sisters did in tennis or Tiger Woods in golf.

I get kids from all different cultures and nationalities coming up to me now, all wanting to be F1 drivers. They feel the sport is open to everyone.

That's why it was so great to do the Top Gear festival in Barbados last weekend.

I had so much fun, although being there meant so much more to me than having a good time.

My immediate family are from the West Indies - from Trinidad and Grenada - and I have relatives all over the Caribbean.

I am the only representative of that part of the world to drive in F1, so when Top Gear told me about the event I immediately said: "I'd love to do it."

It was really cool to go there and it was so busy. Thousands turned up. I heard people flew in from Jamaica and Trinidad just to see me.

It was weird. It was almost like it was my event. In fact, Jeremy Clarkson said to the crowd at one point that "15% of the people are here to see Top Gear and 85% to see Lewis".



It was unbelievable, really one of the best weekends I've ever had... the feeling, the energy I got.

The fans were so excited - the most excited I have ever seen in my life.

I don't think they have ever seen anything like that before, never heard an F1 car anyway, so it was surreal to be the person to bring that to them and represent F1.

Cricket and football are the biggest sports in the Caribbean, but I've noticed that F1 is increasing in popularity.

The event was just a blast. I drove a Mercedes F1 car and 'raced' against rally stunt driver Ken Block. We did 'doughnuts' and everything."

from http://www.lewishamilton.com/post/first-black-driver/

 

[Johnnypenso]

I wonder why people think Lewis is black..

from http://www.lewishamilton.com/post/first-black-driver/

I bet his Mom is happy about that.

 

[niky]

It goes like this:

Dark skinned parent + Light skinned parent = Dark Skin... you're black.

Dark skinned parent + Light skinned parent = Light Skin... you're white.

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Of course, the whole point isn't whether you're black or white. (It doesn't matter). The point is it would be nice if you could make your avatar whatever color you are.

And for the "that doesn't matter" either crowd, remember... we have gained changeable rims, photomode, photo-travel, online garages, race suits, race helmets, collectable race suits and helmets and paint-chips and etceterae all within the last decade. And none of that affect how the in-game racing works out.

It's likely Gran Turismo will get to driver customization, eventually... whether any of us like it or not.