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This has to be the lightest tap of the history of taps.
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- Thread starter LordDrift
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- Ontario
- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
Haha still going on about door numbers.
It's not that difficult, write out the numbers, for example
12615
4573
25600
63452
9872
402
Sort them left to right
12615
25600
402
4573
63452
9872
The one at the bottom gets door number 1, the one at the top door number 6.
The 'sort' only works when all numbers are the same length, which is 10,000 or more, DR.B or higher.
(Although technically a DR.C driver can have over 10,000 DR by still being in SR.C, but never mind that)
Beating your door number means nothing, not even when the 'sort' works. It all depends where the others finish.
Here's 3 races I tracked long ago to figure out whether DR inflates (it does) by adding in points at the bottom.
They are listed in finishing order, door number in front, DR before and after the race.
3 7191 -> 7961
9 11874 -> 12389
2 7326 -> 7774
10 10238 -> 10469
5 5530 -> 5696
1 8279 -> 8231
8 13352 -> 13043
7 13463 -> 12993
6 15089 -> 14428
4 6198 -> 5556
Total before 98,540
Total after 98,540
1 49656 -> 49811
3 28445 -> 28806
6 19684 -> 20060
9 14639 -> 14960
4 28202 -> 28089
5 26664 -> 26425
8 1669 -> 1753
2 292 -> 241
7 17390 -> 16859
10 1 -> 1
Total before: 186,642
Total after: 187,005 +363 10 gives out points but can't lose them
5 19871 -> 20293
4 412 -> 1064
7 16766 -> 16933
3 5250 -> 5489
10 1 -> 183
2 5312 -> 5230
1 967 -> 812
8 1298 -> 979
9 1 -> 1
6 1931 -> 1280
Total before: 51,809
Total after: 52,264 +455 9 gives out points but can't lose them
The formula to exchange points per player is 80 + (DR difference / 500).
In the last example number 9 gives out these amounts to each player in order
- 40 - 79 - 46 - 69 - 80 - 69 - 78 - 77 + 83 = -455 (but stays at 1 so more DR enters the total pool)
9 gives 80 - ceil((19871-1) / 500) = 40 points to 5 (ceil() means round up)
and 80 - ceil((412-1)/500) = 79 points to 4
...
and finally 9 receives 80 + floor((1931-1)/500) = 83 points from 6. (floor() round down)
which is the opposite for 6 who gives 80 - ceil((1-1931)/500) = 83
Racing, it's just a bunch of numbers.
It's not that difficult, write out the numbers, for example
12615
4573
25600
63452
9872
402
Sort them left to right
12615
25600
402
4573
63452
9872
The one at the bottom gets door number 1, the one at the top door number 6.
The 'sort' only works when all numbers are the same length, which is 10,000 or more, DR.B or higher.
(Although technically a DR.C driver can have over 10,000 DR by still being in SR.C, but never mind that)
Beating your door number means nothing, not even when the 'sort' works. It all depends where the others finish.
Here's 3 races I tracked long ago to figure out whether DR inflates (it does) by adding in points at the bottom.
They are listed in finishing order, door number in front, DR before and after the race.
3 7191 -> 7961
9 11874 -> 12389
2 7326 -> 7774
10 10238 -> 10469
5 5530 -> 5696
1 8279 -> 8231
8 13352 -> 13043
7 13463 -> 12993
6 15089 -> 14428
4 6198 -> 5556
Total before 98,540
Total after 98,540
1 49656 -> 49811
3 28445 -> 28806
6 19684 -> 20060
9 14639 -> 14960
4 28202 -> 28089
5 26664 -> 26425
8 1669 -> 1753
2 292 -> 241
7 17390 -> 16859
10 1 -> 1
Total before: 186,642
Total after: 187,005 +363 10 gives out points but can't lose them
5 19871 -> 20293
4 412 -> 1064
7 16766 -> 16933
3 5250 -> 5489
10 1 -> 183
2 5312 -> 5230
1 967 -> 812
8 1298 -> 979
9 1 -> 1
6 1931 -> 1280
Total before: 51,809
Total after: 52,264 +455 9 gives out points but can't lose them
The formula to exchange points per player is 80 + (DR difference / 500).
In the last example number 9 gives out these amounts to each player in order
- 40 - 79 - 46 - 69 - 80 - 69 - 78 - 77 + 83 = -455 (but stays at 1 so more DR enters the total pool)
9 gives 80 - ceil((19871-1) / 500) = 40 points to 5 (ceil() means round up)
and 80 - ceil((412-1)/500) = 79 points to 4
...
and finally 9 receives 80 + floor((1931-1)/500) = 83 points from 6. (floor() round down)
which is the opposite for 6 who gives 80 - ceil((1-1931)/500) = 83
Racing, it's just a bunch of numbers.
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- United States
Hey guys! Tonight I had the most fun in dailies I think I’ve ever had! I was within 600 points of A-DR! A milestone that felt meaningful, giving the next race substance, risk, and reward!
In this bracket I qualify at around p10 and am more than thrilled to finish there, requiring my best driving. It took 3 races! Finishing p10 and p9 and p9.
But I got it!!! The elusive (too me) DR A!!!
Every race was filled with familiar faces....or names... whatever, and every race I battled them all repeatedly. Fuji + Gr. 2 both seem to give me my biggest leaps in skill, forcing every touch of the brakes and gas to be done with purpose.
They were all some of the best racing of my career. Not without their slips and wobbles, but for me it was the top of my game.
The gaps meant something - strategy meant something - tenths meant something - pushing/patience/defending made a difference in the end - and so on
These are things I’ve only had glimpses of in racing, and they were all here at every moment and it just felt good to compete this way in the mid-field!
Long clean and hard battles, mixed up by pit stops, only to come back again was fun. I practiced a lot of patience and was really able to turn it on when I was ready to make a move. Constantly in the mix with familiar drivers, knowing their corners alittle.
So with the element of these races having meaning, and not folding under pressure, and driving at MY best, I just had a blast! This is what I want from GTS, and hope I continue to find it here.
Thank you everyone in the GTP community and in TPC for making the silly task of achieving DR-A; something to work for, something that had meaning, and something to be achieved only when I’m at my best!!!!
In this bracket I qualify at around p10 and am more than thrilled to finish there, requiring my best driving. It took 3 races! Finishing p10 and p9 and p9.
But I got it!!! The elusive (too me) DR A!!!
Every race was filled with familiar faces....or names... whatever, and every race I battled them all repeatedly. Fuji + Gr. 2 both seem to give me my biggest leaps in skill, forcing every touch of the brakes and gas to be done with purpose.
They were all some of the best racing of my career. Not without their slips and wobbles, but for me it was the top of my game.
The gaps meant something - strategy meant something - tenths meant something - pushing/patience/defending made a difference in the end - and so on
These are things I’ve only had glimpses of in racing, and they were all here at every moment and it just felt good to compete this way in the mid-field!
Long clean and hard battles, mixed up by pit stops, only to come back again was fun. I practiced a lot of patience and was really able to turn it on when I was ready to make a move. Constantly in the mix with familiar drivers, knowing their corners alittle.
So with the element of these races having meaning, and not folding under pressure, and driving at MY best, I just had a blast! This is what I want from GTS, and hope I continue to find it here.
Thank you everyone in the GTP community and in TPC for making the silly task of achieving DR-A; something to work for, something that had meaning, and something to be achieved only when I’m at my best!!!!
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- Brisbane
- housej
aha! I had the door numbers backwards
Groundfish
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- 4,363
- United States
- 2,794
- New Plymouth
That sounds great, way to go!
It is funny how getting close but never having been there really ramps up all the feeling in the races. I had never sweat so much since my first race the night I was trying to crack A, and the sense of accomplishment is real. So is you getting there.
Keep at it, the confidence of having gotten there is a nice boost. 👍
Ooh I finally got it, thank you. So the thing I heard about this being SR related is kind of true, but not because of SR but because lower SR usually results in lower rated lobbies, which increases your chances of getting matched with a DR. C driver or lower.
Obviously this also means that back at my post earlier the sorting was always alphabetical.
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- Russian immigrant
- cosmicosme
- AlexSpace28
Had a 3s penalty for a similar incident on that corner as well. The bump was so imperceptible I didn't even notice it. it I think car models didn't actually had any contact, at least in my case
- 1,811
- California, USA
- Mistah_MCA
I have spinned myself out of track not to touch the other car. It is hard to believe but true.
- 197
- Mozambique
- 51,749
- Australia
- SpacedustDaddy
Yeah, Fuji in a Truck will be insane. Might take a while. 
As for a Race B, just ran an initial one lap each, in the "real" GT4 cars versus the RC F. I'm thinking the British Bulldogs are back on my menu. Did those two get upgrades, the last err,..
upgrade?
As for a Race B, just ran an initial one lap each, in the "real" GT4 cars versus the RC F. I'm thinking the British Bulldogs are back on my menu. Did those two get upgrades, the last err,..
upgrade?
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- Poland
- LVS_1986
As you said... Theres nothing to debate in my opinion. Its overtaking driver responsibility to make it clean. Way to agressive/optimistic to not say stupid.
And to not be misundertood IM NOT JUDGING mr @Facosao
Its just my opinion in this situation
- 4,566
- Australia
Sportsmanship is really temperamental. Went from SR A to SR E in two races and I only clocked up 3 seconds worth of penalties across both races. That doesn't make sense to me.
- 882
- United Kingdom
Fuji again? Really.
Monza is an SR destroyer but I did enjoy and race it often with pull over L1 before the chicane and drive through ghosts strategy. Increased tyre (9x > 13x) and fuel (2x > 6x) multipliers so not a straight up copy, at least.
It's not a bad week although I wish seldom used Sainte Croix came back every once in a while rather than the current rate of once a year.
Monza is an SR destroyer but I did enjoy and race it often with pull over L1 before the chicane and drive through ghosts strategy. Increased tyre (9x > 13x) and fuel (2x > 6x) multipliers so not a straight up copy, at least.
It's not a bad week although I wish seldom used Sainte Croix came back every once in a while rather than the current rate of once a year.
As you said... Theres nothing to debate in my opinion. Its overtaking driver responsibility to make it clean. Way to agressive/optimistic to not say stupid.
And to not be misundertood IM NOT JUDGING mr @Facosao
Its just my opinion in this situation
What if there are multiple all equally perfect racing lines?
What if the rival cars have lots of difference in their breaking and acceleration capability?
What if the battling pilots have much difference in their skills?
You wouldnt like my attack at Nur chicane from the outside but i believe its fair.
I managed to pass there three times/two of them no contact. look at the f1 battles, they also make unpredictable moves, bottas vs hamilton, schumacher vs alonso etc... Sometimes they get really dirty when defending, example hamilton. Also max verstappen may always come to have his unique racing lines.
Once i made the attack and hold the advantage, the defender must avoid a collision.
Sorry i havent been practicing my english lately.
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- Rule 12
- GTP_Famine
It's called "alphabetic sorting" because it's how one would list words in a dictionary.
You look at the first letter first, and all the words that start with the same letter are grouped together - so you have all of the As before any of the Bs. Then you look at the second letter. If there is no second letter, that goes first, then all the AAs, then all the ABs, and so on. Then you look at the third letter, and so on.
Sorting numbers this way gives you all the 1s before all the 2s. 1 itself has no number in the second position, so it comes first, followed by all the 10s. Then all the 100s come before all the 11s. Then all the 1,000s before all the 11s. Then all the 10,000s before all the 11s. With GTS's DR points in mind, you'd finish all the numbers beginning "10" up to 10,999 before you had your first 11 - which would be 11 itself. That would look like this:
1
10
100
1000
10000
11
110
1100
11000
...
19999
2
20
200
(and so on)
That means that when you have numbers of the same order of magnitude (the number of numbers in them), alphabetic sorting and numerical sorting are identical. This occurs in GT Sport when drivers are all B, A, or A+ ranking (S ranks can, in principle, be any number) and have a five-digit DR. When the numbers are of a different order of magnitude, such as at C or D ranking (and new 1/E drivers), the ordering is different. This means that in an A+ to B grid, you will always know which driver has the most DR points, but if there are any C or D (or E) drivers it is considerably less clear.
In GT Sport it's actually reverse alphabetical sorting, so it's the 9s that come first. A driver with a rating of 99,999 (thanks to the new cap) will always be #1, and a driver with a rating of 1 will always be #12/#16/#20 - though of course if there are other drivers rated at 99,999/1 it will apply to one of them via some mechanism I'm not aware of (perhaps by user ID?):
99,999
99,998
...
99,990
9,999
99,989
99,988
...
99,980
9,998
As you can see, 9,999 is sorted to a higher position than 99,989 is, because the first three numbers in both are all 9, so they are sorted by fourth number: a 9 for 9,999, an 8 for 9,998. That's the same principle as "aardvark" coming before "aardwolf" in the dictionary, and both before "abaca".
Windows also sorts numbers alphabetically. You'll spot this in any articles I write with a large number of images, because I rename them with a three-digit suffix to keep them in numerical order - file -010.jpg comes after file -009.jpg and not after file -001.jpg, but file -10.jpg would be between file -1.jpg and file -2.jpg.
For reference, if you sorted a regular English language dictionary numerically, the first word would still be "a", but the last one would be "floccinaucinihilipilification".
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- 563
- France
- ElGringoFuerte
yep , a simple SR down is more harmful than a full fledged penalty
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