"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Rexracer702]

Absolute lottery, no idea what calls for a penalty and what doesn't, last corner not much better

I've thought about this a lot, and I think it may be one of the reasons I do so well (laptime wise) at the Tokyo tracks. There is no doubt about track limits there, since it's all walls. I don't have time to run all the corners on a track 8 different ways to decide what the limits are, so I usually play it safe in most places, which can cost a lot of time some places. I wish they would just be consistent. How about no part of your outside tire can touch inside the curb at the apex,(or opposite when exiting). I don't care what the limit is, or what the parameters (line outside the curb, line inside the curb, tire touching, tire goes over, whatever) just make it the same so we know, Or create a line that shows the limits, and let us know the parameters ( can't touch the line, can touch but no part of the tire over, can go over, but some part of the tire has to remain in contact) I hate the guessing game, and the stress when you're waiting for the penalty flag to pop and ruin your race.

As to RBR, T1, the best I can figure is you can't go past the sausage up to a certain, unknown point down track, and you won't get a penalty if you lift at some unknown point, for an unknown time period, or if you only get back on the gas after some unknown point. It's actually very simple!

 

[Little_Guppy]

Are the T1 track limits at RBR messed up again? It seems like if you let off the throttle at all while you're on the apron it considers you to have slowed down enough not to deserve a penalty for going wide, I saw one driver run more than a car-width wide lap after lap without a penalty...

Absolute lottery, no idea what calls for a penalty and what doesn't, last corner not much better

Unless I'm mistaken, the yellow curb marks the limit on whats permitted. As long as your inside tyres, don't go over the yellow "sausage", you're fine.

Personally, the quickest line through there. Puts me right on that edge.

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As to RBR, T1, the best I can figure is you can't go past the sausage up to a certain, unknown point down track, and you won't get a penalty if you lift at some unknown point, for an unknown time period, or if you only get back on the gas after some unknown point. It's actually very simple!

It is a bit of a puzzle and I have never heard a fully satisfactory explanation for that corner. There are at least four variables that need to be considered:

1. You go out of bounds (OOB) before the entry by putting four wheels on the green paint on the outside left. Keep two wheels on the red/white curbs and you are OK.
2. You cut the corner over the yellow bump and grass. Keep two wheels on the red/white curbs and you are OK.
3. You run wide past the yellow sausage. If you keep two wheels on the inside of the sausage then you are OK.
4. Any or all of the above could be forgiven if you slow by some unknown threshold.

My unscientific observation is that you are forgiven if you manage to pull to the right and get back to the tarmac before the thin white horizonal line near the end of corner.

It makes a tricky corner even harder.

 

[ASH32]

Yes, that's what should be allowed, but I've seen people going way wider without penalties.

What's their Dr level? I know in the past it used to let even B drivers (nevermind lower) exploit the track here more than A but that was when the limits were really stupid.

Also it's possible that they may not have ran wide there, it's just where your console thinks they have gone, even the replay can be different to in race. Last week at Monza I saw one driver cut corners all over the place without penalty, when I checked the replay they didn't cut any on that.

 

[Rexracer702]

What's their Dr level? I know in the past it used to let even B drivers (nevermind lower) exploit the track here more than A but that was when the limits were really stupid.

Also it's possible that they may not have ran wide there, it's just where your console thinks they have gone, even the replay can be different to in race. Last week at Monza I saw one driver cut corners all over the place without penalty, when I checked the replay they didn't cut any on that.

Same with cones. If you have them on, they can mess up your race if you hit them, but if the guy in front of you has them off and hits one, you see him bounce, but he doesn't feel a thing.

 

[Redneckchef]

@05XR8 man I know who that is in the black GTR without the names. Can be a fast racer, but really aggressive both in passing and defense. Anytime they are within 0.3 I pretty much know they are driving next braking zone. They are pretty quick with a late block too.

 

[05XR8]

@05XR8 man I know who that is in the black GTR without the names. Can be a fast racer, but really aggressive both in passing and defense. Anytime they are within 0.3 I pretty much know they are driving next braking zone. They are pretty quick with a late block too.

You have an "eagle" eye. Yeah, that player can be "razer" quick.

 

[Redneckchef]

You have an "eagle" eye. Yeah, that player can be "razer" quick.

You got it. 👍
Had a good battle or 2 with them over the last couple FIA seasons, but still dont have a lot of trust with them. Been pushed and dived on too many times to feel like I can race door to door and be safe.

 

[05XR8]

You got it. 👍
Had a good battle or 2 with them over the last couple FIA seasons, but still dont have a lot of trust with them. Been pushed and dived on too many times to feel like I can race door to door and be safe.

I do my best to qualify a couple cars ahead in Manu. If I start behind, no biggie. Sometimes, depends what car they choose for nations as well.

 

[D_Dragline]

You got it. 👍
Had a good battle or 2 with them over the last couple FIA seasons, but still dont have a lot of trust with them. Been pushed and dived on too many times to feel like I can race door to door and be safe.

I do my best to qualify a couple cars ahead in Manu. If I start behind, no biggie. Sometimes, depends what car they choose for nations as well.

So it's not just me he dislikes.

Although, I came across him a few times at Monza last week without incident.

Any time I'm in an FIA split with him it means I'm out of my depth anyway. Generally just watch him (and everyone else) sail off into the distance.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

It is a bit of a puzzle and I have never heard a fully satisfactory explanation for that corner. There are at least four variables that need to be considered:

1. You go out of bounds (OOB) before the entry by putting four wheels on the green paint on the outside left. Keep two wheels on the red/white curbs and you are OK.
2. You cut the corner over the yellow bump and grass. Keep two wheels on the red/white curbs and you are OK.
3. You run wide past the yellow sausage. If you keep two wheels on the inside of the sausage then you are OK.
4. Any or all of the above could be forgiven if you slow by some unknown threshold.

My unscientific observation is that you are forgiven if you manage to pull to the right and get back to the tarmac before the thin white horizonal line near the end of corner.

It makes a tricky corner even harder.

I saw an interview with a FIA representative about this. It's supposed to emulate a real race track limit decision, in the way that you are only given a penalty if you gain time..so if you run wide but lift and coast back you won't get s pen bit if you cut and put the hammer dawn you will.

 

[Redneckchef]

So it's not just me he dislikes.

Although, I came across him a few times at Monza last week without incident.

Any time I'm in an FIA split with him it means I'm out of my depth anyway. Generally just watch him (and everyone else) sail off into the distance.

Nonsense, you can beat me plenty and I've thrashed him a few times. Just load it up and drive. You're faster than you think!

 

[Norrin Radd]

I saw an interview with a FIA representative about this. It's supposed to emulate a real race track limit decision, in the way that you are only given a penalty if you gain time..so if you run wide but lift and coast back you won't get s pen bit if you cut and put the hammer dawn you will.

Yes the logic is sound, but it leaves it open to abuse. If the optimal time for the corner is 3 secs but I suck so it takes 4 secs by running wide I can do 3.5 with no pens so "happy days". Also if you spun out it would be a huge lose, not the few tenths you lose. See these things work IRL because if a driver was doing it every lap something would be done about it.
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[foolsgold74]

I guess the system could give you a warning for a small cut (one that is a half second pen just now) and then ding you every time after. Kind of like IRL.

But a big cut would be immediate penalty.

Come on PD we know you love to "improve" the penalty system!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Yes the logic is sound, but it leaves it open to abuse. If the optimal time for the corner is 3 secs but I suck so it takes 4 secs by running wide I can do 3.5 with no pens so "happy days". Also if you spun out it would be a huge lose, not the few tenths you lose. See these things work IRL because if a driver was doing it every lap something would be done about it.
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No no, it takes your times. That's why no one gets a penalty on lap one.

 

[Rexracer702]

Just lost my chance at my first win of the week. P2 on the grid, starting on mediums, p1 went wide on the first hairpin and I took the lead. Ran well, building to just under 8 seconds by the time I pitted on lap 7. Came out with 7.5 seconds on second, and I knew I was in trouble. Why, you may ask. I'll tell you. For all of my first stint I was watching the guy who started last. His tag said GOTNOBRAKES, but I knew who it really was by how he moved up the standings, and when he pitted on lap 5, and switched to mediums, I started to sweat. To be fair, I did have a slim chance. I was running a good pace, but too deep into the first hairpin on lap 9, lost maybe a second. A bit sideways in turn 1, more time gone. He caught me on lap 11, I think. I wasn't about to ruin both of our runs by trying to keep him behind me...I can't touch his lap times. I did finish in under 18:26, 2 second (plus) back. I'm up to SR97 now, and I didn't do anything stupid, so I can't really complain. I do have to wonder what would have happened if I started on hards...

 

[NAXEHT]

Would you call this a hot take? The death chicane at Dragon Trail Seaside is way easier than the “chicane”/T2-T4 at Dragon Trail Gardens.

 

[24HuresdeLoL]

Man how in the heck do people like @GOTMAXPOWER do this with an controller, cause major props to him! It's alot on mental energy trying to keep up with drivers that have 2-3 seconds worth of race pace on you. Kinda proud I got as high as I did in these races tbf.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Gee sometimes ya get no luck. Tight room, qualified 2nd but I know my race pace is a bit suss so want to do well on the first lap. Head into T1 at RBR and I get a blinder, perfect braking point, fast mid corner and gunshot exit. Thing is, P1 caught a kerb and half spun, I tapped his rear and copped a 1 sec penalty. Was P6 by end of lap, fought back up to 3rd but damn.

Anyone else finding the hard to be close enough to the medium at RBR? If I get it right on both tyres, I am only a half second slower on the hards.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Gee sometimes ya get no luck. Tight room, qualified 2nd but I know my race pace is a bit suss so want to do well on the first lap. Head into T1 at RBR and I get a blinder, perfect braking point, fast mid corner and gunshot exit. Thing is, P1 caught a kerb and half spun, I tapped his rear and copped a 1 sec penalty. Was P6 by end of lap, fought back up to 3rd but damn.

Anyone else finding the hard to be close enough to the medium at RBR? If I get it right on both tyres, I am only a half second slower on the hards.

Same.

Did you go from medium tires to hard tires? Later in the race the fuel load is lighter.

I noticed that my hard laps were comparable to the medium laps and started on the mediums.

 

[crusselz]

Anyone else finding the hard to be close enough to the medium at RBR? If I get it right on both tyres, I am only a half second slower on the hards.

Noticed that. Usually takes 2 or so laps on the hard tyres, before they seem to warm up. But once they are, they aren't too bad.

 

[KiepeYai]

mama mia , they claimed that they’ve fixed the penalty system , now let me do some rubbin is racing real quick

 

[crusselz]

mama mia , they claimed that they’ve fixed the penalty system , now let me do some rubbin is racing real quick

Pit loss is now about 20 seconds on race C. Tweaked the penalty system and the time loss for pit stops.

 

[KiepeYai]

Pit loss is now about 20 seconds on race C. Tweaked the penalty system and the time loss for pit stops.

What about the penalties, Saw something unsual yet ?

 

[D_Dragline]

Pit loss is now about 20 seconds on race C. Tweaked the penalty system and the time loss for pit stops.

I’ve been doing one stops but have noticed plenty doing 2 stops. I wonder how long before they all catch on?

 

[Norrin Radd]

No no, it takes your times. That's why no one gets a penalty on lap one.

Well that makes it a bit better, but if you do it every lap what then? No it really doesn't matter like I said something nuanced can only really work IRL, for a game it really needs hard rules.

 

[crusselz]

What about the penalties, Saw something unsual yet ?

Managed to keep it clean so far. But the few contacts I've seen in replays, have had far fewer penalties. Yet to see a blatant ram.

 

[GTR Racer 5]

Pit loss is now about 20 seconds on race C. Tweaked the penalty system and the time loss for pit stops.

with that in mind then, expect race C to always have a mandatory tyre switch from now on then. No more trying to make a set of hards last the full duration of the race.

 

[BalsBrother]

Sigh rip race C & 2 stops. Tyre wear when you race on a controller is pretty rough so I always felt better doing 2 stops but now not so much I guess. Feels like a bit of a kick in the exhaust right now.

Oh well penalties are supposed to be better, muted yay

 

[NosOsH]

So at 20 seconds, is that longer than before? Sorry i didnt race today so my brain is farting.

 

[Hasnain282]

So at 20 seconds, is that longer than before? Sorry i didnt race today so my brain is farting.

It was 8s previously