"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[RacingGrandpa]

On a separate and more important topic - have you dipped your toes into daily A yet?

I have. Subaru because you can adjust the diff, set the diff to 50/50, BB0, tCS 0, go. Go to fourth when ever your speed is above 105 km/H, downshift to turn in.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Most definitely yes... but it's even more fun learning different driving styles especially with something like a Porsche.

Funny thing is that in the Nations Cup where it's single car I spend the time to learn the car before the race and it works out ok but then I drift back to the same few cars. I'm going to have to work on it as it holding me back and its a long time since I was in DR B because it gets more completive as you move up. Quick race in the RCZ and Qual 4th finished 3rd but would have been 2nd only for track limit mistake 4 corners from home. Going to try match the RCZ time in the McLaren today so I know I'm making progress.

 

[Famine]

Usually a challenge to avoid the carnage... tonight - LOW PING challenge enabled! 1-3 bars fluctuating during the race! (Meanwhile my ping to The Internets is 11ms)

Your ping to your local hub is 11ms.

When you race in Daily Races, you're connecting directly to other people's consoles, so you need to add their ping to their local hubs, and their geographical location. For you they may be in Auckland (add 23ms), Perth (add 47ms), Hong Kong (add 126ms), Tokyo (add 142ms), or Seoul (add 217ms).

Basically unless you're only racing Australians (and New Zealanders) who've taken the time to optimise their connections in a Daily Race, you're going to see upwards of a eighth of a second of additional lag. Your 11ms "ping to The Internets" is a pretty small part of the picture.

 

[BalsBrother]

To be fair, if you watch F1, the guy who gets out in front often stays in front, so it's a mentality of get out in front, stay in front. Also, everyone wants to be at the front so they're fighting to get there not realising that patience can often pay dividends.

I am racing to try to fix my SR at the moment so after the start I am literally pulling off the race line putting on my hazards and let the entire field go by and build a 10 sec lead. Not even trying to be fast and have been bump drafting in the straights rather than overtake (assuming they are not weaving like a lunatic). So basically only making places to off tracks and penalties

In last race I still finished 9th because folks are fighting so much. What is going on did someone spike the pre-race tea and biscuits

 

[jad866]

I'm in Oceania. Up to B/S now.

On a different subject/rant:
Sometimes, I wish players would stop racing at the start. Be mindful of your cold tyres and let us not lose contact with the leader or leaders. Nope! I must defend and block and squeeze and do everything in my powe rto not drop a spot or take that spot ahead. Jeez. It's the first three turns. Work together, to stay with the leader!

this is the reason the game is not fun for me anymore I just cannot do dailys like I used too. I am finding it more fun just doing the FIA's and just seeing how far up on the leaderboard I can climb in qualy. I like monza I want to get out there and race and have fun but I know it will be as described above a fight to death for every position

 

[ASH32]

Tried the GT-R, F1 and Mustang in Race C.

Don't like the GT-R feels sluggish but if you are used to driving it you could get results with it.

The F1 isn't any better but again if you've driven it a lot you could probably do ok in it, everyone else will probably end up accidently bumping a car and get a big penalty like I did, when cars in front bunch up it doesn't really want to let you avoid them. 🤬

The Mustang is quick, even though I got my worst result with it, that wasn't the cars fault but I do have a slight concern with tyre wear but maybe it'll be ok if you don't make mistakes and get pushed about like I did.

 

[sturk0167]

Is arcade mode TT with BOP on, correct (medium) tires and shortcut penalties strong valid practice for Q?

Yeah. I do it all the time.
It's also a good idea to make sure you have the right time of day.
Sometimes, you'll need to get used to having the sun in your eyes, or using certain shadows for braking points.

 

[GTWolverine]

Here's a replay of my best battle last week at Yamagiwa. 4 laps of constant attacking by me in my Corvette, and the leader in a Supra putting up an aggressive (but very clean) defense. Speed, stability, and acceleration vs. cornering ability.



Somehow I didn't see anyone from here except @Jwptexas in one of these races, but the names of several drivers I raced with showed up in other people's replays posted on here.

 

[sturk0167]

Your ping to your local hub is 11ms.

When you race in Daily Races, you're connecting directly to other people's consoles, so you need to add their ping to their local hubs, and their geographical location. For you they may be in Auckland (add 23ms), Perth (add 47ms), Hong Kong (add 126ms), Tokyo (add 142ms), or Seoul (add 217ms).

Basically unless you're only racing Australians (and New Zealanders) who've taken the time to optimise their connections in a Daily Race, you're going to see upwards of a eighth of a second of additional lag. Your 11ms "ping to The Internets" is a pretty small part of the picture.

When the game shows each player's connection in the pre-race screen (1 to 5 bars), is that an indication of their connection to the server, or to the other players?

 

[Rotary_Pilot]

Yeah. I do it all the time.
It's also a good idea to make sure you have the right time of day.
Sometimes, you'll need to get used to having the sun in your eyes, or using certain shadows for braking points.

That's good advice. I do set the time to be the same when I can. Never thought about shadows as track markers. I guess they don't change over the course of a race.

I just wasn't sure if the physics changed from arcade to sport. Arcade make me think of Outrun or NFS.

 

[Pigems]

That's good advice. I do set the time to be the same when I can. Never thought about shadows as track markers. I guess they don't change over the course of a race.

I just wasn't sure if the physics changed from arcade to sport. Arcade make me think of Outrun or NFS.

The main difference between arcade and sport is that in arcade off course traction will be set to low, instead of real. So you won’t get dirty tires for going off track, and on track will have ever so slightly more grip. They should be within a couple tenths though. 👍

 

[Famine]

When the game shows each player's connection in the pre-race screen (1 to 5 bars), is that an indication of their connection to the server, or to the other players?

In the lobby itself, for Daily Races, it will be to the other players, as there isn't a server. The connection test you can do before you jump into Dailies or FIA events will be to a server, but I'm not totally sure which one (probably the local one of the five regional servers, in Tokyo, Amsterdam, Virginia, Sydney, and Sao Paulo).

 

[AfraidRacer]

Didn't race last week, now I'm back! Monza is great fun! Had two really nice races there, lost 500dr in the 1st one but gained a K in the 2nd one. So up to 25.9 now, after breaking through 25 at Bathurst.
Not sure of the tire requirements though, I only jumped in today without much planning and @Mistah_MCA hasn't uploaded yet. Been doing a 6M/4H but if hards aren't mandatory then 5M/5M would be better right?
No-stop wouldn't be ideal I assume, unless you're starting on pole.

 

[ASH32]

Hards are mandatory too, so at least 3 laps on them up to a max of 5 is the way to go.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Didn't race last week, now I'm back! Monza is great fun! Had two really nice races there, lost 500dr in the 1st one but gained a K in the 2nd one. So up to 25.9 now, after breaking through 25 at Bathurst.
Not sure of the tire requirements though, I only jumped in today without much planning and @Mistah_MCA hasn't uploaded yet. Been doing a 6M/4H but if hards aren't mandatory then 5M/5M would be better right?
No-stop wouldn't be ideal I assume, unless you're starting on pole.

Stick to your tyre strategy, compound change is mandatory and 6/4 gives some of the best race times. Personally I prefer 4H/6M to finish strong and make some places in the last few laps and hang back when people are pushing hard for position in the first few laps.

 

[AfraidRacer]

Hards are mandatory too, so at least 3 laps on them up to a max of 5 is the way to go.

Stick to your tyre strategy, compound change is mandatory and 6/4 gives some of the best race times. Personally I prefer 4H/6M to finish strong and make some places in the last few laps and hang back when people are pushing hard for position in the first few laps.

Thanks, did try for a 4H/6M but I missed it
I'll do a few more races, 4H/6M or 3H/7M depending on wear. 👍

 

[OutsiderC]

The main difference between arcade and sport is that in arcade off course traction will be set to low, instead of real. So you won’t get dirty tires for going off track, and on track will have ever so slightly more grip. They should be within a couple tenths though. 👍

I usually create a lobby to practice daily races, still something doesn't make any sense to me. I practice 2 days during weekend and after going to daily Q I do a better time. Usually 1 sec below, depending on the track/car. Same happens to a friend and I'm talking about Gr4 or Gr3 with BOP enabled.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Hards are mandatory too, so at least 3 laps on them up to a max of 5 is the way to go.

I find starting on hards can do 4h/6m. Starting on meds the 6th lap is dodgy. I'm bad with tyre wear though.

 

[Skinny McLean]

I usually create a lobby to practice daily races, still something doesn't make any sense to me. I practice 2 days during weekend and after going to daily Q I do a better time. Usually 1 sec below, depending on the track/car. Same happens to a friend and I'm talking about Gr4 or Gr3 with BOP enabled.

When qualifying in the dailies you run without fuel load and with optimal tire temperatures.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Thanks, did try for a 4H/6M but I missed it
I'll do a few more races, 4H/6M or 3H/7M depending on wear. 👍

Missed it? Forgot to change tyres at the start?? 7M might be asking a bit much, depending how you manage your tyres. Not many are able to make the M's last that long without sacrificing lap time. The pit stop is short and the time loss on H's isn't so drastic.

I find starting on hards can do 4h/6m. Starting on meds the 6th lap is dodgy. I'm bad with tyre wear though.

That sounds about right, most people can manage 6M, but 7M is asking a lot. I've seen someone try 9M/1H and the last three M laps dropped nearly 0.5s each lap.

 

[AfraidRacer]

When qualifying in the dailies you run without fuel load and with optimal tire temperatures.

I believe it's full fuel load? I think you can brake later in race?

Missed it? Forgot to change tyres at the start?? 7M might be asking a bit much, depending how you manage your tyres. Not many are able to make the M's last that long without sacrificing lap time. The pit stop is short and the time loss on H's isn't so drastic.


That sounds about right, most people can manage 6M, but 7M is asking a lot. I've seen someone try 9M/1H and the last three M laps dropped nearly 0.5s each lap.

Didn't have time since I was checking Kudos lol. Will try 6M/4H, thanks for the tips!

 

[Skinny McLean]

I believe it's full fuel load?

It's not - some cars have fuel indicators in the cockpit view if you want to check it out for yourself. Hope your exams went well, by the way

 

[Norrin Radd]

I'm using the FT-1 and doing OK, but getting burned with the really slow corners. It just won't accelerate fast. Going to try the GT-R, but they slow me on the corners usually so not confident, then the Vette....obviously only once it's red.

 

[AfraidRacer]

It's not - some cars have fuel indicators in the cockpit view if you want to check it out for yourself. Hope your exams went well, by the way

Haha, thanks man.
I brake just after the 150 in Monza Q, but in race, around lap 7/8 or so, I could brake almost at 125. This was without slip, and my speed at the start/finish line was only about 5 km/h less than quali.

Can anyone else who's been racing at Monza comment on this?

Interestingly, no matter how I take Parabolica in Q, my speed at the S/F line is always just around 236 km/h in the vette.

 

[slthree]

It had been a while since I had won a daily race. It was Race A and it happened on Monday.
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You have 100 wins? That's remarkable!!!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Haha, thanks man.
I brake just after the 150 in Monza Q, but in race, around lap 7/8 or so, I could brake almost at 125. This was without slip, and my speed at the start/finish line was only about 5 km/h less than quali.

Can anyone else who's been racing at Monza comment on this?

Interestingly, no matter how I take Parabolica in Q, my speed at the S/F line is always just around 236 km/h in the vette.

I brake about 125 on mediums, a little earlier on hards but then I have a full fuel load on hards.
I do 3H/7M and undercut most by doing so.

 

[sturk0167]

In the lobby itself, for Daily Races, it will be to the other players, as there isn't a server. The connection test you can do before you jump into Dailies or FIA events will be to a server, but I'm not totally sure which one (probably the local one of the five regional servers, in Tokyo, Amsterdam, Virginia, Sydney, and Sao Paulo).

I'm sorry, but that leads me to two other questions. If it's an indication of my connection to other players, then why doesn't mine always show a perfect connection to myself, and if it's showing 1 bar for another player, does that mean that he also sees me as 1 bar?

 

[Famine]

I'm sorry, but that leads me to two other questions. If it's an indication of my connection to other players, then why doesn't mine always show a perfect connection to myself, and if it's showing 1 bar for another player, does that mean that he also sees me as 1 bar?

The bars don't indicate a single factor, but all network quality factors bundled together. That includes ping/latency, but also jitter (ping stability), upload and download bandwidth and bandwidth utilisation, signal-to-noise ratio, and other things - I'm not actually entirely sure what the five parameters the GT network test shows you are, but I'd wager that four of them are in that list.

You won't show a perfect connection to yourself all the time, because you might have a high bandwidth utilisation (someone else in the house watching Netflix), a spike in jitter (someone else in the building using a vacuum cleaner or microwave if you're on wireless, or just a noisy line), or any one of a whole smear of factors. You also might show to yourself as two, one, or even no bars if you're the only person within 4,500 miles of you in the lobby, even if you have a stable, wired connection with a ton of bandwidth and nobody's on Disney+ through your router.

There's no reason why a player showing to you as one bar should also appear to themselves as one bar, although there's a good chance that they'll not see five bars, and probably not four bars.

 

[O604]

FYI -the Online Manual suggests a direct connection to the modem so there are no interruptions. Obviously not necessary but it's how they built it.

When your PlayStation®4 system is connected directly to your broadband modem, you will not be able to use your PC or other network devices while you are taking part in online races. To use other network devices while racing online, please connect your PlayStation®4 system to the internet via a router. However, some router types and router settings will not allow you to take part in online races, and errors may occur.

Gran Turismo® Sport allows you to connect your PlayStation®4 system to the internet either wirelessly or through a wired connection. However, for a more stable online racing experience, a wired connection is recommended.

https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/manual/#!/lobby/content08

 

[Rexracer702]

The bars don't indicate a single factor, but all network quality factors bundled together. That includes ping/latency, but also jitter (ping stability), upload and download bandwidth and bandwidth utilisation, signal-to-noise ratio, and other things - I'm not actually entirely sure what the five parameters the GT network test shows you are, but I'd wager that four of them are in that list.

You won't show a perfect connection to yourself all the time, because you might have a high bandwidth utilisation (someone else in the house watching Netflix), a spike in jitter (someone else in the building using a vacuum cleaner or microwave if you're on wireless, or just a noisy line), or any one of a whole smear of factors. You also might show to yourself as two, one, or even no bars if you're the only person within 4,500 miles of you in the lobby, even if you have a stable, wired connection with a ton of bandwidth and nobody's on Disney+ through your router.

There's no reason why a player showing to you as one bar should also appear to themselves as one bar, although there's a good chance that they'll not see five bars, and probably not four bars.

One, you're making my head hurt, and two, why would anyone EVER hook up their PS wireless...just doesn't make sense!