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Barney Da Dog
I was quite angry after this! Guy started P10, barged through everyone, and obviously wanted to win fairly with his gracious manoeuvre at the finish.

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If I was in your shoes & I saw him moving left, I would have started turning right to give myself room & not get pinched into the wall. But, we've all been there & we all learn that lesson. Show no mercy. Remember what your sensei taught you.

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NoStopN
If I was in your shoes & I saw him moving left, I would have started turning right to give myself room & not get pinched into the wall. But, we've all been there & we all learn that lesson. Show no mercy. Remember what your sensei taught you.
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Yeah, I guess I thought he may have been a fair racer - couldn't see all the dirty moves til I saw the replay. Without the wall scrape I may just have made it past. If the tables are reversed I may return the favour.
 
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Little_Guppy
And the daily races have been more pushy and bumpy since PD relaxed the penalty system. There are many archived messages over the last few months.

The daily "A" race tends to use slower cars, closer together, grid start, with a slip/draft. It means they will be more punchy. As you go down in the DR and SR it gets, well, a little punchier. Some of it is due to malice. Much of it is just people trying their best, or beyond their limits, and they make lots of mistakes with no ill intent. Forgive and move on.

Try Group 4 if you haven't already. Don't be intimidated by the "Race car" class. There will be a DragonTrail Seaside race "B" next week and that is a good introduction.

Use your mirrors if your view has them. If not, set your DPAD view to show the radar, and use the time deltas to detect when another car is less than 1.0 s behind you.

This is my general advice for new players. Don't quit a game (as you noted). Manage your frustration. Practice and get consistent laps - you will hear that over and over because it is the key ingredient. Avoid retaliation - it just hurts you. Avoid penalties and let others make mistakes. Don't obsess over the DR.

Eventually, you will find what works for you and then follow that.

And there are *definitely* different opinions on the whole forgive/retaliation thing.
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Thanks @Little_Guppy

I will try Race B next week. I have done Gr3 and G4 races before and have raced that track although I think it was the reverse layout!

I tend to try Race A or B and just stick to one race each week so I can learn the track and hopefully improve over the week. The last 2 weeks I have concentrated on Race A but that has coincided with the downturn in my DR. The grid starts and slower cars don't help as even when I start near the front of the grid the first corner tends to be a free for all with everyone so tightly packed together. I have lost count of the number of times I have been barged off the track or spun around within the first few corners. Hopefully I will have better luck with Race B next week...
 
I know it comes up as a combo quite often. But I really enjoy group 3 around interlagos.

Didn't have much time to race during the week, could only hop on for a few races yesterday. Running from the back. Which were a disaster, pushed off several times, lost about 7,000 DR.

Put some work in to my quali today, to start further up the grid. Got that down to a 30.4. Which puts me in the mid to front pack.

Gained about 13,000 DR. Back up to 35K. All in all, been good fun, with loads of clean races.
 
I just shared up the race B I was just involved in. Search TPC.
Lap 4 turn 1 a fallen alien tried to get physical but I knew how to use the runoff!
Rough race but I was able to hang on and not get offed!
 
It's definitely the driver.
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This what I'm sure we all been dealing with this week. Still can't understand why noone just stay in the train and wait it out. When I get the run on the striaght towards the parabolica, I don't jump in front of anyone to hog the inside line. I move left to the racing line and brake outside, leaving room. The cars in this video, all used me as a leftside barrier to round the corner. I didn't go off, but it slowed me down. Karma got 'em.
 
crusselz
I know it comes up as a combo quite often. But I really enjoy group 3 around interlagos.

Didn't have much time to race during the week, could only hop on for a few races yesterday. Running from the back. Which were a disaster, pushed off several times, lost about 7,000 DR.

Put some work in to my quali today, to start further up the grid. Got that down to a 30.4. Which puts me in the mid to front pack.

Gained about 13,000 DR. Back up to 35K. All in all, been good fun, with loads of clean races.
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You guys are crazy fast. I worked really hard on qualifying but I guess it wasn't enough. I refuse to do a race unless I'm at LEAST in the top half of the grid. I also love Gr 3 Interlagos but I had to opt out.

Looking forward to Gr2 at LM II next week. I find Race C to be rather civil at my DR. Hopefully I can farm some podiums but I should probably not count my chickens yet.
 
05XR8
It's definitely the driver.
EypcxARUYAIPFTz

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Edit: Confirmed!
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This what I'm sure we all been dealing with this week. Still can't understand why noone just stay in the train and wait it out. When I get the run on the striaght towards the parabolica, I don't jump in front of anyone to hog the inside line. I move left to the racing line and brake outside, leaving room. The cars in this video, all used me as a leftside barrier to round the corner. I didn't go off, but it slowed me down. Karma got 'em.
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If there’s no one on my tail I do the same as you, but if anyone is within 0.3s approaching the braking point I move one car width inside, not to defend but to avoid becoming a mobile Armco. It doesn’t effect my Parabolica exit speed as much as nudges from the inside.
 
I got seriously griefed by some driver at Monza. The guy was mad I wouldn't just drive my Lambo off the road when he tried to slam his way through me with his RCZ. He did manage to spin me from 5th to second to last. After that, it was rear ending, break checking, and trying to push me off again. Finally, he disconnected, leaving me in last place. Great fun in the B/S lobby. What really burned me was that I dropped 4K in DR with no loss of SR. In light of the fact that a win is only about 1.5 -2 K, how is this reasonable? I'll take any rational answer.
 
PhlebMike
I got seriously griefed by some driver at Monza. The guy was mad I wouldn't just drive my Lambo off the road when he tried to slam his way through me with his RCZ. He did manage to spin me from 5th to second to last. After that, it was rear ending, break checking, and trying to push me off again. Finally, he disconnected, leaving me in last place. Great fun in the B/S lobby. What really burned me was that I dropped 4K in DR with no loss of SR. In light of the fact that a win is only about 1.5 -2 K, how is this reasonable? I'll take any rational answer.
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Your DR change comes from the DR of cars in front and the DR of cars behind. If you were the highest rated driver in that race and came last you lost DR proportional to the difference between you and the other drivers. You could also gain 4K DR if you won a race where everyone else had a much higher DR than you.
 
ii_Biggles_ii
Yes everyone is too messy now and no fun anymore unless your way out in front.
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Managed to win 2 races today (first wins this week), starting on pole I survived the first corner carnage and went on to win by 7-8 seconds in both races.
Latest race I was 2nd going into the Corkscrew on the final lap. Got punted from behind just as I turned in, spun around and reset before the Corkscrew. Ended up 9th and losing more DR. The driver that punted me got away with no penalty and finished 2nd... no apology after the race!!
 
PhlebMike
I got seriously griefed by some driver at Monza. The guy was mad I wouldn't just drive my Lambo off the road when he tried to slam his way through me with his RCZ. He did manage to spin me from 5th to second to last. After that, it was rear ending, break checking, and trying to push me off again. Finally, he disconnected, leaving me in last place. Great fun in the B/S lobby. What really burned me was that I dropped 4K in DR with no loss of SR. In light of the fact that a win is only about 1.5 -2 K, how is this reasonable? I'll take any rational answer.
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D_Dragline
Your DR change comes from the DR of cars in front and the DR of cars behind. If you were the highest rated driver in that race and came last you lost DR proportional to the difference between you and the other drivers. You could also gain 4K DR if you won a race where everyone else had a much higher DR than you.
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Quite, but this is in a B lobby.

The basic math behind this is every driver who finishes ahead of you takes 80DR plus ([your DR-their DR]/500) from you. In a Daily Race C lobby finishing last on the road after a disconnect means you finish 15th, so 14 drivers ahead will take that amount from you*.

To lose 4,000DR to 14 drivers is 285 points per driver. 80 points of that is the raw amount, so you'd need to lose 205 DR to each driver - which means that ([your DR-their DR]/500) = 205, so 205 x 500 equals the difference in DR. Only problem is that's 102,500, which is bigger than any possible difference between any two drivers' DR in any lobby anywhere (100,000 - 1, or 99,999), so that's not possible.

The realistic maximum loss for that position in a B lobby is 1,680 (|80+[{30k-10k}/500]|x14)* - it's possible to lose more because it's possible for a B driver to have 100,000 points, but they would need to be B/B, not B/S. You can expect to lose 1,120 (80 x 14)*, as it's more likely you'll be behind some drivers with a higher DR (reducing the points lost) and some with a lower DR (increasing the points lost). 4,000 isn't possible.

Rational answers here include "you've previously lost more and whatever service you were using to keep an eye on it hadn't updated" - even if you're directly looking at the value on the GT website itself (which is where these services draw the data from), it sometimes doesn't actually update after each race; I've seen it update only after matchmaking for the next race. Of course even two races doesn't add up to 4k, but I suppose 3,480 (16th; 15th but last)* might look like 4k in the heat of the moment.


*I... can't recall how the game treats disconnected drivers, but you should gain points from them too, making these values too high by 80 or so points
 
Famine
Quite, but this is in a B lobby.

The basic math behind this is every driver who finishes ahead of you takes 80DR plus ([your DR-their DR]/500) from you. In a Daily Race C lobby finishing last on the road after a disconnect means you finish 15th, so 14 drivers ahead will take that amount from you*.

To lose 4,000DR to 14 drivers is 285 points per driver. 80 points of that is the raw amount, so you'd need to lose 205 DR to each driver - which means that ([your DR-their DR]/500) = 205, so 205 x 500 equals the difference in DR. Only problem is that's 102,500, which is bigger than any possible difference between any two drivers' DR in any lobby anywhere (100,000 - 1, or 99,999), so that's not possible.

The realistic maximum loss for that position in a B lobby is 1,680 (|80+[{30k-10k}/500]|x14)* - it's possible to lose more because it's possible for a B driver to have 100,000 points, but they would need to be B/B, not B/S. You can expect to lose 1,120 (80 x 14)*, as it's more likely you'll be behind some drivers with a higher DR (reducing the points lost) and some with a lower DR (increasing the points lost). 4,000 isn't possible.

Rational answers here include "you've previously lost more and whatever service you were using to keep an eye on it hadn't updated" - even if you're directly looking at the value on the GT website itself (which is where these services draw the data from), it sometimes doesn't actually update after each race; I've seen it update only after matchmaking for the next race. Of course even two races doesn't add up to 4k, but I suppose 3,480 (16th; 15th but last)* might look like 4k in the heat of the moment.


*I... can't recall how the game treats disconnected drivers, but you should gain points from them too, making these values too high by 80 or so points
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Could well be they've looked at the whole days racing over several races rather than just 1 race.
 
Man, trying for a true real victory is so tough at Interlagos.
I think I’ve done all I can by running twice now 4 laps in race 30.6 and under.
I lost by a tenth picking up the Brazilian aheads line for 30.3 .3 .4 then managed to get alongside last lap twice but he covered off and the
Final lap 31.1!!!
Wow, I just gotta congratulate anyone who can run those laps with a car close on their tail!
This may be the absolute best I got, and still can’t force a mistake from the leader...
#mygtmoment my best track, in the zone, just cannot catch a break!
 
Earlier in the week I messed around with the RCZ In Race C. The RCZ brakes much better than the Veyron. That is, until about lap 6 or 7, when (imo) the RCZ DOES NOT BRAKE AT ALL (lol) and becomes undriveable. I had a race where it was all I could do to stay on the track for laps 9 and 10.. Kudos to anyone who is skilled enough to drive some of these cars on hard tires in laps 7 to 10... The Veyron is fine, but some others like the RCZ are like driving on ice or wet grass....

Any thoughts on what will be a good group 4 car at Dragon Trail next week? I have been doing some practice with both the RCZ and Vantage. The Vantage likes the COD better than the RCZ.... Will this race be one dominated by the FFs. or do people expect an FR car with be the best at Seaside?
 
newb1017
Earlier in the week I messed around with the RCZ In Race C. The RCZ brakes much better than the Veyron. That is, until about lap 6 or 7, when (imo) the RCZ DOES NOT BRAKE AT ALL (lol) and becomes undriveable. I had a race where it was all I could do to stay on the track for laps 9 and 10.. Kudos to anyone who is skilled enough to drive some of these cars on hard tires in laps 7 to 10... The Veyron is fine, but some others like the RCZ are like driving on ice or wet grass....

Any thoughts on what will be a good group 4 car at Dragon Trail next week? I have been doing some practice with both the RCZ and Vantage. The Vantage likes the COD better than the RCZ.... Will this race be one dominated by the FFs. or do people expect an FR car with be the best at Seaside?
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RacingGrandpa
Last time it was Jag and McLaren but both lost a little power.
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Groundfish
Seaside gr4...Viper...
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For a C race with tire wear the RCZ is the worst of the FF drives with respect to tire wear. The Audi TT is better on tires but a tad slower. In order for an FF to survive a 10-lap-tire-wear-no-stop race:
  1. you need to manage the tires which means braking earlier and gentler offesetting some of the brake advantage,
  2. do not have an off as the gravel will hurt the tires - badly,
  3. shift the BB to the rear as much as you dare to save tires. At BB+5 the TT becomes squirrely under heavy braking at T1. You can wipe out under heavy braking all by yourself in the TT. I have used BB+3.
  4. do not engage with others as you will lose every dogfight - the Veyrons are like concrete compared to the FFs.
Very difficult to do. I have both gained places and experienced DFL with this weeks race.


For DTS: @GroundHog already mentioned the Viper. @RacingGrandpa - the 650S and F-Type.

Like last week's NGP combo, a flowing track with no tire wear, I expect to see a mix of FF/AWD/RWD drivetrains. The FFs, the Viper, the F-Type and a few others have been nerfed in recent BoPs. I expect the WRX to be competitive as it was at NGP and made an impressive cameo appearance at Monza, beating many Veyrons though it appeared to be piloted by very capable hands.

The FFs feel about the same around this track - I get the feeling it is one of the tracks that they use for the BoP calibrations.
 
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Pfffff.
After this whole week, plus 20k, get to A plus, looking for the win but haven’t gotten it, finally pass Brazilian to take lead. Cleanly on the front straight, no touching.
This A plus repeatedly tries to punt me over the course of the next 3 laps, finally by the last turn I’m up .6, he just full throttle sends it putting me sideways down the hill, my rally skills kick in along with tcs I save it without ghosting and salvage fourth...
What a complete and utter LOSER!!!!!
I’m done. Screw it I got my win....
He couldn’t shove me off after all those hits, so he just goes full mental patient the final turn.
You are a pathetic LOSER!!!!!!!!!
 
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One last race at C. Started 20 in the 86. Couple Veyrons went off. Ran in 18th then moved up to 16th while attacking Veyrons ahead.
Was getting a bump draft from a friendly. However, a different Veyron chose to dive up my inside into T1. I have it room, but again, they lack the mid corner speed. I had to activate the brakes a couple times and left the car behind nowhere to go. The friendly spun me off. Good gesture to wait for me, but he should have bolted. I clearly didn't blame him as I was was flashing him to keep going. As we accelerates he was trying to let me go ahead, but I just kept flashing and slowing to let him go.

We were way behind, but with 5 laps to go, we actually caught up to finish less than 1 second behind 17th. Someone quit and in the parabolica, I got up the inside of the friendly, due to tyre wear(he was struggling toward the end, but I didn't push). I posted "Don't sweat it" before he posted an apology. Told him it was the slow Veyron that gave him nowhere to go. No anger from me.

We'll see how DTS goes, with the return of the FFs.
 
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