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I'm finally starting to make some progress at Mt Panorama. I think the extensive practice I put in for the Super Formula FIA race back in December really helped. Two good races for me last night: Q9/P8 and Q7/P5, both in the Lexus, and CRB's in both :).

I went with 5S/4M in both races. I had planned to go 6S in each, but had traffic in front of me on lap 5 that I couldn't get around so went ahead and pitted a lap sooner than planned.

Two things I've improved on so far this week:
1) Griffin's Bend - slowing the car until the Auto Trans gets into 3rd gear and then powering out of the corner. In the past I was slowing down too much and falling into 2nd gear. That was too slow, and also too slippery trying to power out.
2) Murray's Corner - really concentrating on getting the car into the little dip by the inside curb. I've had much smoother and faster exits here because of it.

I may try other cars later this week, but I'm super-comfortable in the Lexus and so far just enjoying making improvements on consistency on this track. I'm using TCS 2 and BB 0.
 
Loving the tracks this week, all three of them.

I'd appreciate some insight/advice on pitting. What is the thought process? Stopping as few times as possible seems obvious to me but some guys pit alot more than others. Running soft is better than medium but.....

I'd appreciate it, thanks in advance.
 
thing
Loving the tracks this week, all three of them.

I'd appreciate some insight/advice on pitting. What is the thought process? Stopping as few times as possible seems obvious to me but some guys pit alot more than others. Running soft is better than medium but.....

I'd appreciate it, thanks in advance.
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Generally you want whatever will give you clean air, so say if you have a decent gap behind you then you'll probably want to 2 stop as the extra laps on softs will be worthwhile, on the other hand if you're in a pack or there's a pack close behind you're better off 1 stopping as you'll probably be in traffic anyway when you come out and the fresh tyres could potentially go to waste
It varies race to race and can depend on how your tyres feel or whether you're getting held up etc but that's normally how I go about it.
 
Hasnain282
Generally you want whatever will give you clean air, so say if you have a decent gap behind you then you'll probably want to 2 stop as the extra laps on softs will be worthwhile, on the other hand if you're in a pack or there's a pack close behind you're better off 1 stopping as you'll probably be in traffic anyway when you come out and the fresh tyres could potentially go to waste
It varies race to race and can depend on how your tyres feel or whether you're getting held up etc but that's normally how I go about it.
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Makes sense, thanks. I tend to focus on when specifically, kinda make up my mind before the race even starts.....instead of playing it by ear.

How much faster would you say soft vs medium would be per lap? I'm guessing at least a second...maybe two?
 
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Makes sense, thanks. I tend to focus on when specifically, kinda make up my mind before the race even starts.....instead of playing it by ear.

How much faster would you say soft vs medium would be per lap? I'm guessing at least a second...maybe two?
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I think it's about a second, maybe slightly more depending on car (someone else can confirm as haven't really kept an eye on it)
 
Rexracer702
No brake bias, but I've been using my downshift to 3rd, and the curbing, to get rotation going in. Only had one race, but that's what I did when working on a lap. I haven't really had a problem getting rotation, though I can be a bit overly aggressive on turn in. I have more issues NOT over rotating.

A bit off topic here, but we just had 18+" of snow here. Got home and took my daughter for a drive last night in the snow. All dirt roads that never see a plow. I LIKE driving in the snow. The more the better. I find it relaxing. People at work think I'm nuts. So...as fellow driving enthusiasts, is it just me?
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Thanks.. Appreciate it.
 
Groundfish
In sport mode we all want clean non contact racing. Well sure, but the specter of dirty dives shoves swipes and punts is never far away.
You need to be ready for this. That’s why imo the most stable FR power cars are the better choice.
If a battle breaks out you can brake early park it on the inside and everything just bounces off.
You must be ready to defend yourself. I don’t reccomend revenge, but if you decide to take it imo it’s best to go full nuclear, ONCE, only ONCE, and punt the guy off in a hard brake zone. It’s not reccomended to take revenge however if a guy asks for it too many times it’s gotta be that way.
Ultimately why bother with handling cars when they are su unstable and easy to bully? Unless you’re in top split imo best to avoid those...TCS comes into its own in powerful stable cars...Bumped in a corner? So what.
With trail braking these big cars can turn well, but it takes practice.
You can practice in a 911 or R8 and try to start pole and runaway, but in real sport mode, in the pack, you gotta be an inside hugging door slamming junkyard dog. Peace through superior fire power. People want games, fine, make it a drag race by parking on apex.
MR SUCKS LOL
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This is my favorite post in a long time. Love it.

Now, which car should we use to accomplish this?

I'm a mid to back of the pack racer so your strategy is perfect for me
 
Did 1 Race B and C today. Both went OK. Decent races.

Better result in Race B. Probably because I should be doing more laps instead of color coordinating. It does feel good on the load screen though. :)

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Have now tried all of the following in-race at Bathurst;
McLaren F1, Vette, Stang, AMG, Vantage, DBR9, GTR, RS01, Viper, M6 M Power.

The fastest and most race-ready for me is the Mustang. It is very stable, has a high top end and brakes and turns really well. The Corvette is also a very capable car and they are almost interchangeable for me.

My fastest qualy has been done in the Vantage. I am much quicker in it from the Cutting to Forest Elbow because it just seems to hug the tarmac, but this is negated in-race because you can't overtake through that sector. It then gets swamped by the top speed monsters on Conrod and Mountain Straight.

The DBR9 is the easiest to drive, but it doesn't brake or turn quite as well as others. The RS01, M6 and GTR feel like they should be fast, but I can't get the best out of them. They all seem to want to kill me rather than carry me over the mountain.

The best thing about Bathurst this week has been the almost flawlessly sensible racing I've been involved with. It seems like everyone has understood you can't overtake on the mountain, there's no point defending faster cars on the straights and that trying to dramatically outbrake is a recipe for disaster. So much respect being shown by almost everyone.

I am loving it so far.
 
Haha made it in time to enter C.
Great race in the Stang against five Vettes at low sr. Looks like more than one good player has recently been reset!
Anyways great fun, had fun battle. Stayed second until late, vette was catching on softs and I defended well for a lap and a half. He finally figured out a way past after Murray’s by waiting a beat instead of bumper riding and got the exit.
FairPlay Happy Days right? I took third, complimented 1-2 in post chat. Then the guy calls me out tags me and says stupid defending...
LMAO I never touched him and that comment earned him NO MORE FAIRLY LEAVING HIM ROOM!!!
What an knuckledragger. Almost entered again but decided to chill first.
It’s unbelievable how entitled some folks get sometimes.
You think I’m not going to defend second late in a race?
ROFLMAO WHAT IS YA? IGNANT?
Great fun looking forward to more races...5 minute call...

Edit it’s very annoying when you very carefully defend and leave space when required taking pains not to block or be unfair and some dumb gamer gives you crap.
Lol never take that from these kids
Tell em to go pound sand!!!

Haha damn the torpedos!!!Its shakenbake time!!!

Edit the Stang eats tires, going to db9
 
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Weird. Just tried mustang and both qualy and race first lap was abysmal, absolutely zero grip.

Even then once dialed in, its sloppy, doesn't turn in, just fighting understeer all the time. Not a fan, jump in the amg and instantly 1.5 seconds faster.
 
I dunno what it is about hells corner but lap1 it always seems the car behind gets a run on me, not just gr3, all classes of car.
Last race I never even went left side of mountain straight at all. I just stayed right, and in the banking at Griffins...
I think it’s easier than to go regular line at Griffins. This way you are always in the grip, not trying to transition over the crown in the road to the groove on the cold tires.
Plus, it’s easy to get to full throttle nice and early...Plus lol the overeager Argentinian behind me crashed and helped me get a big lead :)
I’ve had a couple nice DBR9 races and have clawed my way back to BS.
I’m hopping back in Mustang...
 
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NevilleNobody
Weird. Just tried mustang and both qualy and race first lap was abysmal, absolutely zero grip.

Even then once dialed in, its sloppy, doesn't turn in, just fighting understeer all the time. Not a fan, jump in the amg and instantly 1.5 seconds faster.
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This is weird. I find the Stang brakes and turns brilliantly. I cannot get the AMG to stop understeering. I find it particularly bad through Griffin's and out of the dipper.

Driving style has such an impact on car choice in Group 3.
 
D_Dragline
Driving style has such an impact on car choice in Group 3.
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I like the Mustang also...I’m calling my style...wait for it...


#BETHEAI

:)

On wheel both Mustangs drive the same, the gr4, and 3.
They need you to find that light slow smooth, in a nice line groove, but IF you can find it and hold onto it some it’s pretty darn cool. It’s just easy to overload the front tires, but if you don’t overload, just streeeeeetch them, the cars work well...
 
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D_Dragline
This is weird. I find the Stang brakes and turns brilliantly. I cannot get the AMG to stop understeering. I find it particularly bad through Griffin's and out of the dipper.

Driving style has such an impact on car choice in Group 3.
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True. I find the brakes on the Mustang to be slightly below par but I feel the car understeers too much compared to other FR cars. The GT-R feels similar to me.
 
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GF, used to be the case for me at hell corner, the softer rubber definately helps me, I cross section 1 at 18.9 religiously. On hards, I get eaten.

Back to the stang, I dunno, felt like a flitxh but first lap and half of qualy and lap and half race i thought I had hards on. Severe shortage of grip. Once up to speed I could coax a high 2.02 out of it but it felta forced. Off throttle, the merc seems to turn in way better and feels much more lithe.

Tried the jag, I tell you what, its an option kn pace, just straight line speed a concern. Fastest qualy lap a 2.01.7, my qualy time is 2.01.3 so not bad. In the race it is a great handling car, nicely damped over bumps, recommended you guys try it.
 
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I don't know how you guys find such quick qually times at Mount Panorama! I ran 11 laps last night, in the Merc, and the best I managed was a 2:02:9XX. Average laps - when I managed to string together back to back laps without some form of ghastly mistake - were mid 2:03's and some fairly poor 2:05/06's. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to find another second, let alone 3 or 4 seconds! I think I'm going to have to study fastest lap replays to get my head around it, but has anyone got any tips in the meantime? I've not entered a race yet because I'm not comfortable with my lap times or the pit entry yet!
 
MidnightRun85
I don't know how you guys find such quick qually times at Mount Panorama! I ran 11 laps last night, in the Merc, and the best I managed was a 2:02:9XX. Average laps - when I managed to string together back to back laps without some form of ghastly mistake - were mid 2:03's and some fairly poor 2:05/06's. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to find another second, let alone 3 or 4 seconds! I think I'm going to have to study fastest lap replays to get my head around it, but has anyone got any tips in the meantime? I've not entered a race yet because I'm not comfortable with my lap times or the pit entry yet!
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Don't worry too much about it - it's one of those tracks where consistency is more important than outright speed. My QT is only 2:02.7, and I've started every race (B/S level) in the bottom half of the grid, but made up places in every race, including a 4th and then a 3rd last night.

You can take the pit entry steady, as there'll be plenty of others that won't. Unbelievably, there are still drivers trying no-stopping, or failing to use both tyres too, so places to be made up there!

I've been using the (unfashionable) Genesis - very stable, and very kind to it's tyres too. Just be aware of the fact that drivers of 'faster' cars feel they have an automatic right to be in front of you though....
 
MidnightRun85
I don't know how you guys find such quick qually times at Mount Panorama! I ran 11 laps last night, in the Merc, and the best I managed was a 2:02:9XX. Average laps - when I managed to string together back to back laps without some form of ghastly mistake - were mid 2:03's and some fairly poor 2:05/06's. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to find another second, let alone 3 or 4 seconds! I think I'm going to have to study fastest lap replays to get my head around it, but has anyone got any tips in the meantime? I've not entered a race yet because I'm not comfortable with my lap times or the pit entry yet!
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My qualifying time is 2:01.2 so I’m not an expert on the track by any means but I found the easiest ways to make up time were;

1. Drill Hell corner until you can hit the apex and maintain good mid corner speed. That’s where I make up time on my opponents in every race.

2. You can come down the mountain faster than you think. The key is to brake in straight lines and keep the car balanced. @Tidgney and @Mistah_MCA have good examples of this in their lap guides.

3. There is an enormous amount of time to lose or make up due to how well you exit Forrest Elbow. If you can find the right line to allow an early throttle out there’s several tenths in that alone.

Now if someone can tell me how to get under 2 minutes it’d be much appreciated.
 
Totally random thought. We get the Porsche duo Daily Races. The 86/BRZ and AE86 Daily Races as well. Seems like we got slightly cheated by PD, with no Mazda Roadster vs Fiat 124 Daily Race.

Could you imagine? One is NA. One is turbocharged. Same chassis. Different shell. Would have been awesome to see which car players chose.
Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled program...
 
D_Dragline
My qualifying time is 2:01.2 so I’m not an expert on the track by any means but I found the easiest ways to make up time were;

1. Drill Hell corner until you can hit the apex and maintain good mid corner speed. That’s where I make up time on my opponents in every race.

2. You can come down the mountain faster than you think. The key is to brake in straight lines and keep the car balanced. @Tidgney and @Mistah_MCA have good examples of this in their lap guides.

3. There is an enormous amount of time to lose or make up due to how well you exit Forrest Elbow. If you can find the right line to allow an early throttle out there’s several tenths in that alone.

Now if someone can tell me how to get under 2 minutes it’d be much appreciated.
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That's good advice I think. Those two corners look to be incredibly important seeing as they're both followed by long straights. I'll work on those over the course of the week, maybe work on my lap consistency with the endurance series in career mode.

I seem to struggle between The Cutting and Skyline, often dropping half a second through that section alone - much work is needed I feel.
 
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