"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[O604]

two, why would anyone EVER hook up their PS wireless...just doesn't make sense!

Don't want to drill a hole in my wall (although I think about doing it everyday). And it's not my primary use of the internet.

 

[Dave_H_87]

I don’t see how it would be possible to brake at 125m for the first chicane, it’s brake at the 150 board and no later otherwise you’re in to the nether!
Do you realise the first marker board is the 200m?

 

[Famine]

One, you're making my head hurt

I'm amazed any of it works at all.

I mean, your steering input is turned into pulses of electricity, which your console receives and converts into steering action. It then sends its own pulses of electricity down eight bits of copper into a box, which is receiving lots of other pulses of electricity from other bits of copper.

At some point between that box and a box in the street, all those pulses of electricity become pulses of light, and get shoved into gradually increasingly wide bits of glass with lots of other people's light pulses, then back into narrower ones as the other light pulses split off to where they need to go SOMEHOW, becoming electrical pulses again inside eight bits of copper, and then into someone else's console, which then decides where you are on their screen.

I mean... how do the light pulses KNOW where they need to go next? How do they not go the wrong way, how don't they get mixed up with each other?

It's clearly total nonsense, which means it's literally magic.

 

[Rexracer702]

I'm amazed any of it works at all.

I mean, your steering input is turned into pulses of electricity, which your console receives and converts into steering action. It then sends its own pulses of electricity down eight bits of copper into a box, which is receiving lots of other pulses of electricity from other bits of copper.

At some point between that box and a box in the street, all those pulses of electricity become pulses of light, and get shoved into gradually increasingly wide bits of glass with lots of other people's light pulses, then back into narrower ones as the other light pulses split off to where they need to go SOMEHOW, becoming electrical pulses again inside eight bits of copper, and then into someone else's console, which then decides where you are on their screen.

I mean... how do the light pulses KNOW where they need to go next? How do they not go the wrong way, how don't they get mixed up with each other?

It's clearly total nonsense, which means it's literally magic.

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” Arthur C Clark

Edit: I was promised a moon base and flying cars by the year 2000. I am NOT happy!

 

[NoStopN]

One, you're making my head hurt, and two, why would anyone EVER hook up their PS wireless...just doesn't make sense!

I ran my PS3 & 4 wirelessly. I only plugged the PS4 in as a way to determine why I kept getting kicked out of friends' lobbies in GTS.

On another note, the race A drivability is pretty good. QT at 1:34.115 with 1:33.378 optimal. Still not sure I want to race yet.

Edit: cut race A QT down to 1:31.637 with optimal at 1:31.269

 

[Norrin Radd]

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” Arthur C Clark

Edit: I was promised a moon base and flying cars by the year 2000. I am NOT happy!

So it's all done by magic!!! Good to know, never trusted that technology stuff.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I don’t see how it would be possible to brake at 125m for the first chicane, it’s brake at the 150 board and no later otherwise you’re in to the nether!
Do you realise the first marker board is the 200m?

The trick is to not brake full. The brake bar is divided into two parts a red and a white. Minimize the red by modulating your brake and you can stop in a shorter distance.

 

[T_702_Balone]

I don’t see how it would be possible to brake at 125m for the first chicane, it’s brake at the 150 board and no later otherwise you’re in to the nether!
Do you realise the first marker board is the 200m?

i can't brake later than 150 either, in clean air
the white line just before 150 is what i try to focus on

 

[RacingGrandpa]

i can't brake later than 150 either, in clean air
the white line just before 150 is what i try to focus on

If you look at this replay you can see me brake later several times:
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gts...allery/all/replay/8001071/6278678702226179080
Edit: I can make a video of it if you like?

 

[O604]

So it's all done by magic!!! Good to know, never trusted that technology stuff.

For magic to exist, there has to be a balance of light and dark, good and bad.

The penalty system is magic too.

 

[Pigems]

I was braking maybe half a cars length past 150 in Q yesterday, but I’m not sure you can brake much later than that, unless it’s just a “perceived” mark people are hitting. In race you should have to brake earlier than that on both sets, as they will be worn and the car will be heavier.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Haha, thanks man.
I brake just after the 150 in Monza Q, but in race, around lap 7/8 or so, I could brake almost at 125. This was without slip, and my speed at the start/finish line was only about 5 km/h less than quali.

Can anyone else who's been racing at Monza comment on this?

Interestingly, no matter how I take Parabolica in Q, my speed at the S/F line is always just around 236 km/h in the vette.

I have a problem with braking distance, sometimes I get it completely wrong when I'm trying too hard to brake late and I lift off the throttle a bit late but when I hit the sweet spot it well after the 150m board but I wouldn't be trying to hit it every time. The 150m works for me although I have picked a spot to brake too just in case the boards are gone.

I often wondered would it be bad to go around on the 1st lap at the back an wipeout all the marker boards?

 

[T_702_Balone]

If you look at this replay you can see me brake later several times:
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gts...allery/all/replay/8001071/6278678702226179080
Edit: I can make a video of it if you like?

i dont doubt you. for me, braking later most of the time results in unhappiness

 

[Pigems]

If you’re watching it in replay mode the inputs are delayed, so it will always look like you braked later than you did. Only actual onboard footage from the lap will show the moment the brakes are actually touched. 👍

 

[05XR8]

I run my PS4 wireless because, my wife uses the big tv and plays that Gem of War game with her guild crew.

 

[NoStopN]

That race A is a hoot, but unless you get away in the lead, your SR will suffer.

 

[O604]

Finally figured out how to transfer a screenshot via USB.

A rare pole and win for me.

 

[BalsBrother]

Break where it feel right for you. It's going to be a bit different for everyone depending on cars, traffic, slipstream, tyres and so on.

Personally I think I break a bit earlier than most but for me it's slow in and fast out and that works for me more often than not.

Edit: Mission Accomplished SR 99 again

 

[NoStopN]

Oh, that race A can be fun...if you're good at qualifying.

Hopped onto the team account & ran a 1:31.217 with an optimal 1:30.486

 

[KiepeYai]

One, you're making my head hurt, and two, why would anyone EVER hook up their PS wireless...just doesn't make sense!

Always on wireless because i move around a lot (work), today I’m playing from California but a week later i might be playing from Georgia, so it really depends ,

 

[OJBrit]

For magic to exist, there has to be a balance of light and dark, good and bad.

The penalty system is magic too.

So what you're saying is to end the penalty nightmare we have to destroy the ring in Mount Doom?
Guys it's either the Nurburgring or the penalty system.

Don't you just love the Rettifilo lap one?


Why keep the throttle mashed when you are obviously turning into someone?
I ended up DFL some 12 seconds back once I got going. Still finished 11th one place up from my starting position.

 

[absbrain]

One, you're making my head hurt, and two, why would anyone EVER hook up their PS wireless...just doesn't make sense!

Quality 5ghz WiFi and no problems whatsoever. Full green bars, two walls from WiFi router
And I have Ethernet there, just too lazy to plug it in, because I move ps4 to the living room sometimes...

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Personally I think I break a bit earlier than most but for me it's slow in and fast out and that works for me more often than not.

I often do that too. But T1 in Monza an early brake makes you a target on lap one, and on subsequent laps it's a great place to pass in a safe way.

If you’re watching it in replay mode the inputs are delayed, so it will always look like you braked later than you did. Only actual onboard footage from the lap will show the moment the brakes are actually touched. 👍

That prevents me from making a movie.. but I brake midway between the 150 and the 100 meter mark but I lift a tad before.

Edit:thank you moderator for cleaning up my double post. I didn't even notice.

 

[BalsBrother]

I often do that too. But T1 in Monza an early brake makes you a target on lap one, and on subsequent laps it's a great place to pass in a safe way.


That prevents me from making a movie.. but I brake midway between the 150 and the 100 meter mark but I lift a tad before.

As I generally start at the back I don't even try to race T1 lap 1 I just hang back and sweep through the aftermath, it's usually a couple of easy places to off tracks and one or two more in the penalty zone. I try to pick my battles and that is one I want no part of.

Subsequent laps I adjust depending on the situation.

 

[ASH32]

So what you're saying is to end the penalty nightmare we have to destroy the ring in Mount Doom?
Guys it's either the Nurburgring or the penalty system.

Don't you just love the Rettifilo lap one?


Why keep the throttle mashed when you are obviously turning into someone?
I ended up DFL some 12 seconds back once I got going. Still finished 11th one place up from my starting position.

Not that they were right to just floor it but it probably wouldn't have made much difference if they'd gone full on the brakes, that F1 will not stop and is not agile at all so avoiding slow cars is almost out of the question.

I drove it once today, spun someone at the 2nd chicane and got a 4 second penalty for it. I just couldn't avoid the car in front that had been slowed right up by cars in front of them and every one I see is involved in at least one incident, more often a lot more than that and most of them are not even intentional.

I nearly got smashed into oblivion by one too but I saw it just in time to turn out of its way as it somehow got through the pack of cars before being reset to track.

Basically if anyone sees someone in the McLaren F1 watch out and see them as an accident that is about to happen.

 

[meekrab]

One, you're making my head hurt, and two, why would anyone EVER hook up their PS wireless...just doesn't make sense!

I feel like there's a lot of residual distrust of Wi-Fi from the early 00s when it was legitimately awful, but those days are long past. If you have a PS4 Pro and a router that supports 802.11ac, your WiFi connection is probably much faster than your actual internet connection (unless you have gigabit, but GTSport doesn't use anywhere near that much bandwidth) and should present almost no additional latency to gaming. Certainly not anything you would notice in a game that already has as much lag compensation and interpolation built in as GT Sport.

I often do that too. But T1 in Monza an early brake makes you a target on lap one, and on subsequent laps it's a great place to pass in a safe way.

Depending on starting position, I put the brakes on about 25% around the 150 board on lap 1 just to get the lights on and wake up the driver behind me, and switch to full braking at about 100, haven't been successfully divebombed yet.

 

[Rexracer702]

As I generally start at the back I don't even try to race T1 lap 1 I just hang back and sweep through the aftermath, it's usually a couple of easy places to off tracks and one or two more in the penalty zone. I try to pick my battles and that is one I want no part of.

Subsequent laps I adjust depending on the situation.

When I race from the back with a grid start, I usually don't even use traction control for the start, for the same reason. It allows time for ghosting to kick in before I drive through the 20% of the cars that screw up or get hit in that 1st turn. Sometimes it's worth 10 positions!

 

[Carrera1963]

Your ping to your local hub is 11ms.

Yeah, I’m a network engineer - though it’s my connection to the server that’s showing in the “signal bars”, which shouldn’t be impacted by other players. (Though I recall lobbies are player-hosted rather than PD-hosted)

Usually I get all green on the GTS “signal bars”, just sometimes it’s terrible.

My point is my actual Internet latency (including to regional servers) is fine, and my connection to PSN is fine, but the PD servers seem to go downhill randomly - and I’d guess they don’t have any in Australia, or if they do then there’s a smalll qty and they’re either overloaded or having maintenance when stuff like this happens.

This is stuff that’s VERY easy to fix, though I think PD’s “regions” and regional matching make the issue worse by likely having a single server farm per region, rather than more localised servers and match on ping as well rather than just SR/DR.

 

[Famine]

but the PD servers seem to go downhill randomly - and I’d guess they don’t have any in Australia, or if they do then there’s a smalll qty and they’re either overloaded or having maintenance when stuff like this happens.

In Daily Races there aren't any at all; it's peer-to-peer. In FIA races with the fixed server, it's in Sydney - although I'd guess with the regional unification for Manufacturer Series, it'll be the Tokyo server.

 

[Carrera1963]

Dailies are P2P & serverless? FFS, no wonder it’s randomly bad.

so much for the “magic”

(also if an optical link is multiplexed, how does the light signals not run into each other????)