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Race B looks interesting. Might be fine to run since people know Seaside by heart from how many times it has come up in dailies and lobbies. Or at least I'd hope so :scared:. Looks to be an FF Festa though.

Race C? Might run the F1 GTR just for the lols :lol:
 
Facosao
Ooh I finally got it, thank you. So the thing I heard about this being SR related is kind of true, but not because of SR but because lower SR usually results in lower rated lobbies, which increases your chances of getting matched with a DR. C driver or lower.

Obviously this also means that back at my post earlier the sorting was always alphabetical.
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Nope, highest SR usually results in getting matched with D/S drivers :/

SR.S is a strange selection. The SR system penalizes contact, therefore favors races with minimum or no contact. Since any contact counts the same, the system will naturally move towards rooms with minimal interaction. Over time those that get to stay in SR.S are players that normally don't have much interaction on the track. So you have the A+/S on pole running away, A/S spready out behind, then B/S down to D/S trying to keep up far in the distance. It's natural selection at work in a system that heavily penalizes any contact, thus evolves into A+/S to D/S races.

Lower SR rated lobbies are more balanced. Full B/B rooms are quite common, yet full B/S rooms are extremely rare and get filled with D/S.
 
Weird night at NGP, managed two wins and two seconds but that is because I cannot get past SRA and I am often on poll.

The Hyundai is great for me around NGP but I am being eaten alive into T1, it seems to start in the wrong gear or something. I am also slow in S1 and the last corner which hurts my overtaking chances. I am lightening quick through the medium speed left and right after the high speed ..... left and right, gaining 4/10th through there. ALso super fast over the final chicane.

Here is one example of T1, just being murdered there on the first lap. Deserve a medal for not hitting this guy I reakon. Was absolutely all over him.

 
Well I made it through Thursday in the boat but for the home stretch on b race I’ll be in an AMG.
It’s VERY well suited.
It’s faster through the first section, you can take it very tight (turn 1) pivot tight and get a good drive to turn 2, the AMG has sharper turn in than many fr, and that is advantageous
Through 3/4. Plus it’s great on the right sweeper onto the back straight and the final turn.
Imo it’s the best fr for this track.
I’ve never gotten on well with the Lexus gr3.
It’s too oversteery under partial throttle for my taste.
The DBR is excellent also but you can’t make the mistakes which it’s easy to do in it.
 
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You know my thoughts on the AMG. It is the king of power down, turned my best qualy lap in it and it is a very fast time for me (57.2). I have been inconsistent in races compared to the Genisis as it is a little less predictable under brakes. Will give it another whirl in races tonight.

The big gain is over the chicane, you can fly over it and when she lands she bites. The 911 especially just says NOPE.
 
NevilleNobody
You know my thoughts on the AMG. It is the king of power down, turned my best qualy lap in it and it is a very fast time for me (57.2). I have been inconsistent in races compared to the Genisis as it is a little less predictable under brakes. Will give it another whirl in races tonight.
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I haven’t tried the Genesis because in my experience it lacks grunt-at least for my style, I tend to not carry a ton of apex speed over a greater distance, tend to be more pivot and punch it oriented so it doesn’t suit my style. I was doing well in the VGT VW also, but not as well as AMG.
The vette is consistent but not as fast as AMG in my hands here. Wrx or Atenza might be good, haven’t bothered to try those tho.

@sturk0167, yes but it’s Fuji lol. I might do a few race B next week but it’ll be a very tough race, you’ll need a really strong qual for that and high likelihood of sr down.
 
Didn't want to set a q time on race B so I could start at the back but was put in a race with the slowest time of 2.02.xxx lol seeing as my best is 2.07 I didn't stand a chance turns out I was about 10 sec to slow to finish in time.
Thought I was doing well with no spin outs and being clean, guess I need to set a Q time so I have a better chance of finishing :)
 
Groundfish
I haven’t tried the Genesis because in my experience it lacks grunt-at least for my style, I tend to not carry a ton of apex speed over a greater distance, tend to be more pivot and punch it oriented so it doesn’t suit my style. .
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I am the same, my weakness is apex speed as you can see int he video above, particularly evident in S1. I am a brake hard, point her, gas out hard style that suits NGP but the Genisis works as it has a VERY stable rear end and you can floor it WAY early. I can also carry good entry speed with it. But yeah, down a bit on power which is annoying when 911s are faster on the straight.
 
Famine
It's called "alphabetic sorting" because it's how one would list words in a dictionary.

You look at the first letter first, and all the words that start with the same letter are grouped together - so you have all of the As before any of the Bs. Then you look at the second letter. If there is no second letter, that goes first, then all the AAs, then all the ABs, and so on. Then you look at the third letter, and so on.

Sorting numbers this way gives you all the 1s before all the 2s. 1 itself has no number in the second position, so it comes first, followed by all the 10s. Then all the 100s come before all the 11s. Then all the 1,000s before all the 11s. Then all the 10,000s before all the 11s. With GTS's DR points in mind, you'd finish all the numbers beginning "10" up to 10,999 before you had your first 11 - which would be 11 itself. That would look like this:

1
10
100
1000
10000
11
110
1100
11000
...
19999
2
20
200

(and so on)

That means that when you have numbers of the same order of magnitude (the number of numbers in them), alphabetic sorting and numerical sorting are identical. This occurs in GT Sport when drivers are all B, A, or A+ ranking (S ranks can, in principle, be any number) and have a five-digit DR. When the numbers are of a different order of magnitude, such as at C or D ranking (and new 1/E drivers), the ordering is different. This means that in an A+ to B grid, you will always know which driver has the most DR points, but if there are any C or D (or E) drivers it is considerably less clear.

In GT Sport it's actually reverse alphabetical sorting, so it's the 9s that come first. A driver with a rating of 99,999 (thanks to the new cap) will always be #1, and a driver with a rating of 1 will always be #12/#16/#20 - though of course if there are other drivers rated at 99,999/1 it will apply to one of them via some mechanism I'm not aware of (perhaps by user ID?):

99,999
99,998
...
99,990
9,999
99,989
99,988
...
99,980
9,998

As you can see, 9,999 is sorted to a higher position than 99,989 is, because the first three numbers in both are all 9, so they are sorted by fourth number: a 9 for 9,999, an 8 for 9,998. That's the same principle as "aardvark" coming before "aardwolf" in the dictionary, and both before "abaca".

Windows also sorts numbers alphabetically. You'll spot this in any articles I write with a large number of images, because I rename them with a three-digit suffix to keep them in numerical order - file -010.jpg comes after file -009.jpg and not after file -001.jpg, but file -10.jpg would be between file -1.jpg and file -2.jpg.


For reference, if you sorted a regular English language dictionary numerically, the first word would still be "a", but the last one would be "floccinaucinihilipilification".
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Thank you. I guess you can tell, I was taking the explanation literally. As soon as I would see the word alphabetical, I'd consider how each number is spelled. That's why it never made sense to me. :lol:
 
Sven Jurgens
Nope, highest SR usually results in getting matched with D/S drivers :/

SR.S is a strange selection. The SR system penalizes contact, therefore favors races with minimum or no contact. Since any contact counts the same, the system will naturally move towards rooms with minimal interaction. Over time those that get to stay in SR.S are players that normally don't have much interaction on the track. So you have the A+/S on pole running away, A/S spready out behind, then B/S down to D/S trying to keep up far in the distance. It's natural selection at work in a system that heavily penalizes any contact, thus evolves into A+/S to D/S races.

Lower SR rated lobbies are more balanced. Full B/B rooms are quite common, yet full B/S rooms are extremely rare and get filled with D/S.
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Well now I'm confused. When my SR is at 99 I usually see around 5 to 10 A/A+/S drivers in a lobby (with me qualifying anywhere between 3rd and 7th) and the rest of the room gets filled with B/S drivers, pretty rare to see a C or D driver on them. But when my SR goes down below 90, suddenly my quali lap is good enough for 2nd or pole, and I start to see C and D drivers in lobbies.
 
Facosao
Well now I'm confused. When my SR is at 99 I usually see around 5 to 10 A/A+/S drivers in a lobby (with me qualifying anywhere between 3rd and 7th) and the rest of the room gets filled with B/S drivers, pretty rare to see a C or D driver on them. But when my SR goes down below 90, suddenly my quali lap is good enough for 2nd or pole, and I start to see C and D drivers in lobbies.
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What the matchmaking system does is group everyone whose SR is 99 together (or it might be 95-99, I forget), then fill the lobbies by descending DR - A+, then A, then B, and so on. If there's only two A+ drivers at SR99 entering that race at that particular time, they might end up with a load of B, C, and D drivers.

When it's run out of SR 95-99 drivers, it moves to SR 90-94 drivers, and so on and so forth.
 
I really admit that I don't like events where tuning is allowed. But that said, I'd much prefer it if we had limited tuning somehow, either in GTS or GT7. Like maybe you could only adjust the downforce (between the front, rear, or both), or just the final gear ratio.

For a race that permits all Gr.1 cars, just being able to adjust downforce alone could allow a much more balanced field, even after BoP. But I also think there are just too many exploits and other ways the tuning undermines itself, like how cryptic each setting's flavor text is. I really would prefer the whole tuning system to be almost idiot-proof in GT7, and not require at least one third-party guide just to know what the heck you're doing.

Maybe this is where B-Spec could be reincarnated. Instead of being a career mode for an AI driver, it could be a test driver that allows you to test tunes without worrying about human errors in your driving line. So you could easily tell whether you gain or lose time when you say, tweak the spring rate in the rear or something for a given car/track combination.

On a side note, I had a challenge of sorts. Just by tuning the downforce alone, and with BoP enabled, I wonder how what downforce settings are needed for a Group C car (e.g. 787B, R92CP) to get the same lap times as a modern LMP (e.g. 919, TS050), also with BoP enabled, on the layout of Le Mans with the chicanes?
 
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NevilleNobody
I am the same, my weakness is apex speed as you can see int he video above, particularly evident in S1. I am a brake hard, point her, gas out hard style that suits NGP but the Genisis works as it has a VERY stable rear end and you can floor it WAY early. I can also carry good entry speed with it. But yeah, down a bit on power which is annoying when 911s are faster on the straight.
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This is what I don't get about the Genesis... with the (i) best HP/LBS ratio in Gr.3, (ii) high corner entry speed, and (iii) ability to put the power down early it should be able to easily walk away from the others... but it doesn't. Is there a power band issue that I'm missing, short shifting or boiling required, etc.?
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Famine
What the matchmaking system does is group everyone whose SR is 99 together (or it might be 95-99, I forget), then fill the lobbies by descending DR - A+, then A, then B, and so on. If there's only two A+ drivers at SR99 entering that race at that particular time, they might end up with a load of B, C, and D drivers.

When it's run out of SR 95-99 drivers, it moves to SR 90-94 drivers, and so on and so forth.
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I think it’s 90-99 for the first grouping and 80-89 for the second, I’m not 100% sure on that though. I’ve just heard people talking about needing to get back to 90 or above for FIA races to get back into the top group.
 
sturk0167
Has nobody else noticed this? --> Settings: Adjustable
That's what it says for next week's N400 race A. It's certainly uncommon. :odd:
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Also, no BOP. Might be a car with rear aero. Go for top speed or handling in the corners...:confused:

RE AMemiya
GT40
911 GT3?
S-FR Racing Concept

Edit: can't adjust aero on the cars above, but I can adjust rear aero on the N300 FD and R34. Go figure.

Edit2: rear wing are adjustable on the R32, R34 and FD. Maybe some we just had the N800 race at SSRX, PD are giving us another tuned event.
 
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Fennario
This is what I don't get about the Genesis... with the (i) best HP/LBS ratio in Gr.3, (ii) high corner entry speed, and (iii) ability to put the power down early it should be able to easily walk away from the others... but it doesn't. Is there a power band issue that I'm missing, short shifting or boiling required, etc.?
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Power to weight is not as simple as one thinks it is, at some point, power is power full stop. A 10hp motor on a 10KG frame will still not go as fast as a 500hp motor on a 2000kg frame.

Now, in saying that, it is listed at 600hp vs the Vantage at 590 and NO FREAKING WAY is it in the same realm as the Vantage power wise. And the Atenza feels like 500 not 615 hp.
 
GOTMAXPOWER
Racing is a contact sport...



...and I love it.
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No offence but I'm starting to feel Europeans don't know what contact sport means. :P

American Football, Rugby, Ice Hockey are contact sports. There are guidelines on the way contact is allowed.

Soccer, Basketball, Motorsports are non-contact sports. Contact is to be avoided and penalized at the discretion of officials.

It's not about the amount of contact. It's about the rules of contact.
 
O604
No offence but I'm starting to feel Europeans don't know what contact sport means. :P

American Football, Rugby, Ice Hockey are contact sports. There are guidelines on the way contact is allowed.

Soccer, Basketball, Motorsports are non-contact sports. Contact is to be avoided and penalized at the discretion of officials.

It's not about the amount of contact. It's about the rules of contact.
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Some people in the penalty thread want people punished for any contact (weirdly even if it's not their fault). I don't see a problem in bouncing off other cars.


Btw does this count as a contact sport? https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=10413751 :lol:
 
NevilleNobody
Power to weight is not as simple as one thinks it is, at some point, power is power full stop. A 10hp motor on a 10KG frame will still not go as fast as a 500hp motor on a 2000kg frame.

Now, in saying that, it is listed at 600hp vs the Vantage at 590 and NO FREAKING WAY is it in the same realm as the Vantage power wise. And the Atenza feels like 500 not 615 hp.
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Exactly... something is not right here. My guess is that the power/weight figures disclosed by PD does not accurately describe the BoP adjustments they are making under the hood. As such, would like to get a better understanding of the following (have inserted my best guesses into the below)

1. Top Power Cars
Viper
Aston
Corvette
MB
GT-R

2. Top Momentum Cars
458
650S
Lancer/WRX

3. Top Tire wear
M4
 
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