"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[joetoml1n]

That was the worst week of my life. I lost 12k in DR from being punted off left, right and centre. Obviously the lower I got the worse it got. There’s just no deterrent to stop these people. I also know it’s my own fault, I could have just not kept playing. But there was the odd half decent race sprinkled in there which acted as that dangling carrot.
Daily races would also be much more fun with a proper Q before each race. Even if it was a one shot session.

 

[NoStopN]

Any thoughts on what will be a good group 4 car at Dragon Trail next week? I have been doing some practice with both the RCZ and Vantage. The Vantage likes the COD better than the RCZ.... Will this race be one dominated by the FFs. or do people expect an FR car with be the best at Seaside?

IIRC, race B is DTS next week, so no tire wear. Viper was good there the last time. I used the Corvette & Mustang as well. After the last BoP update, I still questioned if the Mustang had been given a handling tweak. I felt like the Gr. 3 Mustang did, but haven't spent enough time in the Gr. 4 to tell.

 

[PhlebMike]

Quite, but this is in a B lobby.

The basic math behind this is every driver who finishes ahead of you takes 80DR plus ([your DR-their DR]/500) from you. In a Daily Race C lobby finishing last on the road after a disconnect means you finish 15th, so 14 drivers ahead will take that amount from you*.

To lose 4,000DR to 14 drivers is 285 points per driver. 80 points of that is the raw amount, so you'd need to lose 205 DR to each driver - which means that ([your DR-their DR]/500) = 205, so 205 x 500 equals the difference in DR. Only problem is that's 102,500, which is bigger than any possible difference between any two drivers' DR in any lobby anywhere (100,000 - 1, or 99,999), so that's not possible.

The realistic maximum loss for that position in a B lobby is 1,680 (|80+[{30k-10k}/500]|x14)* - it's possible to lose more because it's possible for a B driver to have 100,000 points, but they would need to be B/B, not B/S. You can expect to lose 1,120 (80 x 14)*, as it's more likely you'll be behind some drivers with a higher DR (reducing the points lost) and some with a lower DR (increasing the points lost). 4,000 isn't possible.

Rational answers here include "you've previously lost more and whatever service you were using to keep an eye on it hadn't updated" - even if you're directly looking at the value on the GT website itself (which is where these services draw the data from), it sometimes doesn't actually update after each race; I've seen it update only after matchmaking for the next race. Of course even two races doesn't add up to 4k, but I suppose 3,480 (16th; 15th but last)* might look like 4k in the heat of the moment.


*I... can't recall how the game treats disconnected drivers, but you should gain points from them too, making these values too high by 80 or so points

I think I'll have to post the video of the race for this to make sense. It was my first race of the day, so the DR update lag is kind of a no-go. I can tell you I was at 12094 going into the race, so very low B. After the race, I was at 8041. It seems that the math says it can't happen, but it did happen. The worst part is that I LOVE Monza. This has seriously soured the experience.

 

[Redneckchef]

I think I'll have to post the video of the race for this to make sense. It was my first race of the day, so the DR update lag is kind of a no-go. I can tell you I was at 12094 going into the race, so very low B. After the race, I was at 8041. It seems that the math says it can't happen, but it did happen. The worst part is that I LOVE Monza. This has seriously soured the experience.

The only answer I can supply now that you have given us the numbers is that you lost a solid amount on 1 or 2 races, and then got hit with the penalty for dropping a DR letter. I think it used to be about 1500 or so points. So you have lost whatever it was in the races, and lost that 1500 as well.

 

[barak181]

I got to race with this gem of a guy today. I think I'll keep on using the alt for dailies.

 

[Groundfish]

I did around 30 or so b races in total. 99 percent were excellent. That includes starting from 14th to second.
I really had the mojo rolling. Everyone was totally cool until late Sunday.
Good week of racing.
I got that win, but it woulda been nice to make it official.
On the bright side I did a great creative revenge on him that worked perfectly with zero collateral damage. If I had to score it it’s close to a perfect ten, but I’ll wait to see what others think...My initial thought is it was the Bo Derek of revenge moves. 10. @sturk0167???

I mean I’m thinking I could rock a despicable me avatar, at this point...

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

Looking forward to the GTi, first real road car that caught my eye growing up. Dragon Trail will see the return on the FF's and the Gr.2 will probably be a one make race too.

 

[05XR8]

Used the RC F in GR.2. it's always good. Consistent. I tried to set a time, but maybe Cher just before I got to the line. Started last and finished 11th. Was stuck behind a couple cautious drivers. Pitted to RS on Lap 4. Got stick b hjnd a blocking GT-R. Of course this dwindles away our nearly 5 second gap to the cars behind me. We were 9th &10th.

Dude finally takes himself out, at the bottom bottom tri-hairpin.

Going with the 86 I. race B. Might try the 448, Huracan and 4C.

 

[BalsBrother]

Used the RC F in GR.2. it's always good. Consistent. I tried to set a time, but maybe Cher just before I got to the line. Started last and finished 11th. Was stuck behind a couple cautious drivers. Pitted to RS on Lap 4. Got stick b hjnd a blocking GT-R. Of course this dwindles away our nearly 5 second gap to the cars behind me. We were 9th &10th.

Dude finally takes himself out, at the bottom bottom tri-hairpin.

Going with the 86 I. race B. Might try the 448, Huracan and 4C.

Will be running the RC F too just because I like the Lexus stability and brakes. Sure the GT-R is faster but this track in this layout has a lot of weird difficult corners that will spit you off track in heartbeat so for me stability before speed in this case. Keep it on the track first priority and the speed will come later.

 

[05XR8]

Used the 458. Went 1 second quicker than I did in the 86. The FFs aren't that fast over a lap in race pace. The corner exit acceleration is nil, compared to a good MR and a fast AWD.
Players still holding onto the Veyrons. They're good in the right hands.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

3 race C this morning. Met a Spanish driver that already on lap 3 tried to force me off with sideswipes several times. Called him out in next race. He races me clean, but as soon as he got in front and I do a cut back he plows in front and then turns in so he pit manouver himself on me.
The dirty was not dirty, just lack of spacial awareness. I guess he was in good can with no radar.
Well, I came P2, p3 and p5. Last race I started on mediums, did not work for me.
3.5K DR +

 

[MidnightRun85]

Race C will be good fun this week, as long as you don't get dive bombed at the first corner and Big Banky Boy. I'll have a go in each of the different cars, but probably Q in the GT-R.

 

[GTPNewsWire]

This is the discussion thread for a recent post on GTPlanet:

GT Sport Daily Races: Par for the Course

This article was published by Andrew Evans (@Famine) on April 12th, 2021 in the Gran Turismo Sport category.

 

[05XR8]

Man, the FFs can kick rocks. Really.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Race C will be good fun this week, as long as you don't get dive bombed at the first corner and Big Banky Boy. I'll have a go in each of the different cars, but probably Q in the GT-R.

I saw several -08 cars in my races. One, a Lexus 08 came second in the last race, starting from the rear, about p17 I think.
He was in top 5 each time. There where other older cars too but they didn't dare so well.

 

[MidnightRun85]

I saw several -08 cars in my races. One, a Lexus 08 came second in the last race, starting from the rear, about p17 I think.
He was in top 5 each time. There where other older cars too but they didn't dare so well.

I think the '08 Lexus is the quickest of the '08 cars and the only one which can challenge the '16 cars. In my hands anyway...

 

[Timm Sheehan]

I think the '08 Lexus is the quickest of the '08 cars and the only one which can challenge the '16 cars. In my hands anyway...

I think it handles really well for me. I am going to try it just because it handles the best in my hands.

 

[MidnightRun85]

This confuses me, extracted from the daily race article published earlier:

"You will need to be aware of a couple of things for the ten-lap race though. Firstly, the circuit is the reverse layout of the Lago Maggiore GP track, which means the first turn is the vaguely apexed uphill right-hander and the final corner is the slowest on the track — so expect late-race dive bombs."

Am I being a complete moron or is the first turn not a downhill left hairpin, and the final corner is the esses which drop downhill in this layout and the hairpin after the reverse CoD is slower than these esses? I might be remembering the track incorrectly, but this description is just confusing me.

EDIT: I'm being a complete moron! Sleep deprivation will do that to you... Mixing Race B and Race C tracks like a complete numpty.

 

[pedrocor]

Quite, but this is in a B lobby.

The basic math behind this is every driver who finishes ahead of you takes 80DR plus ([your DR-their DR]/500) from you. In a Daily Race C lobby finishing last on the road after a disconnect means you finish 15th, so 14 drivers ahead will take that amount from you*.

To lose 4,000DR to 14 drivers is 285 points per driver. 80 points of that is the raw amount, so you'd need to lose 205 DR to each driver - which means that ([your DR-their DR]/500) = 205, so 205 x 500 equals the difference in DR. Only problem is that's 102,500, which is bigger than any possible difference between any two drivers' DR in any lobby anywhere (100,000 - 1, or 99,999), so that's not possible.

The realistic maximum loss for that position in a B lobby is 1,680 (|80+[{30k-10k}/500]|x14)* - it's possible to lose more because it's possible for a B driver to have 100,000 points, but they would need to be B/B, not B/S. You can expect to lose 1,120 (80 x 14)*, as it's more likely you'll be behind some drivers with a higher DR (reducing the points lost) and some with a lower DR (increasing the points lost). 4,000 isn't possible.

Rational answers here include "you've previously lost more and whatever service you were using to keep an eye on it hadn't updated" - even if you're directly looking at the value on the GT website itself (which is where these services draw the data from), it sometimes doesn't actually update after each race; I've seen it update only after matchmaking for the next race. Of course even two races doesn't add up to 4k, but I suppose 3,480 (16th; 15th but last)* might look like 4k in the heat of the moment.


*I... can't recall how the game treats disconnected drivers, but you should gain points from them too, making these values too high by 80 or so points

Yeah, last Saturday I started a race A 8th on a full C grade grid.
Exiting the first corner, some people bumping each other someone got pushed full speed to the left, just in my way, as I was trying to avoid the melee.
Unfortunately the car didn't get ghosted, pushed me into a spin to the gravel. Result, as the other cars get reseted, mine didn't, so I got dead last, some 5 sec from the next car on order. Gained a position as other car spun too further in the race, but that was it. Lost some 240 points only (and actually gained 6 SR points, with a "Clean Race" mark, considering I was planted on the gravel after the first corner )

 

[MIE1992]

I think a large reason why I haven't touched GTS in a while is the daily race design. I'm tired of it basically being the following:

Race A: N-Series one-make
Race B: Any Gr.4/Gr.3 car
Race C: Any Gr.3/Gr.2/Gr.1 car

It's almost every time, too. I think we'd have a lot less complaints about stuff like Group C cars in Gr.1 or the McLaren F1 GTR in Gr.3 if the overwhelming majority of races restricted players to using a certain sub-set of cars that follows a certain motif, within a certain group. So for example, maybe Race A could be an N400 race, but specifically limited to the Toyota Tundra TRD Pro and the Ford F-150 SVT Raptor. Or we could have more races like the couple times we could only use the Group C cars within Gr.1. I'd also have this apply to the FIAGTCs, too.

In fact, if in the ideally rare case that all cars from a class were permitted, I'd allow tuning - or perhaps to a limited extent, like just the front and rear downforce. This would be on top of BoP being on. This way, players could tune their favorites insofar they're still viable, basically patching up any inequities that BoP doesn't cover. And I would also hope that in GT7, tuning is made more fun or at least easier to understand, as it's usually felt quite cryptic in the series. I recall there being an online time trial on one of the Sardegna tarmac courses for any Gr.4 car with tuning enabled, and I did quite well with the Hyundai Genesis. Heck, all I did was tune the gear ratios and maybe the downforce - I can't recall exactly. But that's what I'd do if all cars were permitted in a given class, and I'd make that in itself be very rare.

Ideally, I am hoping that both the campaign and online play in GT7 will incentivize players to use almost every car in the game at least once.

 

[juanito0585]

Recovery drive at Monza, pitted first lap let everyone go, never overtook finished sixth. Obligatory non 99 sr win at Interlagos...View attachment 1002928

Are u SeaBass? We raced togheter like 5 times at Interlagos, didn´t recognized u... I´m FARGT_Juanito

 

[Groundfish]

Are u SeaBass? We raced togheter like 5 times at Interlagos, didn´t recognized u... I´m FARGT_Juanito

Hey cool! Yes that’s my daily acct.
I’ve been looking up some replays just now sharing them in game.
I almost got a win a few times, but no wins. My best one a Brazilian cheater punted me off on the last turn. I shared the replay and the one several races later where I took revenge .
That was some great racing this week. My high point was almost overtaking Zanetti in one.
His line was pulling me around. I shared it, but he pulled me into some fast times all while I was riding his bumper! That guy did his country proud!
Nice to meet you .
I’m trying to share equal good to bad with my replays haha. There was much more good than bad!
Lol GTS has @sturk0167 to blame for the existence of the notorious BASS. Lmao.
Anyone who knows me knows why I um uh kinda well don’t want to use my official uh team prefix even in my FIA acct. I might snap and do stupid things sometimes as evidenced on the shared video...Please say hi if you’re from here. You won’t be touched.

 

[joetoml1n]

How does Qualy actually work for Daily Races? Since I was robbed 14k DR compared to last week, I thought to myself "Oh no problem, I'll smash a couple race wins at a lower level and work my way back up quick enough".

No..

Spent 10ish mins to put a half decent lap time in for Race C, nothing major but I just wanted to get that DR up as quickly as possible, so just needed something good for a good starting position. At the time is was <350 overall and in the top 2% for "B" rating. I thought that'd be fine for this level, I didn't want to spend much time, I just want to get a couple races in and go back to putting my best lap in when my rating goes up. I thought it'd be good enough for roughly a top few row start, given its supposed to be top 2% right? So how come I keep starting around 10th? And there are sporadic S/A+/A drivers in this lobby?
So basically:
1) How do other higher rated drivers get into lower lobbies? Surely the bracketing system is supposed to stop this (and it's 100% because there's not enough players to fill a lobby of 16!!).
2) What determines what is pole in each given lobby? It seems somewhat predetermined. Surely whatever the time is, it should be good enough for pole in a low lobby and last in a high lobby. But It always seems to put me mid pack, raising and lowering the skill level to ensure this?

While I don't mind racing currently higher rated drivers (I want to get my rating back and get nearer to that level myself), how does it work in their favour but seemingly never in mine! Haha.

All this does is cement the fact that a very quick Q session would be much better for daily races.

 

[triebs2]

It sounds like you are signing on and driving a race during a less popular time period. In a super popular race where tons of people are signed on, the game divides us by SR first and DR second.*
*Caveat, everyone at or above 90 SR is ranked by DR first.

In the late night less popular race A dailies that I often end up doing, I (B/S) often end up racing an A+ driver or two even though I would normally never see them, simply because there are not enough people signed on during that time period. But if I sign on at 6 p.m. local I can race with all kinds of B/S drivers.

The system is designed to first separate the less careful drivers from the more careful drivers, but under the current penalty system (almost no contact penalties except extreme punts) it is super easy to maintain an "S" rating over 90 and if you are such a driver you are just put into lobbies based on DR.

How does Qualy actually work for Daily Races? Since I was robbed 14k DR compared to last week, I thought to myself "Oh no problem, I'll smash a couple race wins at a lower level and work my way back up quick enough".

No..

Spent 10ish mins to put a half decent lap time in for Race C, nothing major but I just wanted to get that DR up as quickly as possible, so just needed something good for a good starting position. At the time is was <350 overall and in the top 2% for "B" rating. I thought that'd be fine for this level, I didn't want to spend much time, I just want to get a couple races in and go back to putting my best lap in when my rating goes up. I thought it'd be good enough for roughly a top few row start, given its supposed to be top 2% right? So how come I keep starting around 10th? And there are sporadic S/A+/A drivers in this lobby?
So basically:
1) How do other higher rated drivers get into lower lobbies? Surely the bracketing system is supposed to stop this (and it's 100% because there's not enough players to fill a lobby of 16!!).
2) What determines what is pole in each given lobby? It seems somewhat predetermined. Surely whatever the time is, it should be good enough for pole in a low lobby and last in a high lobby. But It always seems to put me mid pack, raising and lowering the skill level to ensure this?

While I don't mind racing currently higher rated drivers (I want to get my rating back and get nearer to that level myself), how does it work in their favour but seemingly never in mine! Haha.

All this does is cement the fact that a very quick Q session would be much better for daily races.

 

[joetoml1n]

It sounds like you are signing on and driving a race during a less popular time period.

Yeah, but it’s 5pm on Day 1 of the new weekly races, I think it’s a popular enough time? It’s not that much of a ghost town on GT Sport just yet, is it? Thousands of people are currently online, yes maybe not all racing currently, but still.


I just think the system is flawed. A qualy session would be much better. The point still stands that X:XX should be good enough for pole AND last, depending on skill level of the overall lobby. Never seems to be that way though.

 

[triebs2]

Yeah, but it’s 5pm on Day 1 of the new weekly races, I think it’s a popular enough time? It’s not that much of a ghost town on GT Sport just yet, is it? Thousands of people are currently online, yes maybe not all racing currently, but still.


I just think the system is flawed. A qualy session would be much better. The point still stands that X:XX should be good enough for pole AND last, depending on skill level of the overall lobby. Never seems to be that way though.

Ah sorry, I am not sure of your DR but you may be having the opposite problem of being a high DR driver who is in a popular lobby, and thus there is always going to be people faster.
If you want to game your DR and/or get pole positions, you just need to set your alien qualifying time and then be the best qual time in the lobby.
It seems like top split DRs usually range from 40K to 80K DR, but in a Monday popular Daily C lobby in Europe I have often seen split one getting all 72K and above drivers and some of the Aplus drivers will get knocked down into the second split, and A drivers will be in splits 3 or even 4.

And I totally agree that a qual session for longer Daily C races would be ideal.

 

[Tidgney]

2 Death Chicanes, and my favourite track! This weeks weekly guide;

 

[OJBrit]

What determines pole is whoever set the fastest qualifying time trail lap out of the people who match in a lobby. Simply put whilst your time might be an excellent time it is not better than some others that have been matched with you and therefore you start behind them. There isn't any cheating by the game to ensure certain people get poles, it's just unfortunate on your part.

So it seems I am not fast this week. Damn.
Race A. I was slowly building my lap time learning where I can brake less and throw the car in a bit more. I still only qualified 10th. Got an average start. Nobody seemed to muck up but a car did get alongside me somehow. This put me on the outside coming out of Fordwater towards the right kink. I passed a couple of cars on the outside and I got myself alongside another car for St. Mary's. They turned across me and spun out. Not my fault and nothing I could have done, so unfortunate for them. I was able to gap the cars behind and couldn't make inroads ahead. Until the last lap.

It looks like the two ahead came together going through the chicane as they were both wide. Then came together through Madgwick. Despite coming back on ahead of me they continued to bash each other giving me the easiest 2 overtakes I will ever have. Crossed the line 5th for a decent result.

Race B.
Not sure what car to choose for this so jumped into the 458 as it is a decent all rounder. Only got a couple of laps in and qualified 13th, but started 12th as someone quit. Kept my position first lap, but got dived late into the seaside hairpin. I was able to keep it around the outside for the first part of the chicane, but someone hit the outside wall on exit slowing my enough to lose a position as I gained one. Lap 3 and the Atenza behind somehow gets a massive run out of the COD and I just can only watch it blaze past. I don't know how they did that but fair play. However I am quicker into the left before the esses and I slightly tap them, barely considered an assault in this country. However the car goes full drama mode and just spins out for no reason. DFL where I finish.

Race C.
Seems I have no pace here. I don't get a chance to set a lap and start 19th. I get complemented on my opening message. I see that my bars have gone down to 1. Throughout the race I experienced everything from 1 to 4 bars. However it didn't seem to effect any of the race. Race starts and someone forgets to go. I am on meds first stint. Everyone ahead just pulls away. But I manage to reel in a few slowpokes struggling. Lap 4 and I catch up to a driver who is recovering from a spin. It is a driver I encountered last week and whilst they weren't dirty their driving was a load of Belox! (a clue to the name.) They pitted ahead of me and went from softs to meds whilst I did the opposite. The first lap they are all over the place and my car comes alive on the faster rubber. They go wide into the final hairpin and I take the normal line and don't have to worry about them again this race. A German has some difficulties in the BBB and I gain another place. This puts me a few seconds back from a Spaniard struggling on their tyres. Eventually they spin on the exit of the final corner. After this I am well behind the car in front and cross the line in no mans land in 11th.
I don't like the layout and I think others are massively faster so I will probably only do 1 or 2 Race C's this week.

 

[joetoml1n]

Simply put whilst your time might be an excellent time it is not better than some others that have been matched with you and therefore you start behind them.

I think that's the point I'm trying to make here, or rather understand. How does it decide who matches with who.. There's more than enough people of an equivalent skill level online, I'm just trying to work out while I'm almost entirely middle of the pack. Not first but equally not last. That's the most annoying thing. If in some races I was on Pole, and then the next race I was last, I could understand that. That should be how their matchmaking system of offline qualy should work - except it doesn't seem to be that way. In fact, I'd welcome that. When you can't influence a Q result in the lobby (it's all predetermined), it should have more variation. Obviously the "aliens" would moan at this, and who are PD going to listen to the most..

Side note, that in a "ranked" game mode, they should show the rank and skill of the lobby - a bit like in FIA races where you can see the points on offer. Companies seem adverse to this - see SBMM in CoD for example!

 

[OJBrit]

I'd love a qualy before the race. That feels more real for me, but I understand why they do it this way.
With the current penalty system there is more drivers at high S rank. As others have pointed out since then it seems to mean that you are matched closer to your DR level than beforehand. So essentially you are currently being matched to people close to whatever your DR is.