Current PSN outage: Don't abuse or we lose this thread.

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First toyota .sunami,nuclear,and now psn.Wow :nervous:Maybe it is time to buy american.Grampa always warned me about their products.:dopey:

Yes I'll buy GM. They're doing much better than overseas automobile markets, such as, say, Japan. :sly:

But seriously, I don't think it's a regional thing that can be painted in a broad stroke. All those things are unrelated and the only person I can blame out of the things mentioned is Toyota, if you're referring to the brakes issues. Ultimately I think Sony is doing the right thing about this issue, and as frustrating as their tight-lipped PR is, I can understand how, legally, they're liable for everything they write on their blog or elsewhere. The string of crap the company is probably going through right now is probably quite intense and tangled.
 
Okay, since my link was deleted (because it apparently violates something in the rules, sorry about that to the mods), there is a video about sony that I feel applies funnily to our current situation, it is on youtube just type in "sony" and "onion" and it will probably pop right up. It's the way some of us feel with our frustration right now I'm sure :).

Language warning: it curses heavily throughout the entire video, but if you can handle the language (if you are a mature adult with a salty mind) the onion is pretty great. "I pretty much buy anything I see on a commercial." :)

Anyway everyone can go back to moping now.

EDIT: also wanted to thank Scaff for contributing to the thread and keeping it in line :). I'm really thankful to the mods for letting this thread remain open for all of us who are scouring the net for information and posting it here.
 
Sort of. If we are to believe these stories then the loophole allowed hackers (and/or pirates, but we'll lump them together just for fun ;)) to get in to the dev network and pirate PSN content and un-ban (and presumably access to ban as well) accounts.

I'm still completely meh over the whole thing. Loopholes will always be found, if what we're reading is true, then Sony had no choice to take it down, so I really couldn't care less. It happens.

Though I do want to do some MW2 killing, plenty of other things to do on the PS3 without PSN.

What's the bet that that 'loophole' was found on a hacked system? If it can open dev tools on the PS3 I find it very likely it could open dev tools on PSN.
It's frustrating but PSN will be up when it's fixed, theres no point Sony rushing it back on and leaving another loophole open.
 
Just want to point out netflix still works fine without PSN, even though it suggests you "must be signed in" to use it. Simply attempt to sign in to PSN and it will load the screen where you can select what you want to watch. Then you can just watch those programs and use the netflix app normally.

This is at least how it works for me. Good to know netflix is lying to us (or Sony is, not sure which). But we kinda figured that from the way they treat PR for this outage :)

EDIT: it's possible my netflix app is glitching and that's why I can use it, but hey it's worth a try.

Damn I keep getting that PSN warning in an infinite loop.

I hadn't used Netflix for streaming in a while and had to download an update after this PSN outage though... so maybe that has something to do with it? On my 52" I really only like 1080p BD movies anyway.. I see too much compression in Netflix streaming even with 20+ Mbits/Sec.

Not good enough selection for HD streaming for me anyway, but it would be ok until I get a new PS3 or BluRay player. Maybe I'll try some more.. must be something will work to get Netflix streaming working if others can.
 
I guess I used PSN more than I thought. Kind of missing it a little now. It is nice to be able to at least use netflix. Might get something done at home for a change.
 
Even though this is off-topic, just wanted to state that ^ is all a matter of opinion. As I have my PS3 which I got a month after release, and it is still working just fine for me. I know several with the old huge, tower ps3's that are functional. I've never owned/used a slim one for extended time but 4.5 years with the original seems pretty durable to me. & my old roommate has had a slim one for 2 years - doing just fine.

Its perfectly possible to remove card details once they have been added, I've done so a number of times.

I think that's more than a slight exaggeration, given that my own launch day PS3 lasted far more than a year and its replacement has been working fine for more than two.

Yes the PS3 (and the 360) both have had issues, but to state they don't last a year is borderline flame-bait, something this thread doesn't need.

No one said it did, but that you feel you need to add this comment speak volumes itself.

You two 'points' were a mixture of downright wrong and highly misleading, and given the AUP states....

...I would suggest a more cautious approach in future.


Scaff

Well, I am speaking from personal experience and my 2007 fat 60 gb lasted barely 13 months before it needed extensive repairs. And it got a YLOD within a year of repair. So in my case, it did happen. I also know that users like yourselves have had it running without problems ever since release but that is no consolation to me. So it should be no surprise that I feel bitter about it.

I didn't state as fact that ALL ps3s fail in a year. I said, if you are unlucky it'll barely last even that long so it is a mixture of opinion and fact. I'm sorry if I mislead anyone because I didn't mean to.

I thought that since I wasn't accusing anyone in particular of being a fanboy, it would absolve me of any violation of AUP. In any case, I'm tired of reading anyone criticizing Sony being automatically associated with hacking or part of some other conspiracy theory.

Now I will let this thread get back on topic.

EDIT: Actually, can someone tell me how to delete credit card info from PSN account? I never saw such an option.
 
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Let me remind everyone to make sure all posts are in English. This is an English speaking forum, and thus everyone needs to be able to understand what is written, including the mods.

Thank you



;)
 
Something different is happening with PSN sign in. Instead of that instant "maintenance'' message, it waits several seconds while displaying "signing in to playstation network" or something similar, and then after a while gives a regular error again like it did before the outage (80710092). Then it goes to a "suggested actions" prompt.

So at least something is different. Maybe it will work soon.
 
Well, I am speaking from personal experience and my 2007 fat 60 gb lasted barely 13 months before it needed extensive repairs. And it got a YLOD within a year of repair. So in my case, it did happen. I also know that users like yourselves have had it running without problems ever since release but that is no consolation to me. So it should be no surprise that I feel bitter about it.

I didn't state as fact that ALL ps3s fail in a year. I said, if you are unlucky it'll barely last even that long so it is a mixture of opinion and fact. I'm sorry if I mislead anyone because I didn't mean to.
You spoke from a general point of view, not a personal one.

I had a Denon AV amp go bang after 14 months, doesn't mean they all do it or even close. However your post came close to implying it was a common issue with all Sony products ("Sony used to be known for durable quality products") and the PS3 in particular ("The PS3 is a very fragile system that doesn't last more than a year if you're unlucky").

Taking a personal experience and using as a global example is rarely accurate.


I thought that since I wasn't accusing anyone in particular of being a fanboy, it would absolve me of any violation of AUP. In any case, I'm tired of reading anyone criticizing Sony being automatically associated with hacking or part of some other conspiracy theory.
The AUP:

AUP
You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group.

You don't have to target an individual for it to be an issue, and implying anyone who disagreed with you falls into the fanboy category (a term in itself we don't much like among the staff) is not an ideal move.




Now I will let this thread get back on topic.
Excellent idea

EDIT: Actually, can someone tell me how to delete credit card info from PSN account? I never saw such an option.
Without access to the PSN I can't tell you specifically, but you do have the option when viewing card details to 'remove' them.


Scaff
 
Okay, since my link was deleted (because it apparently violates something in the rules, sorry about that to the mods), there is a video about sony that I feel applies funnily to our current situation, it is on youtube just type in "sony" and "onion" and it will probably pop right up. It's the way some of us feel with our frustration right now I'm sure :).

Language warning: it curses heavily throughout the entire video, but if you can handle the language (if you are a mature adult with a salty mind) the onion is pretty great. "I pretty much buy anything I see on a commercial." :)

Yes, one of the funniest clips on youtube. :lol: You can post it like this:

!!! Warning: contains loads of offensive language !!!

Removed - it has an expletive in the title. Post it as a link. Don't embed it - and I've removed this from your posts three times now. Not impressed.


Nothing, Sonys gone quiet

EDIT I found this

... Martin then clarifies possible changes to the service, "the only change the consumer may see is to the way we log in to PSN."

"Automated logins may be disabled, which is what a lot of the Distributed Denial of Service attack programs use to strain the servers." ...



A good gambit to improve the network. Less connected users, more network speed. I don't care about pressing 2 buttons more.

If this also fix the auto disconnects after some hours, then both thumbs up. 👍👍
 
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I have just been lead to an article by playstation via Facebook which states they are getting an outside security company to look at the problem and they will try to strengthen the security of the network.
 
Latest news:

Valued PlayStation Network/Qriocity Customer,
We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011, certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account information was compromised in connection with an illegal and unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this intrusion, we have:
1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;
2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full and complete investigation into what happened; and
3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our network infrastructure by re-building our system to provide you with greater protection of your personal information.
We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and efficiently as practicable.
Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state/province, zip or postal code), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity passwords and login, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained. While there is no evidence that credit card data was taken at this time, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, to be on the safe side we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may also have been obtained.
For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email, asking for your credit card number, social security, tax identification or similar number or other personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well.
To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we encourage you to remain vigilant to review your account statements and to monitor your credit or similar types of reports.
We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation of this incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are working around the clock on this, and services will be restored as soon as possible. Sony takes information protection very seriously and will continue to work to ensure that additional measures are taken to protect personally identifiable information. Providing quality and secure entertainment services to our customers is our utmost priority. Please check www.eu.playstation.com/psnoutage should you have any additional questions.
Sincerely,
Sony Network Entertainment and Sony Computer Entertainment Teams
Sony Network Entertainment Europe Limited (formerly known as PlayStation Network Europe Limited) is a subsidiary of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Limited the data controller for PlayStation Network/Qriocity personal data.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/04/26/psnqriocity-service-update/
 
I'll just be updating the sticky now, and adding the words "Uh oh"...
 
US Version, slightly different:

Valued PlayStation Network/Qriocity Customer:
We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011, certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account information was compromised in connection with an illegal and unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this intrusion, we have:

1.Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;
2.Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full and complete investigation into what happened; and
3.Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our network infrastructure by re-building our system to provide you with greater protection of your personal information.
We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and efficiently as practicable.

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained. While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained.

For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email, asking for your credit card number, social security number or other personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well.

To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements and to monitor your credit reports. We are providing the following information for those who wish to consider it:

U.S. residents are entitled under U.S. law to one free credit report annually from each of the three major credit bureaus. To order your free credit report, visit www.annualcreditreport.com or call toll-free (877) 322-8228.

We have also provided names and contact information for the three major U.S. credit bureaus below. At no charge, U.S. residents can have these credit bureaus place a “fraud alert” on your file that alerts creditors to take additional steps to verify your identity prior to granting credit in your name. This service can make it more difficult for someone to get credit in your name. Note, however, that because it tells creditors to follow certain procedures to protect you, it also may delay your ability to obtain credit while the agency verifies your identity. As soon as one credit bureau confirms your fraud alert, the others are notified to place fraud alerts on your file. Should you wish to place a fraud alert, or should you have any questions regarding your credit report, please contact any one of the agencies listed below.

Experian: 888-397-3742; www.experian.com; P.O. Box 9532, Allen, TX 75013
Equifax: 800-525-6285; www.equifax.com; P.O. Box 740241, Atlanta, GA 30374-0241
TransUnion: 800-680-7289; www.transunion.com; Fraud Victim Assistance Division, P.O. Box 6790, Fullerton, CA 92834-6790

You may wish to visit the web site of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission at www.consumer.gov/idtheft or reach the FTC at 1-877-382-4357 or 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20580 for further information about how to protect yourself from identity theft. Your state Attorney General may also have advice on preventing identity theft, and you should report instances of known or suspected identity theft to law enforcement, your State Attorney General, and the FTC. For North Carolina residents, the Attorney General can be contacted at 9001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-9001; telephone (877) 566-7226; or www.ncdoj.gov. For Maryland residents, the Attorney General can be contacted at 200 St. Paul Place, 16th Floor, Baltimore, MD 21202; telephone: (888) 743-0023; or www.oag.state.md.us.

We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation of this incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are working around the clock on this, and services will be restored as soon as possible. Sony takes information protection very seriously and will continue to work to ensure that additional measures are taken to protect personally identifiable information. Providing quality and secure entertainment services to our customers is our utmost priority. Please contact us at 1-800-345-7669 should you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,
Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Network Entertainment
 
From the us psn blog: We have a clear path to have PlayStation Network and Qriocity systems back online, and expect to restore some services within a week.

Holy cow, that is a long time in internet time. Glad I don't have CC info on the PSN!
 
I have a couple of cards on PSN accounts, since they are always maxed out though am more bothered that somebody may have/has my PSN login details for my main account. Have been playing GTA4 on that since release date, nearly on rank 10 and would be pissed if I had to start that again, also months of hard work on GT5 would be down the pan. I think they could at least give users access to login to the PSN website and change our details if required.
 
This is not good. And the whole part about changing the way we log in could potentially affect the grinder. :nervous:
 
BWX
Something different is happening with PSN sign in. Instead of that instant "maintenance'' message, it waits several seconds while displaying "signing in to playstation network" or something similar, and then after a while gives a regular error again like it did before the outage (80710092). Then it goes to a "suggested actions" prompt.

So at least something is different. Maybe it will work soon.

It's just your connection being bad. 👎
 
Jesus. I have my credit card linked to my main account just like millions of people do round the world. I have been checking my account online more so than usual ever since this outage happened. First thing I'm going to do is change my password whenever the psn is back up.
 
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