Current PSN outage: Don't abuse or we lose this thread.

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rumblina
The poster is probably stating, in a round-about way, that s/he is sick of the PSN being down and ad-libbed that part, being that on May 1 they stated in CAPS that the network, at least in some form, would be back up within te week. I think the OP has somewhat jumped the gun, as the 'within the week' allows them up until SUnday (JP time) to do so. If it is not up on Monday morning my time (Australia), I will be a little miffed but not to the point that my life is over. All I have missed out on with this outage is the GT5 Tuner Challenge driver online aspect.

On the other hand, if I owned SOCOM4 or Portal2 I would be rightly pisse dright now.
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He based it on the Wiki page because it stated that the update comes out today, scroll back a page and see for yourself... It doesnt matter, he is wrong anyway... :)
 
It's good for now mainly for the U.S. ,but it will be a (semi to large) struggle for most other country's to have this ID Protection instilled ,.... I'm sure Sony will make it happen tho. :)
 
Blitz187
He based it on the Wiki page because it stated that the update comes out today, scroll back a page and see for yourself... It doesnt matter, he is wrong anyway... :)
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Yeah I did, although after the fact :/

WP is not gospel, the pages tend to speculate sometimes. There is always the chance it comes back tonight while I am in bed though, in which case I can run online times tomorrow for submission with my offline times :P
 
Scaff
Please stop pedaling this myth, because that exactly what it is and that its still doing the rounds in down to appallingly poor and sensationalist journalism and those who don't even bother to read the actually court documents.

Sony have never seen a single IP address for anyone, never were going to and never did. The material was released on a 'attorneys eyes only basis', as quite clearly laid out by the court order (which is linked to in this thread by me twice).

That means the only people who say the IP information was the attorneys for both parties, and it could only be used to establish links between Geohot and the state of California to see if the trial could be held in a California court. Those attorneys would not be able to take the information away with them, disclose it or use in for any other purposes, under threat of being disbarred.

So a 'mere' company can't demand this, never did demand it and never did see it.


Scaff
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Here is a story that might be of interest to you. It deals with the IP issue (in the US).
US Judge: an IP address is not a person



caninehostile
Nice green Dot to the right.... I like it! 👍
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I can see the light at the end of the tunnel!:)

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"In the coming days" could be anything. From today (since it was posted yestreday to next month. Where is the data on the chart referenced above coming from? And what exactly is it showing?
 
caninehostile
But...... HOW long is that tunnel? :sly:
Hope it's like 2 people standing outside each entrance (both sides) and able to shake hands :D :cheers:
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I would say that the tunnel is no longer than May. I found this on the Japan PlayStation site. It's a google translation so wording may be a bit strange in nature. Notice number 4 has (in May) at the end.

Schedule service restart

下記のスケジュールに沿って地域ごとに段階的に“PlayStation Network”サービスを再開いたします。 Phased out according to the schedule below for each region "PlayStation Network" service will resume.
具体的な日程につきましては、本サイトにて順次ご案内してまいります。 For specific dates, we will guide you turn at this site.

1. 最新情報のご案内(本日) Guide update (today)
2. パスワード変更を可能にする“PlayStation 3”システムソフトウェア アップデートver.3.61 (近日中) Enable password change "PlayStation 3" System Software Update ver.3.61 (soon)
・この時点では“PlayStation Network”は、まだご利用いただけません。 * At this point, "PlayStation Network" is not yet available.
3. “PlayStation Network”サービス一部再開 (近日中) "PlayStation Network" restart some services (soon)
※再開されるサービスの内容につきましては「 近日中に再開される “PlayStation Network”のサービス／機能 」をご参照ください。 Liable for the service will be resumed ※ "will resume soon" PlayStation Network "service / feature" please see.
・サインインにあたって、パスワードの変更が必要となります。 Getting signed - will need to change your password.
・パスワードの変更手続きを行うことで、“PlayStation Network”サービスの一部をご利用になれます。 - Change the password by performing the procedure, "PlayStation Network" are some of the services can use.
“PSP”「プレイステーション・ポータブル」のパスワード変更につきましては、“PlayStation 3”のパスワード変更が可能となったタイミングでご案内させていただきます。 "PSP" "PlayStation Portable" With regard to the password change, "PlayStation 3" I will guide you through the timing made it possible to change the password.
4. “PlayStation Network” サービス 全面再開 (5月中) "PlayStation Network" full resumption of service (in May)


Scaff
However in the specific Geohot case none of the details were released to Sony (yet the sheer number of people claiming otherwise is quite mad).Scaff
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One day I'm actually going to look at the details of that case. :)
 
canderson19
"In the coming days" could be anything. From today (since it was posted yestreday to next month. Where is the data on the chart referenced above coming from? And what exactly is it showing?
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It represents server pings from the US (PA) to the NA PSN store address, it's showing that it went to "failure" between 20 APril and 22 April (when PSN, et-al was taken offline), and shows that the address now provides a response again. It shows that they are starting to restore service, at least in same part.

Whether or not the store address shown against the graph for ping testing is the same as the one used to access the store through the XMB, I don't know.

Edit: Based on the fact that they have made 3 posts to the blog in one day after a 3 day hiatus, I am thinking that they are almost redy to hit the go button.
 
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jjaisli
Likewise. But you know, if you want to look at it that way, it wasn't Sony who really killed other OS. Like the kid on the playground who just won't stop throwing rocks onto the road at passing cars, somebody who refused to play by the rules, ruined it for everybody.
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Like I said previously, I believe Sony were well intentioned with including the Other OS features. It seems Sony wanted to add some extra usability to the PS3, but a few bad apples had to abuse and ruin the feature for those that were using it responsibly.

sk0pe
If Sony says, all these people did was use re-bug firmware to get into developer accounts and have free download access to the PSN and because of that we are shutting the PSN down for weeks, it's not such a strong case anymore is it. It becomes a case of well Sony you should have thought of that before you implemented the PSN Store the way you did.
But instead we have people in hysteria worried about credit cards, and personal info. Most of that personal info they don't realise is so easily findable anyways that it's laughable.
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How about instead of blaming Sony on what they should have done, blame the actual people causing the trouble? Saying a company should put security measures in place is all well and good, but there are ways around the security measures. Instead, people should have the decency to be honest and not going around looking to cause trouble.
 
VashTheStampede
How about instead of blaming Sony on what they should have done, blame the actual people causing the trouble? Saying a company should put security measures in place is all well and good, but there are ways around the security measures. Instead, people should have the decency to be honest and not going around looking to cause trouble.
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But if they had outdated server software and no firewall, as suggested in the recent Congressional hearing, then they must take some of the blame for this outage. There is no excuse for that crap.:)

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Next time the whole Anon Justice League starts acting up, I'll be sure to get this guy on their case:
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kind of a silly question but will any of the new security features and such potentially slow down the system?
 
Watching all the back and forth regarding GeoHot and the legality of his actions I have a question, as I am not technically savvy or informed enough to fully understand what he did. But could any of it be in violation of anti-circumvention laws?

For example, in the US: The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet.
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If I read that right he did not have to pirate anything for what I understand him to have done to be illegal.

Note: I am not saying I agree with the law or the aggressiveness in which Sony pursued the case. I just keep hearing about how GeoHot supposedly did nothing illegal and then keep remembering the paper I had to write on DMCA for my telecommunications law course, and it sounds as if Sony had a legitimate issue of legality that they could pursue.
 
aland18
Next time the whole Anon Justice League starts acting up, I'll be sure to get this guy on their case:
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kind of a silly question but will any of the new security features and such potentially slow down the system?
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LOL. Judge, jury, and executioner.
 
Leadpaint
But if they had outdated server software and no firewall, as suggested in the recent Congressional hearing, then they must take some of the blame for this outage. There is no excuse for that crap.:)
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Sony may still yet accept blame for not having state of the art protection; that in no way excuses exploiting the security hole. Instead of blaming Sony for not having "provisions in place to prevent this hacking", how about "do not hack"? The hackers involved are the one causing the trouble, not Sony. Unlike children who respond in much the same manner to being unwillingly punched, i.e. a punch back, Sony is not hitting back, instead Sony is trying to fix the problem in a responsible manner; but like first kid's punch, had the hacking not happened in the first place, none of this would have been an issue.
 
VashTheStampede
Sony may still yet accept blame for not having state of the art protection; that in no way excuses exploiting the security hole. Instead of blaming Sony for not having "provisions in place to prevent this hacking", how about "do not hack"? The hackers involved are the one causing the trouble, not Sony. Unlike children who respond in much the same manner to being unwillingly punched, i.e. a punch back, Sony is not hitting back, instead Sony is trying to fix the problem in a responsible manner; but like first kid's punch, had the hacking not happened in the first place, none of this would have been an issue.
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In a PERFECT world that would make sense. But this is reality and the perfect world doesn't exist. Sony is a huge company and should know better. It sounds like someone just didn't want to put in the work that was needed to do it right the first time and this was the outcome. Yes. IMO they should be held partially responsible. Especially with peoples personal info and financials involved.
 
VashTheStampede
Sony may still yet accept blame for not having state of the art protection; that in no way excuses exploiting the security hole. Instead of blaming Sony for not having "provisions in place to prevent this hacking", how about "do not hack"? The hackers involved are the one causing the trouble, not Sony. Unlike children who respond in much the same manner to being unwillingly punched, i.e. a punch back, Sony is not hitting back, instead Sony is trying to fix the problem in a responsible manner; but like first kid's punch, had the hacking not happened in the first place, none of this would have been an issue.
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You don't by chance work for Sony do you?

So what you are saying is, if a bank was robbed at night, and it turned out that the alarm was not working, that would not be an issue if it was not robbed in the first place?

"We are working around the clock to restore the PSN"

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I would love to see the ages of the folks who support Sony and the ages of the people who fault Sony in this thread.

Not trying to be condescending but I bet there is a pattern/correlation
 
Leadpaint
So what you are saying is
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This is my favourite phrase when used in any discussion. It generally means "I'm going to reword what you said and get it wrong".

Leadpaint
if a bank was robbed at night, and it turned out that the alarm was not working, that would not be an issue if it was not robbed in the first place?
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The alarm was working. The robbers disabled it (using information about alarms from a couple of years ago that they found on the internets) so they remained undetected.
 
Famine
The alarm was working. The robbers disabled it (using information about alarms from a couple of years ago that they found on the internets) so they remained undetected.
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No! The alarm not working is Sony having no firewall (and outdated software) as stated in the congressional hearing.Also , if the information the robbers used to disable the alarm was on the internet, why didn't Sony see that and fix it? :)
 
Leadpaint
You don't by chance work for Sony do you?

So what you are saying is, if a bank was robbed at night, and it turned out that the alarm was not working, that would not be an issue if it was not robbed in the first place?

"We are working around the clock to restore the PSN"

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young cute girl gets raped after leaving a cocktail party. The assailant gets away.

You think anyone is going to say to her "Welp, this wouldn't have been a problem if you weren't wearing that dress."
 
Leadpaint
No! The alarm not working is Sony having no firewall (and outdated software) as stated in the congressional hearing. :)
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No, as claimed by someone who has no direct access to or experience with Sony's network.

Please do not forget that claim (and that's what it is) is based on a conversation on a forum he found by people who claim that Sony had no firewall and outdated software.

I could claim the exact opposite here....

'Sony had the best firewall ever and all the software was as up to date as it could be'


...doesn't make it anything other than an unsubstantiated claim and should be treated exactly as such (not repeated as if fact).


Scaff
 

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