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- Thread starter LordDrift
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- 3,485
- Canada
Spa hate? Come on fellas, its a glorious race track. Bus stop feels contrived and fake through necessity i guess but the rest is bliss, one corner feeds naturally into the next likenita carved from a canyon.
Groundfish
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- 4,363
- United States
Lol I took 2 2 second penalties in A race from 99 yes revenge whatever. The guy I punted disappeared and I then quit.
From 99 to B sr for me.
These idiots have something they do where they quit/disappear and don’t get sr down.
This games scoring system is broken.
I wish they would just turn it all off and refund everyone’s money.
They are incapable of looking at safety rating over time.
Every change they make is worse than the one before.
It’s awful. Just like Spa. I’m done. I’m not doing this to myself anymore. Others run me off as they wish. No consequence. I run off a guy boom 99 to b sr.
It’s stupid frustrating and I’m not doing it anymore. I can’t take it. Oh wait I didn’t qual on b. Maybe I can do 40 races and improve my sr.
It just shouldn’t be this hard for PD.
They recently made everyone 99. Fantastic.
Now, make a mistake and boom you are from 99 to 60 sr.
Is it really so difficult to build a scoring system?
It’s like they do this on purpose like haha well nerf the Alfa Romeo even though it’s the slowest car in its class!
This makes no sense.
PD is blowing it.
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- 3,485
- Canada
They do find a way to hit you and get away with it, nfi how they do it.
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- 1,786
- Willow Springs
- schlafhund
You say “Now, make a mistake and boom you are from 99 to 60 sr.” but these “mistakes” seem to be your revenge takeouts? Doesn’t quite sound like a mistake to me. Am I misunderstanding?
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- 1,306
- Canada
I already watched it. I made an aggressive move to take 3rd place in the first lap but I suppose it was too aggressive. There was no harm, no foul but the stewards were a little harsh. I saw that we both had a taste of 3rd place at different points of the race and if I didn't have the pressure from 6th behind me, I may have made a challenge for your position at the last corner. Ah well.
Groundfish
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- 4,363
- United States
True I was punted. No penalty. I then kinda ran the guy wide off exiting a turn. 2 seconds. I served he passed. Punted him next turn.
Now that’s garbage play from me but it shouldn’t turn me from the highest safety rank to almost lowest at b sr.
Plus some players have figured a way to avoid the responsibility. They will punt then their car immediately disappears.
Maybe they close the game or pull network cable...
I will say I’m not playing under this sad excuse for rating.
I can have the highest rating there is enter a race and it’s a punting contest.
PD needs to be able to seperate those who
Punt from those who do not, but they can’t.
You can be 99sr and the guy behind you in race is a rammer.
The maddening thing is I’m sure they could fix it if they wished.
They are too cheao to bother.
I for one cannot play like this and I am not going to.
How is it fair I can get smashed off and the guy who did it gets nothing?
It’s not fair, or playable on NA anyways.
You can either be waaaay out front, like top 109 on server q time, or stay in last.
With this pen setup everyone in between is screwed.
I’m sick of it. Like Neville said it takes a hundred races to regain SR, but when you do the players are dirty anyways.
What’s the point?
I might as well just buy Wreckfest because that’s all it is. On NA this system is unworkable.
They need to just give sr down for contact and rate over time. That’s it. That would work
PD is just ruining their chance to dominate by their epic failure to provide fair, rules based racing
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- 1,724
- Australia
Incoming rant...
I cannot bond with Spa. I find that for whatever reason, I can't find a flow on that track. This week with dailies and a Nations Cup there in Group 1 I've taken a deep breath and tried to find a way. I'd say I've gone from humiliated to competent. My qualy time is a 1:57.6xx in the Peugeot. But there are 2 things that have absolutely driven me insane through the week.
1. How does anyone get a hybrid car around that track quickly? I cannot do a sub 2 minute in any of them. I also can't do 4 consecutive laps without binning it. The moment I touch a kerb, BOOM around you go sunshine. It's infuriating when I see other drivers around my level* making them work.
2. Is there any danger that people might stop diving, bumping, sideswiping, blocking and swerving? I'm fighting the track the whole way around and then some moron decides to use me as guide around a turn or brakes late and punts me to the sand or doesn't think that a hybrid should have to change their line if the car in front can't accelerate as quickly as they do and simply ploughs on regardless.
I've lost a great deal of enjoyment in the game over the last few weeks and since the highs of hitting 42k DR a few weeks ago, I am now back to 25k. It's almost exclusively from being driven off the track and trying to recovery from DFL. EVERY. DAMN. RACE. Before PD ditched the penalty system I was consistently in the 32-35k range and I think that's probably where I belong. I am getting very close to simply giving it away as the level of frustration is so high right now. The dumpster fire combos are only making it worse. Fuji Gr 2 next week will be a bloodbath. I can already tell you exactly how and where the dirty drivers will profit.
I know the pens have been tweaked and it may have a positive effect in the long run, but I'm still seeing the same old problems with it. The primary one being that it can't distinguish between cause and effect. But regardless of system, my real problem is with other drivers and their entirely self-centred and self-important attitudes.
Rant over, but frustration not quenched.
I cannot bond with Spa. I find that for whatever reason, I can't find a flow on that track. This week with dailies and a Nations Cup there in Group 1 I've taken a deep breath and tried to find a way. I'd say I've gone from humiliated to competent. My qualy time is a 1:57.6xx in the Peugeot. But there are 2 things that have absolutely driven me insane through the week.
1. How does anyone get a hybrid car around that track quickly? I cannot do a sub 2 minute in any of them. I also can't do 4 consecutive laps without binning it. The moment I touch a kerb, BOOM around you go sunshine. It's infuriating when I see other drivers around my level* making them work.
2. Is there any danger that people might stop diving, bumping, sideswiping, blocking and swerving? I'm fighting the track the whole way around and then some moron decides to use me as guide around a turn or brakes late and punts me to the sand or doesn't think that a hybrid should have to change their line if the car in front can't accelerate as quickly as they do and simply ploughs on regardless.
I've lost a great deal of enjoyment in the game over the last few weeks and since the highs of hitting 42k DR a few weeks ago, I am now back to 25k. It's almost exclusively from being driven off the track and trying to recovery from DFL. EVERY. DAMN. RACE. Before PD ditched the penalty system I was consistently in the 32-35k range and I think that's probably where I belong. I am getting very close to simply giving it away as the level of frustration is so high right now. The dumpster fire combos are only making it worse. Fuji Gr 2 next week will be a bloodbath. I can already tell you exactly how and where the dirty drivers will profit.
I know the pens have been tweaked and it may have a positive effect in the long run, but I'm still seeing the same old problems with it. The primary one being that it can't distinguish between cause and effect. But regardless of system, my real problem is with other drivers and their entirely self-centred and self-important attitudes.
Rant over, but frustration not quenched.
I'd say that if you're going nowhere near track limits on exit you're losing time. I am astonished at how quickly you can take T1 and survive when you get it right. If I try to take it in 2nd I hit the rev limiter. When I nail it I run my right hand wheels along the left hand rumble strip on exit. (sometimes you can get off the rumble strip and avoid a penalty, but it feels very random and I don't make a habit of it).V
Tips worth trying. If you get Turn 1 correct, you'll get the car turned in, right side tires on the yellow curb & nowhere close to the left side track limits. I make the mistake here of getting down to 2nd gear. As for the hairpin, I'm guilty as sin for going all the way down to 1st.
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- 153
- Dublin
- ii_Biggles_ii
I had a lot of problems getting to grips with Spa and I still am not a great fan in Gr.4 or lower but have learned it in Gr. 1-2-3 and love it now.
Setting a qualifying time in the Hybrid is something you learn to work on, my choice is the Toyota as it is easier to recover energy for me and other have mastered the other cars. I have almost matching times in the Audi and Toyota with less the .4sec between them. What you need to do is start your lap with a fully charged battery, unbelievable once learned to do this I was almost a full second faster by the first corner and took over 2 seconds of my lap time. With the Toyota you approach your qualifying lap as a 1 lap flyer and have to forget about the next lap as you need to charge the battery again before your next flying lap, it's kind of fun heading into the Bus Stop with the car in 2nd and foot on the throttle and brake and you don't hit the throttle until you are straight out of the corner. I can't master the Audi's system quite as well and only have the charge at the start of the lap whereas the Toyota I can recover charge at most braking points.
The driving in the faster cars can always be very crazy as others just don't seem to want you to get by under any circumstances and as you said block, swerve, brake test and all but throw the kitchen sink at you. I was not this bad the last time we had this combo and is a direct result of the penalties changing. I did get a few penalties but mostly pushing track limits or missing my marks looking for a faster time or to catch someone up the road. I did get one for forcing a car off the track that was already in the gravel when I got there but it could have been lag as there is definitely an issue with this in the last while.
Agree with next weeks Gr.2 observations and think it will be crazy there and overall the other drivers we are all talking about who are causing problems where not SR-S or anything like it before the penalty system changed so we seldom met them but that doesn't say that they where all low SR players as lots have changed because of the system and now dish it out too.
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- San Jose, CA
- Little_Guppy_72
Hang in there man! Don't get yourself reset.
There is a new pen system so we need to adjust and I am sure you know that. Restraint!
From what I can tell a 1.0s contact pen costs -10 SR.
- 2,043
- Bristol, UK
- OJBrit
Same.Then there's me who almost couldn't stop hotlapping Spa just nowI do think it's a lot better in high downforce cars though, not that it's bad in Gr.3 etc.
It's probably one of those tracks better experienced in real life with all the elevation change
I never thought I'd see someone hate Spa. It's one of the best tracks in the world. Elevation change, great corners, challenging and unsanitised. It's a joy to drive on. (Doesn't mean I'm fast though.) As the Nations is there this week I have not spent time on the daily to make sure it's not boring. It worked as the practice lobby yesterday was a load of fun. Mostly spent time in the practice as we waited on other drivers to arrive. The combination of Gr1 and soft tyres really means you can get a real flow quickly. I decided to test a full battery before the final chicane and instantly popped in my fastest lap with this combo. So much so the Frenchman in the lobby had to go all out to beat it before quitting. In the race I only made one mistake which is unusual. If you can get in the groove it's a glorious racetrack. Imagine how much more of a challenge it will be when the gravel is added back to Eu Rouge.
I've had this for a couple of weeks as well as DR C slowly crept back up on me. Sometimes there are just better combos out there that suits us more than what is on offer right now. I seemed to gain lots from Gr4 and Monza, since then I've not been as quick and lost DR at a continuous slow rate.
Not during an FOM broadcast. Nearest I've seen is when they showed a skateboarder go down it by gravity alone in a build up show. That looked scary still.
- 5,670
- Ulricehamn
I went to NA again this morning to try it out and see if it was that bad.
It wasn't. I got hit by two guys in one race and one in another. No penalties for them and none for me.
But after the races was over they where SR A and I was S, still at 99.
I think a revenge punt might be punished harder than a missed marker punt. It seems like it.
So I suggest you take a day off from the game, go fishing or barbecue with friends.
Then come back and keep your temper in check and don't revenge. It might be tempting but if you don't you might also finish at 99 again.
- 51,519
- Australia
- SpacedustDaddy
Well, penalties have been working in my favor. I started 16/18. Got passed by the two behind me by T1. They both got penalties. ONe got added penalties for just being over aggressive. As one of the perps serves its 2.5 second penalty(another one on Lap 4), I pass it and run to the end of the lap. Up ahead are two cars duelling. I slow a bit early as the perp behind is still a bit behind me. Oh, let's not be cautious with the two ahead. KNucklehead goes up my inside and we both spin in the middle. I get reset before the chicane and decide to make my pitstop.
Of course, the perp quits the race.
This was only my second race C this week. Anyway, I used the TS050 and finished 10th by a splitter's nose, ahead of a Peugeot LMP. Thank you, AWD.
I'm not sure players should be fighting for wins anymore. Especially from 18th place. Forget penalty anguish. I say, concentrate on race craft.
Of course, the perp quits the race.
This was only my second race C this week. Anyway, I used the TS050 and finished 10th by a splitter's nose, ahead of a Peugeot LMP. Thank you, AWD.
I'm not sure players should be fighting for wins anymore. Especially from 18th place. Forget penalty anguish. I say, concentrate on race craft.
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- United States
I finally turned TCS off in race A. That hairpin at T1 is tricky with a DS4 but I got it down with a tap of the cutting brake. Hug the inside of turn 1 while the others are taking the outside and getting pushed off the track by the ones behind them. The Z is no Porsche but it's fun to slide around the track. In other news...
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Barra333
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- London, ON
- barra333
One thing I've found really useful in the cars used for race A in particular is to go down to second to get the car stopped then back up to third as you turn in. Works great on T1 this week and I used it at T1 last week as well.
Edit: that angle of Eau Rouge is the closest I've seen to TV doing it justice. That place is quite a slog to walk up.
Edit: that angle of Eau Rouge is the closest I've seen to TV doing it justice. That place is quite a slog to walk up.
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- New Plymouth
I can add to your rant, but with some comfort. Me and Spa are not friends. More like workmates. Stuff has to get done to make it work and we leave it at that. I cam understand the attraction to the track, but in high downforce cars it is for hotlapping. For me, in that class, the racing flat out sucks. A key thing I found for hybrids is picking a car and knowing it. The TS050 is a hateful understeering pig of a car, but getting to terms with hustling it helps. I find a slightly later turn in/delayed apex lets me carry speed into and more importantly Out of the corners there. My time is sitting at a 56.5, but it is like an unstable truce.
There is speed there for the taking, but it unfortunately takes learning the systems of whatever you are running and how to maximize them. You and I can hate the Nations race together.
I'll still be out there slinging it with my best shot regardless and hoping some of the race C practice this week helps.
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- San Jose, CA
- Little_Guppy_72
Reposting this one as it seems to have gotten lost. I find that sometimes happens when I post two messages not far apart.
Wonderful post... and so much to unpack... I will pick one.
The hybrids are a joy and they are all different. I use the Audi R18 '16. It is stable and I run TCS 0. After some initial butterflies I do not make unforced errors. It is the fastest QT vehicle and the non-hybrid Peugeot 908 is next. I looked up your profile and our K-Score graphs are near twins. My QT is 1:55.7 and a faster time is within your reach.
The Audi R18 is complicated. The battery needs to be fully charged prior to the QT lap to get the max. That's easy ***. Realistically, no conscious battery management is needed during the QT lap. The next lap will be 1.5 seconds slower starting with an minimally charged battery. This is also the case in race trim. You get one good lap and then you suffer slower but still fast laps.
In race trim you need to actively manage the battery and it is fiendishly difficult. Too much to get into. It is difficult because you need to drag the brakes while on throttle but you cannot lose more time than you hope to gain
. Furthermore, it messes with your braking points. I have tried but can only manage it a bit. The other day, I was in a race with a top driver and he actively managed the battery on the replay. Even then, he was successful about 50% of the time and he needed to cope with erratic behavior the comes with using all of the pedals and steering at once.Most drivers (and I) are not actively managing the battery and suffer the 1.5 second degradation on each lap.
Like ABS off - if you do it absolutely perfectly it is better. For the R18 you need to be highly skilled gain more than you lose. It is beyond my ability. With about 50 to 100 hours of practice I think I could master it. That's not happening.
OK the easy bit.
*** Before the lap starts.... back it up 200m... get it in first gear and then use 30% brakes with 100% throttle and watch the battery charge up. Or, do it at the end of your slow recovery lap as advised by @ii_Biggles_ii. Ahem, this is NOT the moral equivalent of Sardegna WallBanging.
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- Canada
- 5,091
- Nor Cal
- sturk0167
-5 SR points for being disconnected. So stupid
Who's to say the connection problem wasn't on their end?
Not sure what it has to do with my sportsmanship. The race hadn't even started, yet.
Update: It gets even dumber. I had 2 clean races before being disconnected in the 3rd one.
My 4th race was again clean, and the game says "Consecutive Clean Race Streak: 3".
So, if the game thinks the 3rd race never happened, give me my points back, you dicks.
Who's to say the connection problem wasn't on their end?
Not sure what it has to do with my sportsmanship. The race hadn't even started, yet.
Update: It gets even dumber. I had 2 clean races before being disconnected in the 3rd one.
My 4th race was again clean, and the game says "Consecutive Clean Race Streak: 3".
So, if the game thinks the 3rd race never happened, give me my points back, you dicks.
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- 498
- Canada
- Mc_Yavel
I had a really good race this morning at Spa. What really make the race was the fact that we had two different cars with their own ability. In my case I was driving the Peugeot and the guy in front of me was in the Toyota TS050.
Of course he put some distance right at the start but down the kemmel straight I'm right up with him. He's pulling out of corner like a madman but he is not running away. At the end of the lap, I tried a move at the bus stop but couldn't quite make it, we exit side by side and he blast off on the start/finish line. Drafting him on kemmel again, not close enough to attempt an overtake now. End of the lap, bus stop, I wait and try to stay close, not worth the risk, as he will gain the position back before T1. So I stay close and target the end of kemmel for my move.
It was that way for the whole race. Neither of us made huge mistake. Kemmel was my best opportunity but he manage to get out of La source and put enough distance that I couldn't make the move at the end of the straight.
I feel like if I manage to get in front, I would have stayed there. With a bit of defensive line in the twisty bit and pulling a gap on the straights.
Even though I finished in the same position I started, the race was heated from the beginning to the end.
Of course he put some distance right at the start but down the kemmel straight I'm right up with him. He's pulling out of corner like a madman but he is not running away. At the end of the lap, I tried a move at the bus stop but couldn't quite make it, we exit side by side and he blast off on the start/finish line. Drafting him on kemmel again, not close enough to attempt an overtake now. End of the lap, bus stop, I wait and try to stay close, not worth the risk, as he will gain the position back before T1. So I stay close and target the end of kemmel for my move.
It was that way for the whole race. Neither of us made huge mistake. Kemmel was my best opportunity but he manage to get out of La source and put enough distance that I couldn't make the move at the end of the straight.
I feel like if I manage to get in front, I would have stayed there. With a bit of defensive line in the twisty bit and pulling a gap on the straights.
Even though I finished in the same position I started, the race was heated from the beginning to the end.
- 1,800
- United Kingdom
- bone_tone
- 153
- Dublin
- ii_Biggles_ii
My love affair with Spa in Gr.1 continues as I jumped in to do my daily mileage and I just can't resist this combo, thankfully it was cleaner than last nights chaos and my faster qualifying time I set just before matching put me in 8th which became 7th when someone left before the start. 7th still puts you right in the middle of the bus stop when the race starts but just far enough ahead to avoid anything going on behind. I made it up to 3rd by middle of 2nd lap and then for some reason my signal dropped to 1 bar red and I expected the worst with a disconnect.
Luckily it improved over the next few laps. the leader had 8 seconds on me when I was 3rd at the end of lap 2 so I just settled in to a rhythm as I knew they where on soft and I was on the mediums and I was catching them slowly and when the leader pitted at the end of lap 4 I just knew it was time to set quick consistent times and was getting purple sectors in 1 & 2 but not 3 so something I need to work on there. I was leading on lap 6 when I stopped and came out just over a second behind 1st and 2 ahead on 3rd, my soft tyres against their mediums was a no contest and the guy leading was gracious 2 laps out not to play silly buggers as he knew I was just too fast so when I got along side him he did fight fair and not run me off the track so there are still good guys out there.
I does restore some faith in the game when you get to race real racers but looking at the result down the field was a very different story with lots of red SR's. I will do the nation's here tomorrow and in practice I have since taken another second of my fastest Gr.1 time at spa. Like I said before I didn't like Spa for a long time but I guess I learned for watching so many good drivers, learned the lines and mainly where I was just pushing too much and losing time and just like the race in Barcelona in the manufactures race I have now grown to like two tracks I hated before.
Luckily it improved over the next few laps. the leader had 8 seconds on me when I was 3rd at the end of lap 2 so I just settled in to a rhythm as I knew they where on soft and I was on the mediums and I was catching them slowly and when the leader pitted at the end of lap 4 I just knew it was time to set quick consistent times and was getting purple sectors in 1 & 2 but not 3 so something I need to work on there. I was leading on lap 6 when I stopped and came out just over a second behind 1st and 2 ahead on 3rd, my soft tyres against their mediums was a no contest and the guy leading was gracious 2 laps out not to play silly buggers as he knew I was just too fast so when I got along side him he did fight fair and not run me off the track so there are still good guys out there.
I does restore some faith in the game when you get to race real racers but looking at the result down the field was a very different story with lots of red SR's. I will do the nation's here tomorrow and in practice I have since taken another second of my fastest Gr.1 time at spa. Like I said before I didn't like Spa for a long time but I guess I learned for watching so many good drivers, learned the lines and mainly where I was just pushing too much and losing time and just like the race in Barcelona in the manufactures race I have now grown to like two tracks I hated before.
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- Austria
Far too many idiots in Race B, full of **** and they mostly get away without a penalty for punting me out. I quit playing for a while, PD sucks, sorry.
Groundfish
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- 4,363
- United States
This explains my feelings about PD failing to establish a better system...
https://www.captiongenerator.com/2218071/Hitler-loses-sr
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just had a couple of great b races with big daddy cool if he happens to read this. thanks. much fun. my confidence and racecraft is definetely getting better. think i'm only going to be able to be so fast, but i'm ok with that. upper d mostly and having fun.
Now that's funny. And my wife thinks I get tense
Now that's funny. And my wife thinks I get tense
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- Oxfordshire, England.
I had a "good" one this evening!
In Race 1 I got shuffled down the order by a group of door bashers. It put me in P12 and all 5 drivers in the gaggle ahead got penalties! They all had to slow in the same zone and I was about to pass them all, when one of them moves at the last second and tries to barge me off the track - in desperation I guess. Of course I get the penalty and at the end of the race I lose 14 SR!
Down to 85 SR and down about 1000 DR, I join the next lobby. It's mixed abilities - so I don't expect much. But what I didn't expect was for there to only end up being two of us left in the lobby! 1v1 shootouts sound fun, but there was a skill gap here. Fair play to the guy for sticking it out! At the end of the race I gained just 7 DR! All time record low haul! I did get enough SR to get back to 95 and into a decent lobby. A win there put my stats back up again to where they were at the start of the eve!
In Race 1 I got shuffled down the order by a group of door bashers. It put me in P12 and all 5 drivers in the gaggle ahead got penalties! They all had to slow in the same zone and I was about to pass them all, when one of them moves at the last second and tries to barge me off the track - in desperation I guess. Of course I get the penalty and at the end of the race I lose 14 SR!
Down to 85 SR and down about 1000 DR, I join the next lobby. It's mixed abilities - so I don't expect much. But what I didn't expect was for there to only end up being two of us left in the lobby! 1v1 shootouts sound fun, but there was a skill gap here. Fair play to the guy for sticking it out! At the end of the race I gained just 7 DR! All time record low haul! I did get enough SR to get back to 95 and into a decent lobby. A win there put my stats back up again to where they were at the start of the eve!
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