Current PSN outage: Don't abuse or we lose this thread.

[DA__dogg]

Honestly, these people complaining don't remember the old days of network play. Before Steam even, where you had to sift through server lists to find populated ones, then make sure the admins weren't tools, and so on. And even with Steam, the first couple of years of that were a nightmare.

Given how long PSN has been around, it really hasn't had much issue with down time for a free service. And then seeing grown mean act like toddlers that had their binky taken away, or even wanting to physically hurt people - pretty damn hilarious, the man children these days.

Yes. We aren't paying for the use of PSN other than the hardware and games. It hasn't been a week yet. I really don't miss it to be honest. There are other things in life besides playstation. The only thing that sucks for me is not being able to contact the people in my racing series. Oh well lol.

 

[XxOnLySBz4mExX]

OFF TOPIC: What is "Steam", I notice many people talking about it?

 

[DA__dogg]

OFF TOPIC: What is "Steam", I notice many people talking about it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29

I had to look it up to find out what Steam was. Pretty interesting imo.

 

[Daniel]

It's like XBL or PSN for PCs.
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Edit: Damn, Tree'd

 

[Tornado]

Honestly, these people complaining don't remember the old days of network play. Before Steam even, where you had to sift through server lists to find populated ones, then make sure the admins weren't tools, and so on. And even with Steam, the first couple of years of that were a nightmare.

Given how long PSN has been around, it really hasn't had much issue with down time for a free service. And then seeing grown mean act like toddlers that had their binky taken away, or even wanting to physically hurt people - pretty damn hilarious, the man children these days.

But but but but... we pay for PSN...[/waaaaambulance]

OFF TOPIC: What is "Steam", I notice many people talking about it?

PSN on the computer, basically. Or the other way around, to be more accurate.

 

[XxOnLySBz4mExX]

Thanks everyone.

 

[Azuremen]

It's like XBL or PSN for PCs.
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Edit: Damn, Tree'd

Aside from that being backwards - Steam was the model example of a network system in which you could also buy the games through. Back in 2003, it was pretty novel concept, as the only major online gaming networks were HL based game directories for servers and Battle.net for Diablo and StarCraft. There were also things like the Sierra network bits, but very little that was unifying it.

Steam is, in my opinion, vastly superior to PSN or XBOX because I can purchase full titles through it and not have to muck around with buying and inserting discs, nor keeping track of them since all my owned games are tied directly to my account.

Though this PSN and Steam thing will be neat; it will be hilarious to completely dismantle FPS PS3 gamers using the PC mouse and keyboard setup. Will be like clubbing baby seals.

 

[Dravonic]

The whole "PSN is free" argument doesn't hold much water to me because, well, would you even buy a PS3 if there was no PSN? I'm not sure I would. A lot of the PS3's value is aggregated with PSN. Essentially, I only bought a PS3 because, well, PSN was there.

If used as a way to say we should cut sony some slack since we are not paying for it, then I agree to some extent. I mean, since I never bothered paying for plus, this whole situation boils down to an inconvenience, nothing more. But to use the "it's free" argument as a way to completely rid sony of any responsibility, as if they could just turn it off for good and nobody would have reason to complain, I'm sorry but no.

 

[Azuremen]

If used as a way to say we should cut sony some slack since we are not paying for it, then I agree to some extent. I mean, since I never bothered paying for plus, this whole situation boils down to an inconvenience, nothing more. But to use the "it's free" argument as a way to completely rid sony of any responsibility, as if they could just turn it off for good and nobody would have reason to complain, I'm sorry but no.

But they can just turn it off and not be bothered with it. They have zero obligation to keep it up; the only reason they do is that they generate money via the digital sales and random advertising they can use with it.

 

[Tower Turn 13]

Sony can't afford to not have internet access for their games in this era when PC gaming and Xbox live are so heavily integrated. It would be extremely stupid of Sony to not give their gamers internet service for their games. It would, I feel, kill their gaming franchise with a bat with nails in it. It would be a slaughter. They need to get the service back up and they know it.

That said this downtime has been the first complaint I've had. As with PSN having its little quirks, well, I know it doesn't cost me anything so as long as it works I'm okay.

I'm also not moaning just saying what I think are the facts.

 

[OLDSKOOLACURA]

PSN is down, yes it sucks.

Let them do their job, and because of this I hope they strengthen their security so it never happens again.

until it's back on I will be studying for my college finals and playing SOCOM 4

 

[DA__dogg]

But they can just turn it off and not be bothered with it. They have zero obligation to keep it up; the only reason they do is that they generate money via the digital sales and random advertising they can use with it.

No obligation? The moment they shut down the psn for good with no online capability, is the moment when there would be a mass exodus to the 360. PSN connection is required for online play so.......

 

[Dravonic]

But they can just turn it off and not be bothered with it. They have zero obligation to keep it up; the only reason they do is that they generate money via the digital sales and random advertising they can use with it.

They legally can turn it off, sure. Someone in this thread already showed how sony took care of the legal mumbo jumbo.

That's not what I mean though. What I mean is how PSN is an integral part of the PS3 itself, and how it would loose much of it's value without it. So while it's free, it has value attached to it, even if not monetary value.

Put simply, if PSN outages were to become frequent or if it was scraped altogether, I would not go: "Meh, it was free, so whatever". I would go: "This is bs. Not buying another sony console anytime soon".

 

[The Outlaw]

But they can just turn it off and not be bothered with it. They have zero obligation to keep it up; the only reason they do is that they generate money via the digital sales and random advertising they can use with it.

Lets not forget that PSN provides the games producers (like PD) with a way of finishing/fixing their game after a rushed release, by providing a link to continually update (GT5 has had 9 of them so far iirc) through this network.

With that said, it better not cost (or even worse, not be able to) me a damn thing to be able to update my game to what was advertised on the box cover, or to fix general errors and glitches with the game that shouldn't be there in the first place.

 

[Tower Turn 13]

Agreed with the above (dravonic). There would be a mass exodus to PC and Microsoft. And I mean mass.

 

[Azuremen]

No obligation? The moment they shut down the psn for good with no online capability, is the moment when there would be a mass exodus to the 360. PSN connection is required for online play so.......

You seem to have missed the part where I mentioned money. There is a difference between needing to do something and wanting to do something; please keep that in mind.

They legally can turn it off, sure. Someone in this thread already showed how sony took care of the legal mumbo jumbo.

That's not what I mean though. What I mean is how PSN is an integral part of the PS3 itself, and how it would loose much of it's value without it. So while it's free, it has value attached to it, even if not monetary value.

Put simply, if PSN outages were to become frequent or if it was scraped altogether, I would not go: "Meh, it was free, so whatever". I would go: "This is bs. Not buying another sony console anytime soon".

See what I said above.

Lets not forget that PSN provides the games producers (like PD) with a way of finishing/fixing their game after a rushed release, by providing a link to continually update (GT5 has had 9 of them so far iirc) through this network.

With that said, it better not cost (or even worse, not be able to) me a damn thing to be able to update my game to what was advertised on the box cover, or to fix general errors and glitches with the game that shouldn't be there in the first place.

You do realize you don't actually need PSN to get updates, but rather just the Internet access? PD and other developers could very well run and maintain their own servers for updates and have games check those directly rather than being lazy and relying on PSN to handle all that.

 

[rumblina]

All trolling/arguements aside, I (as a PS3 user that has been away camping for the past 4 days) am getting annoyed at the fact it is still down. I have had server outages on various other games in my 12-odd years of online play but this is getting rediculous. It died last Thursday for me (Australia), and it is now Tuesday evening and the best they can say is 'it will be back up @ sometime but we cannot say when'. Yes, it is time intensive but to HAVE to take it down for 5 days (almost 6 so far) over a long weekend due to their own network security limitations, poorly designed firmware & oversight will not be of any consolation to their millions of customers, let alone a mentionable selling point with the NGP/next PS.

P.S: I have been away for the last 3 days camping so haven't missed it, I am just annoyed it is still down after that amount of time.

 

[BWX]

^^Yeah I thought it would be up by now too. Oh well, what can you do? Nothing, just wait.

 

[rumblina]

^^Yeah I thought it would be up by now too. Oh well, what can you do? Nothing, just wait.

As long as it is up before May 7 (at this rate, who knows?). I need to do my GT5 Tuner Challange races

EDIT: At least I have been able to clear my PVR backlog today what with the rain

 

[NLxAROSA]

PD and other developers could very well run and maintain their own servers for updates and have games check those directly rather than being lazy and relying on PSN to handle all that.

They already do. I updated several games already (Shift 2, Red Faction) with PSN being offline (not sure it applies to all developers though). The only reason for games to require PSN is because they need a way to identify you (profile/trophy syncing etc.). All other communication (e.g. between players) is already to dedicated servers or P2P. And companies like EA already have their own online identity service (e.g. NFS, Crysis 2), so technically, those wouldn't need signing in to PSN either. At least it's not as bad as some CAPCOM games, which don't work at all right now, not even offline.

As for the service being free: PSN-Plus offers paid services (e.g. online backup) that are also not available now. So they definitely DO have an obligation to keep it online (no EULA can wave away your legal rights, and keep in mind that consumer laws in EU are VERY different from US). That said: Sony would never take it offline unless it were really, really serious. This is costing them serious money and customers.

Being a Plus-user myself, I am disappointed that it is taking this long, but if this is what it takes to fix it, then so be it. No need to rant all about it on some forum.

 

[Darren.]

People, accept it, PSN is down. As I aforementioned in another forum, do something else. And when PSN goes back up, be glad you've got it. That is all.

 

[Xenn]

The real reason PSN is down?

 

[rumblina]

People, accept it, PSN is down. As I aforementioned in another forum, do something else. And when PSN goes back up, be glad you've got it. That is all.

Based on your "willing to wait 24hrs" post, I am guessing you will be posting anger in this thread in about 8 hours

I am currently watching a Nat Geo 'Bugatti" special, showing how they went about creating the Veyron, which is actually a quite interesting show. Six foot flame from the exhaust on the initial test model... wow! And the fix, even more WOW!

 

[Darren.]

Based on your "willing to wait 24hrs" post, I am guessing you will be posting anger in this thread in about 8 hours

I am currently watching a Nat Geo 'Bugatti" special, showing how they went about creating the Veyron which is actually quite interesting. Six foot flame form the exhaust on the initial test model... wow! And the fix, even more WOW!

Not necessarily, I think PSN will be back up in a few hours because as opposed to the easter holiday weekend where there were 100s of people re-building the PSN infrastructure, there are now 1000s doing it so no problems there.

 

[Concreterain]

Is there any possibility when the infrastructure is rebuilt , we might benefit
better quality connections , less hackers ect. ?

 

[rumblina]

Security (aka hakers) most likely (as long as they are true to their 'word'). As for connections, they come down to where you are in relation to the server you are connecting to, your latency, etc.

 

[SmokingCones]

Is there any possibility when the infrastructure is rebuilt , we might benefit
better quality connections , less hackers ect. ?

Sony stated they're rebuilding a beefed up system to enhance security, so I'm leaning to say yes.

But on the other side, hackers vs. corporations is a never-ending cat & mice game...

 

[brambos]

I hope they find these 'hackers' and make an example out of them.

Hackers always claim they're some kind of rebel vigilant heroes for the people, doing Robin-Hoodesque things for the greater good, but I feel they're just a bunch of spotty spoilt brats with too much time doing nerdy, yet illegal things in their mom's basement.

They can go play in traffic for all I'm concerned. That Geohot loser can go first.

 

[Azuremen]

I hope they find these 'hackers' and make an example out of them.

Hackers always claim they're some kind of rebel vigilant heroes for the people, doing Robin-Hoodesque things for the greater good, but I feel they're just a bunch of spotty spoilt brats with too much time doing nerdy, yet illegal things in their mom's basement.

They can go play in traffic for all I'm concerned. That Geohot loser can go first.

Dang, wishing death on people because they kept you from playing some videos games on the internet. Serious business.

Also, making an example out of an international group of hackers would be quite the feat. Just saying.

 

[mekonrider]

Those 'nerds' will eventually get proper industry jobs and earn more than most people posting on here (cue loads of posts from millionaires that play GT5 rather than drive the real thing...)

Amazing really how people hate nerds but their lives revolve around things they've created.