"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Groundfish]

My heart hurts and I get a lump in my throat when I watch the aliens drive and no amount of reminding myself that I'm new helps.

I find that I feel like I can’t improve at all, but looking back a few months reveals that’s not true.
This game is tough. Improvement seems like it happens slowly over time rather than a lightning bolt striking all at once. Every tenth helps.

Re C race, normally I like Lexus, but to me it feels excessively stiff this week where the new Nissan felt a bit more friendly and confidence inspiring. I’m horrible at the track though with it’s strange turns.

 

[BigSarj]

I find that I feel like I can’t improve at all, but looking back a few months reveals that’s not true.
This game is tough. Improvement seems like it happens slowly over time rather than a lightning bolt striking all at once. Every tenth helps.

Re C race, normally I like Lexus, but to me it feels excessively stiff this week where the new Nissan felt a bit more friendly and confidence inspiring. I’m horrible at the track though with it’s strange turns.

I'll keep this in mind. Thanks. I did take up this game to the degree that I have so I can be challenged. It's like lifting weights - the numbers don't lie. But following ghosts is brutal.

I'll probably try both cars in C. I'm working on a livery for the Lexus because "look good, play good".

 

[24HuresdeLoL]

My heart hurts and I get a lump in my throat when I watch the aliens drive and no amount of reminding myself that I'm new helps.

Like @Groundfish said, improvement is very slow and not indeed constant, since sometimes there will always be a bigger fish. But on these GT forums i've figured out some solace into knowing that even the aliens have their aliens.

 

[fisheye]

Sorry guys. I'll pack my bags and leave the forum, I'm clearly not on your skill level, nor do I have the brain power to improve and get to your level.


Apologies for having fun with a game and sharing that. My bad right.

You learned a tactic that will be useful in the future. It can be used as defense or offence... but you learned something. Keep racing and learning. I retired because of age and arthritis but I kept learning... That's the fun of it.

 

[NosOsH]

I took a step back from GTS over the last 12 months, still played often, a few days a week, but not the 1-3 hours a day i did since launch .
I felt like i plateau'd a while back and lost motivation because of that and the pen system, etc etc...
This week has been great for though, 121.8 keeps me in solid lobbies with mostly respectful lads. Little bumping and diving but I've found if I just hold back a little and play a little less aggressively, the surrounding drivers tend to do the same once they realize I ain't gonna shove it up the inside from 2 car lengths back. Some really good and respectful drivers are still doing that here and there, mostly out of fear I think, getting used to the new changes. But all in all Ive had resoundingly great racing all week so far.

Also I've converted to left foot braking just recently and have gotten back to where my usual pace was before. Im really liking it, I was scared of change, but after trying it in ACC and getting used to it in that game. Plus getting used to my LC pedals as well, Im feeling motivated again to try and improve.
I like how quickly you can apply and switch back & forth between gas and brake, plus I feel like I can modulate my left foot easier with my right foot floating on the loud pedal just inchs away.

 

[Little_Guppy]

Did you opt for Lexus because of the new update's pit times? I think I will also use the Lexus in the race because it is more stable for me.

My heart hurts and I get a lump in my throat when I watch the aliens drive and no amount of reminding myself that I'm new helps.

I did notice that Mistah MCA did a lap guide with the Lexus so I'll check that out before I race.

For me the Lexus has been my "Go To" Group 2 car. It feels softer and runs over bumps more nicely at the cost of being a bit sloppy. I am more comfortable in it and it could just be my imagination. The tire wear appears to be bit better. It just means that you get one extra lap on the better tire and for each lap before that point your tires are bit better than the other guys.

I have run the Nissan too. It feels very similar. There is not much to choose from between these two.

With respect pitting everyone needs to pit once so no real strategy there.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Anyone have an idea of a decentish qualifying time for Race C for a very low A/high B driver? Don't have a lot to compare against and would like to know before diving in! Thanks

That's my domain, I ran a 21.7 and qualify top 5 is S-B/A rooms.

 

[sturk0167]

@TonyTufast if you watch f1 you probably know the story of verstappen, he’s supremely talented, but unfortunately he couldn’t win races he should or even score decent points because he kept crashing into others, he got questioned by reporters severally about his racing etiquette to the point where he swore he would headbutt someone who will ask him the same question again, Deep down we all know he worked on that and now he’s considered as a title challenger, that being said, take what was said as constructive criticism, if these guys are A+ and you’re C , they’re definitely doing something better than you,, if you really want to improve , listen to them,

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• KiepeYai
• Feb 25, 2021

I’m grateful i did, and I STAYED

Full disclosure: My alt account graphs don't look very good.
It may appear that I race dirty, but I don't. I'll certainly punt somebody who earned it, but my graphs look the way they do because I start most of my races at the back.
I've had lots of resets, but not when I've raced with a Q time. Starting at the back, you're first lap or two, is usually racing against the worst drivers in the race. Most of my penalties have been from following somebody who brakes unexpectedly.

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• sturk0167
• Feb 25, 2021

 

[NevilleNobody]

For me the Lexus has been my "Go To" Group 2 car. It feels softer and runs over bumps more nicely at the cost of being a bit sloppy. I am more comfortable in it and it could just be my imagination. The tire wear appears to be bit better. It just means that you get one extra lap on the better tire and for each lap before that point your tires are bit better than the other guys.

I have run the Nissan too. It feels very similar. There is not much to choose from between these two.

As a pad used with inherent understeer, the Lexus really struggles to turn in. I ran it for one race then went back to the Nissan and the difference is quite large. It handled the slippery off camber downhill right better than the Nissan but through the double left handers it was slow to me.

 

[BigSarj]

Hey, while I have you helpful guys here, can someone point me towards the easiest things to improve? Like, I've been a casual fan of F1 and Indy my whole life but I only learned about trail braking a few weeks ago. I employed what I learned in that Race B at Brands Hatch and my DR shot up. Crazy.

I figure getting on full throttle early is what I need to learn next but this is proving to be very difficult. Is there another racing fundamental I can learn that has a lower learning curve?

 

[Tigerhawk87]

That's my domain, I ran a 21.7 and qualify top 5 is S-B/A rooms.

I've a bit of work to do! Sitting on 22.019 but just can't hook the good bits together

 

[NevilleNobody]

That's close enough, be mid pack or higher.

 

[Redneckchef]

Hey, while I have you helpful guys here, can someone point me towards the easiest things to improve? Like, I've been a casual fan of F1 and Indy my whole life but I only learned about trail braking a few weeks ago. I employed what I learned in that Race B at Brands Hatch and my DR shot up. Crazy.

I figure getting on full throttle early is what I need to learn next but this is proving to be very difficult. Is there another racing fundamental I can learn that has a lower learning curve?

We can all give you tips to different things, like making sure you mostly brake in a straight line, maintaining as smooth a line as possible and knowing to find consistent brake markers. Definitely practicing consistency is what I found to be the first major step. Once I found I was far more consistent I moved up plenty in races, but I was also then able to take the time to work on more things, such as how to ease on the throttle earlier, managing shifts and things of that sort. As always, Tidgney's Driving School is an awesome resource to use as he breaks a lot of it down, but also shows you demos of how it works and how to practice it. Check it out on YouTube.


As for my racing. I was a bit iffy on jumping in after the penalty update as I was mostly wanting to race in race A. Aside from 2 absolute Richards that were turn 1 atomic bombs it was very clean and respectable. More side by side in bits as we knew contact wouldn't be slammed with the penalty hammer, so it was good. The bombers did get dealt with. And after one got punished we actually had a really solid 2 lap battle the next race, so people are learning. It might not always be this way, but I think it can help for a while.

 

[foolsgold74]

The Lexus tire wear for RM is 1 lap better than the Nissan. Have not tried the Honda and almost no one is running it in the race. I guess tire wear. Do not know if it is true or not.

Based on my very limited experience it's true. Had a nice race with the NSX last night, 7th to 4th but had to ditch the mediums on lap 7 and by the last lap was really struggling. I had benefitted from others fighting earlier but P5 gained a good 2.5 seconds on me on the last lap as I nursed it home.

It handles nice on fresh rubber and I might be hard on tyres though, hard to tell.

 

[BigSarj]

We can all give you tips to different things, like making sure you mostly brake in a straight line, maintaining as smooth a line as possible and knowing to find consistent brake markers. Definitely practicing consistency is what I found to be the first major step. Once I found I was far more consistent I moved up plenty in races, but I was also then able to take the time to work on more things, such as how to ease on the throttle earlier, managing shifts and things of that sort. As always, Tidgney's Driving School is an awesome resource to use as he breaks a lot of it down, but also shows you demos of how it works and how to practice it. Check it out on YouTube.


As for my racing. I was a bit iffy on jumping in after the penalty update as I was mostly wanting to race in race A. Aside from 2 absolute Richards that were turn 1 atomic bombs it was very clean and respectable. More side by side in bits as we knew contact wouldn't be slammed with the penalty hammer, so it was good. The bombers did get dealt with. And after one got punished we actually had a really solid 2 lap battle the next race, so people are learning. It might not always be this way, but I think it can help for a while.

Gotcha. Consistency is the key. I'll work on that because acceleration is hard as hell. I love Tidgney's videos so I'll check out these driving school videos right after Sony's State of Play!

 

[Redneckchef]

Gotcha. Consistency is the key. I'll work on that because acceleration is hard as hell. I love Tidgney's videos so I'll check out these driving school videos right after Sony's State of Play!

Definitely consistency helps as if you can lap the same every time then you can actually pinpoint where improvements may be. The driving school will probably help with consistency as well. 👍

That and laps. Lots and lots of laps.

 

[sturk0167]

This is how the new penalty system works. A guy knocks me out of the way to take my spot at the final turn. It didn't really bother me, because I knew I'd get a position from him, at some point.
In the next race (forgot to save replay), I issued him a penalty.
I got a clean race bonus, going from 12th to 4th, while using his car to help me turn.
Remember, just because PD lets you get away with something, doesn't mean you won't face consequences.

 

[jnm23]

down to 1.07 at Sardegna. 2 wins this week.
I find the Golf the best due to stability and power on straights. Clio is horrible. DS3 handles well and I think top of the boards, but if you lose too much momentum you pay for it more.

 

[05XR8]

Okay, we need GR.4 Bathurst or Barcelona for Race C. Gotta try this 650S on my alt, before my main FIA.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I'll probably try both cars in C. I'm working on a livery for the Lexus because "look good, play good".

I was in a series a short while ago and ran the Lexus. I made a new livery for every race, for both me and my team mate. If you would like to use one while you work on your own they can be found here:
https://gts.gt-beginners.net/livery/?d=&lang=us&cartag=8349&searchword=Resident_Knievel&type=0

 

[BigSarj]

I was in a series a short while ago and ran the Lexus. I made a new livery for every race, for both me and my team mate. If you would like to use one while you work on your own they can be found here:
https://gts.gt-beginners.net/livery/?d=&lang=us&cartag=8349&searchword=Resident_Knievel&type=0

Very slick. I like the Keeper and K&N ones the best. Gonna rock the latter down in DR B tonight!

 

[O604]

This is how the new penalty system works. A guy knocks me out of the way to take my spot at the final turn. It didn't really bother me, because I knew I'd get a position from him, at some point.
In the next race (forgot to save replay), I issued him a penalty.
I got a clean race bonus, going from 12th to 4th, while using his car to help me turn.
Remember, just because PD lets you get away with something, doesn't mean you won't face consequences.

I feel sorry for the rental company that provides these cars for the week.

 

[OJBrit]

This is how the new penalty system works. A guy knocks me out of the way to take my spot at the final turn. It didn't really bother me, because I knew I'd get a position from him, at some point.
In the next race (forgot to save replay), I issued him a penalty.
I got a clean race bonus, going from 12th to 4th, while using his car to help me turn.
Remember, just because PD lets you get away with something, doesn't mean you won't face consequences.

New penalty system. Sturk decides who has been naughty and nice.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Advice to improve. I will start with mechanics, use manual tranny (i use auto) as it will aid turn in on certain corners. Learn to trail brake as well, saves a ton of time.

Also follow the track line, its an option on screen, its not perfect but I guarantee you are running wide more often than you think.

 

[Little_Guppy]

I've a bit of work to do! Sitting on 22.019 but just can't hook the good bits together

You are ready to enter races with that time. It is mid pack if you enter the top split and near the front for the High B races.

NB: I raced in the early morning where there are fewer racers so YMMV.

Enjoy!

 

[Little_Guppy]

Hey, while I have you helpful guys here, can someone point me towards the easiest things to improve? Like, I've been a casual fan of F1 and Indy my whole life but I only learned about trail braking a few weeks ago. I employed what I learned in that Race B at Brands Hatch and my DR shot up. Crazy.

I figure getting on full throttle early is what I need to learn next but this is proving to be very difficult. Is there another racing fundamental I can learn that has a lower learning curve?

I won't write a whole book since I don't know where you stand. Here are and handful and they are all easy to understand and try. Many are obvious, unless of course they are not.

1) Practice and increase exit speed for the corner preceding the longest straight as that is where you will gain the most time. And then the corner for the next longest straight and so on.

2) I watch hot laps and mark down the minimum speed used in each corner and set that as my target. Hint: you will need to brake sooner so that you can roll through the corner as you transition to the throttle. This technique will dispel the macho late-braking that tends to lower your corner speed and hence your exit speed. You are already trail braking so are on your way.

3) Search for @Tidgney 's Bathurst video at 18:40....
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/daily-race-discussion-archive.386265/page-2460#post-13342430
I will paraphrase. You can use 100% Brake. You can use 100% throttle. You can use 100% Steering. Or you can use 30% steering and 70% of something else. You fail if you use 110%. It is not exactly correct based on my physics textbook but the mindset is 100% correct.

4) the car turns better when you ease off the throttle.

5) the act of slowing down gets you through a corner. The deceleration from 150 kph to 130 kph shifts the weight forward and hence grip to the fronts making the turn possible. If you started at 130 kph you still need to slow down to something less to make the corner.

6) Sometimes, instead of braking, you can just lift the throttle.

Also, you can post a representative lap and ask folks to critique it. Try and include the on screen data that shows brake and throttle.

And when I started... I did not know about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and yep, didn't know about 6 either.

 

[Groundfish]

Huracán is good at B too.

I ran qual on it for you TCS 0 BB0. It hit 1:29.8 (a tenth up on my vette) but I could never race it. Any pressure on me and I’d stack it.
Very fast racecar, I shared the replay tagged tpc the chicane was nuts just pin it and hang on!
The cars just too sensitive for me and cockpit view has no mirror or camera. I’d run it in a race if it had a cockpit mirror...
I’m going to give my vette a second go to try to regain my official time but I don’t see that happening tbh.
Thanks for the tip tho! That thing hauls ass!

 

[BigSarj]

I won't write a whole book since I don't know where you stand. Here are and handful and they are all easy to understand and try. Many are obvious, unless of course they are not.

1) Practice and increase exit speed for the corner preceding the longest straight as that is where you will gain the most time. And then the corner for the next longest straight and so on.

2) I watch hot laps and mark down the minimum speed used in each corner and set that as my target. Hint: you will need to brake sooner so that you can roll through the corner as you transition to the throttle. This technique will dispel the macho late-braking that tends to lower your corner speed and hence your exit speed. You are already trail braking so are on your way.

3) Search for @Tidgney 's Bathurst video at 18:40....
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/daily-race-discussion-archive.386265/page-2460#post-13342430
I will paraphrase. You can use 100% Brake. You can use 100% throttle. You can use 100% Steering. Or you can use 30% steering and 70% of something else. You fail if you use 110%. It is not exactly correct based on my physics textbook but the mindset is 100% correct.

4) the car turns better when you ease off the throttle.

5) the act of slowing down gets you through a corner. The deceleration from 150 kph to 130 kph shifts the weight forward and hence grip to the fronts making the turn possible. If you started at 130 kph you still need to slow down to something less to make the corner.

6) Sometimes, instead of braking, you can just lift the throttle.

Also, you can post a representative lap and ask folks to critique it. Try and include the on screen data that shows brake and throttle.

And when I started... I did not know about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and yep, didn't know about 6 either.

Sage advice. 6 is one of those ones that will require a lot of experimenting. And 3 definitely makes sense. I had a really bad Sunday a couple of weeks ago my SR went down from 99 to nearly the bottom of C. In four races. And I NEVER retaliate and often let people pass me.

I was waiting for something along the lines of this latest update so I can't wait to try it out next race.

 

[ZiggyS80]

I'll keep this in mind. Thanks. I did take up this game to the degree that I have so I can be challenged. It's like lifting weights - the numbers don't lie. But following ghosts is brutal.

Good attitude about the challenge, but try a new perspective on the ghosts to keep your spirits up (bah-dum-hiss). If you haven’t set a top ten time before it isn’t a realistic goal to catch a top ten ghost. Set a more reasonable goal and take pride when you achieve it. I have the ghost reset if I fall so far behind. They used to reset in sector 1, but as I got better they reset later and later until they didn’t reset at all. I still don’t beat them, but each time I’m closer it’s a win. Good luck!

 

[foolsgold74]

So despite my concerns about the softer penalty system, so far it has been OK. I moved up to SR S from B due to some pretty clean racing by everyone I encountered.

And the bumper cars of race A have been ok. It's the kind of race where a bit of rubbing should be fine, very touring cars-esque.

Here's an example (also shared because things broke my way and I got 2nd!). Plenty contact but considering I race in a pretty low split and this was before I got back to SR S, I felt it was a well behaved race. Mistakes cost people far more than any silly moves. It was great fun.



I suppose the test is whether behaviours are adjusted for the faster races where that kind of contact won't wash. But even RBR in the gr 2 has been ok so far.

(Too optimistic? I have been drinking this evening)