"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Norrin Radd]

Well had a few races in the Megane Trophy and felt it was getting better, nearly competitive until I had an off, I was hardly off track but late in the game so no grip and it just spun like crazy. The Evo never does this to me so I'm going back to it.

Next week I don't think I'll even bother testing out A or B, it's Bathurst all the way.

 

[OJBrit]

Never stopped others from punting my Mountain Dew cars without penalties.

Maybe you're in the diet version.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I was first thinking "OK, next week is going to be the Alt account". But then it dawned on me that I'm not going to make any big points in FIA and only race for fun so why not just take the main?
What I am going to do is practice that pit entrance until I can navigate through it in the dark, asleep and drunk.

 

[Norrin Radd]

I was first thinking "OK, next week is going to be the Alt account". But then it dawned on me that I'm not going to make any big points in FIA and only race for fun so why not just take the main?
What I am going to do is practice that pit entrance until I can navigate through it in the dark, asleep and drunk.

Just don't stop it's faster.

 

[AfraidRacer]

I'm assuming not the DBR9? Is that any good in Gr.3 under BOP? I've not seen anyone using it...

Nah, the V8 Vantage GT3.
Usually there are a few cars that can be predicted as the Meta. The R8 is usually king at handling tracks with lots of corners, like Spain. The V8 Vantage is one of the most popular cars at power tracks, like Bathurst.
The way the car drives will usually let you know what it's strengths are, a WRX for example is very pointy and has a short wheelbase, so works better at handling tracks.
Some cars like the Porsche or Beetle work great at many tracks, in the end it depends on what you like the most.
If you get lots of understeer or the car feels heavy, it's probably a power car. If it's twitchy or pointy, it's usually a handling car.
There may be some exceptions though.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Nah, the V8 Vantage GT3.
Usually there are a few cars that can be predicted as the Meta. The R8 is usually king at handling tracks with lots of corners, like Spain. The V8 Vantage is one of the most popular cars at power tracks, like Bathurst.
The way the car drives will usually let you know what it's strengths are, a WRX for example is very pointy and has a short wheelbase, so works better at handling tracks.
Some cars like the Porsche or Beetle work great at many tracks, in the end it depends on what you like the most.
If you get lots of understeer or the car feels heavy, it's probably a power car. If it's twitchy or pointy, it's usually a handling car.
There may be some exceptions though.

That makes sense, and a good logical way to think about it. I usually just take a car I like - eg. the Porsche and F-Type - and see how it does, then look at the top times and try the "meta" car (usually a few seconds off the top 10 pace!) and use my preferred car in the races.
Bathurst is a bit of a funny one. Very technical over the top, but massive straights, so is the power/handling argument balanced out on this track or does it definitely favour power cars?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Just don't stop it's faster.

With 2 mandatory compounds and a 1 minute penalty you would need to mess up pretty bad for no stopping to be quicker

 

[roamingbard13]

Very technical over the top, but massive straights, so is the power/handling argument balanced out on this track or does it definitely favour power cars?

It's an interesting question. The last time Gr 3 was at Bathurst, both the Viper (power-skewed) and the Genesis (maybe the quickest handling car) were both on the top 10 boards if I remember correctly.

I have a feeling you'll see a little bit of everything this time around. The tire wear helps the handling cars a bit, but things like the Porsche will still be eaten alive on the long straights. I'd look for the '17 Lexus to be good, you'll probably see the Genesis and the Viper too. My sleeper pick will be the Supra. It turns pretty well (if you can managed the turbo lag kick), and has better-than-average top speed.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Just don't stop it's faster.

Are you sure? Softs and mediums, and likely mediums are mandatory. 13 laps at tires x7 means more worn mediums that this week at Laguna Seca and I am absolutely sure the softs are faster. And the pit loss is a lot less than at LS. I think pitting will be faster.

 

[Pigems]

Are you sure? Softs and mediums, and likely mediums are mandatory. 13 laps at tires x7 means more worn mediums that this week at Laguna Seca and I am absolutely sure the softs are faster. And the pit loss is a lot less than at LS. I think pitting will be faster.

Looks like Meds will be required. 👍

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Looks like Meds will be required. 👍

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So only mediums at pitstop? That's too bad, everyone running the same strategi then.

 

[Pigems]

So only mediums at pitstop? That's too bad, everyone running the same strategi then.

You should still be able to choose Softs at the stop, I think that’s just how KP shows the mandatory tire requirements. The GT site doesn’t show the new races until they are actually running.

 

[Norrin Radd]

With 2 mandatory compounds and a 1 minute penalty you would need to mess up pretty bad for no stopping to be quicker

Will it be both mandatory?

Are you sure? Softs and mediums, and likely mediums are mandatory. 13 laps at tires x7 means more worn mediums that this week at Laguna Seca and I am absolutely sure the softs are faster. And the pit loss is a lot less than at LS. I think pitting will be faster.

Well go spoil it for me, I wanted everyone to think running meds all the way would be a good idea as although I like Bathurst I need any advantage I can get.
If meds are mandatory it's going to be do softs at long as poss and meds as short can't see 2 stops being worth it even with the silly 6 secs loss here.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Will it be both mandatory?

Good point, maybe not. At Bathurst though the pit time loss is ridiculously short (about 4-5 seconds for tyres), I think most people will run as much of the race as they can on softs and do a stop.

 

[roamingbard13]

Good point, maybe not. At Bathurst though the pit time loss is ridiculously short (about 4-5 seconds for tyres), I think most people will run as much of the race as they can on softs and do a stop.

x7 is a pretty good multiplier anyways, it might be tough to do the entire race on mediums regardless. The quick pit does help make the race more enjoyable. LS this week would be way better with a 5 second pit stop, haha.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

LS this week would be way better with a 5 second pit stop, haha.

And a true one make too....

 

[AfraidRacer]

@GOTMAXPOWER how about 4/4/1? Would that work?

 

[GTWolverine]

Well 27 cars(No Supra), 3 laps each. Pretty much as I figured(with my skill).

Bottom 10

CArs that got booted from the top 20 that couldn't get under 56.815. The Viper was 57.019. Optimum was 56.809. Sorry to the Viper users.

For the record, other than the 4C and Veyron - couldn't get them under 57 seconds, my optimum for most of the cars were 56.5xx-56.6xx(including the NSX - felt quicker than the British Bulldogs). The STI, Evo and FF Megane, were in the .268-.297.

The Genesis is the surprise. It's super easy. Almost like an AWD: Get it stopped before the corner, the rear squares the corner, point the nose, mash the throttle. Nice car.

I was literally chucking the C7 into the tight corners. The rear rotates and just go go go.

Thought the Mustang would be where the Scirocco is, but my optimum was .550. Cayman was a .467.

I guess TT and RCZ users, as will many other players, fiddle with the BB. Times were set with TCS 0, RMs and BOP On. DS4 User.

*Sees Corvette in Top 3* 👍
I'm actually shocked it's that high up. While the Gr.3 version was brilliant to drive here in the FIA race (also surprising at the time), I was sure the Gr.4 version would be out of its element since it's much more "boat-like" in its handling, at least to me. I was still going to try it just for funsies, but I might seriously use it now (after eventually qualifying with whatever the META is ).

 

[roamingbard13]

And a true one make too....

It still kind of is, to be fair. I ran maaaaybe 5-6 races on the main account, and a TT won each race.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

@GOTMAXPOWER how about 4/4/1? Would that work?

I wouldn't know without trying it in the race with tyre wear on, if I'm remembering correctly last time the tyres were one step harder and 6/3 was best. You don't really want to do extra stops at Bathurst at lose track position because it's so hard to overtake (unless you're stupid).

 

[Norrin Radd]

At Bathurst though the pit time loss is ridiculously short (about 4-5 seconds for tyres)

Closer to 6 for us mere mortals that have to slow down to enter the pits.

It still kind of is, to be fair. I ran maaaaybe 5-6 races on the main account, and a TT won each race.

Seeing many different cars win, but more importantly most races are less than 50% TT and there are several different cars being used and used well.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Seeing many different cars win, but more importantly most races are less than 50% TT and there are several different cars being used and used well.

I've seen a Cayman and a Trophy win, other than that it's been all TT's up front in the races I've been in. Usually a good selection of "other" cars in the back half of the grid at the start though (and usually still there in the end too).

 

[MidnightRun85]

I wouldn't know without trying it in the race with tyre wear on, if I'm remembering correctly last time the tyres were one step harder and 6/3 was best. You don't really want to do extra stops at Bathurst at lose track position because it's so hard to overtake (unless you're stupid).

That is some clever overtaking. I like that! I have noted that for next week's races... 👍

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Closer to 6 for us mere mortals that have to slow down to enter the pits.

Use the grass , you can put the left tyres on the grass on the tight left at the start and carry more speed through 👍

That is some clever overtaking. I like that! I have noted that for next week's races... 👍

Nobody expects you to try anything there which either means you make it through or they turn in and hit you, it's a risky one.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Use the grass , you can put the left tyres on the grass on the tight left at the start and carry more speed through 👍



Nobody expects you to try anything there which either means you make it through or they turn in and hit you, it's a risky one.

100% I can see it resulting in joy or carnage. It's not a forgiving place to overtake! But maybe that's the beauty in it.

 

[roamingbard13]

Seeing many different cars win, but more importantly most races are less than 50% TT and there are several different cars being used and used well.

It's different in the A/A+ rooms. There are much more opportunities to use different strategies in the lower rooms because not everyone can drive the TT. People are driving other things (and getting them into the top 5), but it's really hard to win without the TT, especially if a TT starts on the pole. It's pretty easy for the TT to pull a 4-5 second gap on a similar leveled driver in something like the Megane.

My best laps in the TT during the race are around 27.5. My best laps in the Megane are around a second slower. I'd much rather be in the Megane at the end of the race, but it's risky at the start.

 

[Groundfish]

I am working on that one - riding the TT with no pit stop. In order to manage the tires I am trying the following based on some of @Tidgney video tips and some of my own ideas:

• BB+5 - minimize pressure on the fronts.
• Avoid 2nd gear and the associated wheel spin. For T1 I can use 3rd gear and *almost* keep pace with the fastest ghost. When I do drop into 2nd I short shift to 3rd as the wheel spin weirdly appears in the top part of the rev range.
• Set TCS=1, yes in an FF, as it avoids wheel spin.
• Avoid hard braking at T1 and the final turn. Modulating the brakes at the corkscrew after initial hard braking.
• Minimize gear changing and the incremental wear associated.

With those techniques, in practice, I am off my fastest QT by a few tenths, so it *can* be fast. Did I mention that my QT time sucks?

In the race I can get to the end with border line wear - appears to be about 60-65% left. I don't have pictures.

I am using my recently created alt account for this experiment. So far I cannot report success as I have entered the downward SR cycle and am in some unruly rooms and there is a lot more bashing about vs clean air.

Any other tire tips are much appreciated.

Tcs 3

Last night I entered a few B races. My qual time isn’t very good in vette at 22.7.
I started tenth eleventh...I made up spots in each race, and the racepace of the R8, and 911, and Genesis in front of me was terrible, holding me up to the point people behind me were getting impatient.
Luckily I got by when the no tcs drivers made errors...
The vette is quite good in race.
I need a very low 22 or high 21 time though to start next to people whose pace is better but I’m honestly not sure I can do it...Qualifying is a problem for me once I hit 45k plus.

 

[AfraidRacer]

Tcs 3

Come on mate, why would you use TCS in an FF?
I understand you're a TCS user, I am too in RWDs, but why anything above 2?
TCS 1 is useless, TCS 2 gets the job done. Anything more and you're scrubbing speed.

 

[roamingbard13]

Come on mate, why would you use TCS in an FF?
I understand you're a TCS user, I am too in RWDs, but why anything above 2?
TCS 1 is useless, TCS 2 gets the job done. Anything more and you're scrubbing speed.

It helps with tire wear in this case. Without really careful throttle control and good shifting habits, it's easy to spin the fronts like crazy coming out of the corners.

 

[MidnightRun85]

It helps with tire wear in this case. Without really careful throttle control and good shifting habits, it's easy to spin the fronts like crazy coming out of the corners.

I didn't think there was tyre wear in Race B??

EDIT: re-read your post and understand now, TCS makes sense for tyre wear in Race C.