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- Bristol, UK
- OJBrit
"Daily" Race Discussion
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- San Jose, CA
- Little_Guppy_72
What is the strategy like for Race C?
One stop or save tires and go for no stop?
In practice the Audi R18 is quick but it bottoms out on first chicane and can spin.
The second chicane more manageable but need to apply a modest amount of throttle to get past.
One stop or save tires and go for no stop?
In practice the Audi R18 is quick but it bottoms out on first chicane and can spin.
The second chicane more manageable but need to apply a modest amount of throttle to get past.
- 1,591
- United Kingdom
- VulcanSpirit
No stop and tyre saving is the meta. Tried a couple of Daily C EMEA slots this afternoon; while the 2016 R18 is the fastest car in qualifying, it is still possible to get a good race finish in the TS050 if you avoid incidents and are careful enough on the throttle exiting the chicanes.
More on that later.
- 1,217
- ontario, canada
- Slatanic1
here are the two best races I had Saturday morning. great clean races with hard competition. underneath are the photo finish results, just don't look, if you want to be surprised.... lol
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- 3,837
- Canada
- TPCDangerSashimi
Awesome driving. 👍
Great 1v1 battle. DT (Gardens and Seaside) are great for 1v1 races. Shame it's not a option.
- 3,276
- Canada
Looking forward to tonight never played this game in the rain at all, no idea what to expect grip wise.
- 2,777
- New Plymouth
Roughly none. And curbs have less than that
Went out for a few runs in race A in the Americas last night. It was hilarious. I decided to try and go from the back taking it slow. Moat races I passed half the field turn 1 as they all drive straight off. It's like people are lapping for qualifying then forget this car has no brakes once the race starts. Best round was when everyone except the 2 cars behind me crashed themselves out in turn 1. By the time I got to the 90 degree left I had close to a 3 second lead because of the carnage.
And while the races are crazy, I am still finding it fun to hot lap this car on this track as well. Real balancing on a knife edge at times.
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- Canada
Most of you shouldn't need me to tell you this, but do not under any circumstances use the Nissan GT-R LM NISMO in Race C. Completely unusable through slow corners - you know what Monza has a lot of?
A lot of the Gr.1 cars get really, really out of sorts if they jump the kerbs. The R18 in particular just completely loses it if you're not careful around the sausages.
A lot of the Gr.1 cars get really, really out of sorts if they jump the kerbs. The R18 in particular just completely loses it if you're not careful around the sausages.
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- 1,072
- Behind you
Well tried, race A and gave up without entering. I like cars with brakes.
Loving B and still no brakes, generally clean and fun.
Race C is hard, can't get the hang of the TS050 or the 919, never do well in the Audi. Going to try the trusty 787 but not hopeful here. Any suggestions on a fairly easy car to drive here? Don't need to go fast, if I can get the consistency I can move to a better car.
Loving B and still no brakes, generally clean and fun.
Race C is hard, can't get the hang of the TS050 or the 919, never do well in the Audi. Going to try the trusty 787 but not hopeful here. Any suggestions on a fairly easy car to drive here? Don't need to go fast, if I can get the consistency I can move to a better car.
- 1,591
- United Kingdom
- VulcanSpirit
Saw that there were Gr.1 Daily Cs, jumped straight in knowing that the category doesn't have a presence in Nations Cup Season 2. Went with the trusted TS050 on all three attempts though I am fully aware that it is not the most powerful of the LMP1s available.
15:30 EMEA
Jumped right into the 15:30 and set a 1:32.619 to start 16th out of 20 cars. Shared space with three other Toyotas so was in good company among the swarm of R18s and a solitary Peugeot.
Had to put up with separate passes from an R18 and a Spanish TS050 at the start, but gained four places in the first three laps through a mix of incidents and penalties. Survived contact at Rettifilo from the Turkish Toyota who fell back from 4th and picked up said penalty. Rest of the race was spent having decent battles with the #7, #10 and #11 R18s as well as the Peugeot who was recovering from an early punt. Only major issue was a moment on Lap 8 where I went a little too wide out of Roggia and skimmed the gravel. Inherited 11th from the #10 Audi (in yellow) when he picked up a penalty through Ascari on the second-to-last lap.
A solid start, but I have the feeling I can do better...
16:30 EMEA
Used the R18 to improve my qualifying time to a 1:31.835, discovering that it felt lighter and more confident taking a tight line through Roggia. Adjusting brake balance on the TS050 brought about similar results; a 1:31.972 set a few minutes before matchmaking for the 16:30 began.
Qualified 12th in an 18-car lobby with a similar vehicle line-up; the only difference being that the Toyota campaign had been halved and two Porsche 919s took to the stage. First few laps were hectic. Hadn't expected the #16 Porsche to cut me off my side as we negotiated through Rettifilo for the first time, but this didn't matter too much as we both gained a place from the #6 Audi getting punted into the gravel. Dodged a divebomb from the #18 Audi under braking for Roggia, just as my South African teammate (car #15) loses it and retires. #16 Porsche drops down the order via a track limits penalty, but another divebomb going into Ascari puts the #14 Audi ahead. Next thing I know I'm back down to 12th... 13th... 14th, maybe 15th?! And here's why:
Entering Lap 2, the Peugeot goes completely over the white line on my right to make it three-wide past the timing line. Had the draft over the Porsche so remained in 14th, and regained one place when the #18 spun off trying to dive past another Audi at Rettifilo. Followed the Peugeot for a while before he proceeded to pounce on the #2 and #17 Audis, then lost a place to the #6. The #7 Audi retires from 7th as a result of a spin, and we regain 12th once the #17 picks up a penalty. The ByKolles-liveried #13 car gets the slipstream into Rettifilo, only to chuck it all away by spinning off in the same fashion. Up ahead, the #6 and #14 are fighting for what becomes 9th (courtesy of the #5 car being punted at Ascari), but the #6 looks ragged and picks up a whopping 1.5 second penalty. Savage...
Over half-way through now, and the #11 "Ally Cadillac" Porsche is falling back after a strong start from 7th. Stuck to his tail like superglue and got the tow down the straight on Lap 8, but had to back out of a pass as he veered into the centre of the track. From further back, the #6 makes a banzai move straight into the side of the #11, and at Roggia the pair make more contact as the #11 is forced wide and spears the #6 off into the gravel. Got both places at once as the #11 backed out, possibly as an apology for the earlier defence or in an attempt to catch my slipstream.
Next up the road was the #14, which despite having healthier tyres was starting to struggle after going wide in a few places. Followed him until he missed the apex through Parabolica, taking 8th place and keeping it despite a few scrappy moments of my own.
Rounded off the evening by setting new personal fastest times for the TS050 (1:31.870) and the R18 (1:31.246); encouraged by this, one last run in the Toyota was in order...
20:30 EMEA
The 20:30 turned out to be a special one for me, as I happened to qualify 7th in a full grid featuring several top-tier players (including Fire and Antomix) and a couple of well-known YouTube personalities in the #4 and #7 Audis. Maintained position at the start despite being biffed through Rettifilo by the Turkish #16 Audi; though I lost the place, the sister #6 car was pitched into a spin on exit. Pressured the #16 for a bit while sensing pressure myself from the Russian #18 and British #7 R18s, until he himself touched the gravel coming out of Roggio and spun onto the infield. Enjoyed a solid and quiet run in the high-1:33s as the #4 and #18 Audis began eating into the gap for 6th.
The Toyota's strong traction and more reliable energy recovery gave me enough of a buffer to keep in front until Laps 9 and 10, when I got a little scrappy trying to defend from the #4. The #4 got the tow into Rettifilo, but had an awkward moment where he outbraked himself after making the pass. Took an outside line in avoidance, but made contact as the Audi unghosted as his right-rear wheel lined up alongside my left-front. Got bogged down in first gear as a result which, along with a less-than-stellar run through Roggia allowed the #18 and #6 cars to close the gap behind. The #18 took 7th via slipstream, but I held off the #6 knowing that he had a track limits penalty to serve.
At the start of the final lap, the #2 Porsche (another one of the all-stars) understeers into oblivion on the way out of Rettifilo and retires. Regained 7th as a result and crossed the line just over 12 seconds behind Fire.
Out of all the Daily Races I've ever done, the 20:30 has to be the among the best. The R18 remains the car to go to for qualifying and overall pace, but I honestly feel like I've proved myself capable of mixing in with some of the top players and showing that the TS050 can still a viable choice for racing at higher levels. Surprises me to know that I will be going into my next Sport Mode race with an extra 314 DR points off the back of the 16:30 and 20:30 runs. Pretty good considering how dirty and chaotic racing at Monza can get...
15:30 EMEA
Jumped right into the 15:30 and set a 1:32.619 to start 16th out of 20 cars. Shared space with three other Toyotas so was in good company among the swarm of R18s and a solitary Peugeot.
Had to put up with separate passes from an R18 and a Spanish TS050 at the start, but gained four places in the first three laps through a mix of incidents and penalties. Survived contact at Rettifilo from the Turkish Toyota who fell back from 4th and picked up said penalty. Rest of the race was spent having decent battles with the #7, #10 and #11 R18s as well as the Peugeot who was recovering from an early punt. Only major issue was a moment on Lap 8 where I went a little too wide out of Roggia and skimmed the gravel. Inherited 11th from the #10 Audi (in yellow) when he picked up a penalty through Ascari on the second-to-last lap.
A solid start, but I have the feeling I can do better...
16:30 EMEA
Used the R18 to improve my qualifying time to a 1:31.835, discovering that it felt lighter and more confident taking a tight line through Roggia. Adjusting brake balance on the TS050 brought about similar results; a 1:31.972 set a few minutes before matchmaking for the 16:30 began.
Qualified 12th in an 18-car lobby with a similar vehicle line-up; the only difference being that the Toyota campaign had been halved and two Porsche 919s took to the stage. First few laps were hectic. Hadn't expected the #16 Porsche to cut me off my side as we negotiated through Rettifilo for the first time, but this didn't matter too much as we both gained a place from the #6 Audi getting punted into the gravel. Dodged a divebomb from the #18 Audi under braking for Roggia, just as my South African teammate (car #15) loses it and retires. #16 Porsche drops down the order via a track limits penalty, but another divebomb going into Ascari puts the #14 Audi ahead. Next thing I know I'm back down to 12th... 13th... 14th, maybe 15th?! And here's why:
Entering Lap 2, the Peugeot goes completely over the white line on my right to make it three-wide past the timing line. Had the draft over the Porsche so remained in 14th, and regained one place when the #18 spun off trying to dive past another Audi at Rettifilo. Followed the Peugeot for a while before he proceeded to pounce on the #2 and #17 Audis, then lost a place to the #6. The #7 Audi retires from 7th as a result of a spin, and we regain 12th once the #17 picks up a penalty. The ByKolles-liveried #13 car gets the slipstream into Rettifilo, only to chuck it all away by spinning off in the same fashion. Up ahead, the #6 and #14 are fighting for what becomes 9th (courtesy of the #5 car being punted at Ascari), but the #6 looks ragged and picks up a whopping 1.5 second penalty. Savage...
Over half-way through now, and the #11 "Ally Cadillac" Porsche is falling back after a strong start from 7th. Stuck to his tail like superglue and got the tow down the straight on Lap 8, but had to back out of a pass as he veered into the centre of the track. From further back, the #6 makes a banzai move straight into the side of the #11, and at Roggia the pair make more contact as the #11 is forced wide and spears the #6 off into the gravel. Got both places at once as the #11 backed out, possibly as an apology for the earlier defence or in an attempt to catch my slipstream.
Next up the road was the #14, which despite having healthier tyres was starting to struggle after going wide in a few places. Followed him until he missed the apex through Parabolica, taking 8th place and keeping it despite a few scrappy moments of my own.
Rounded off the evening by setting new personal fastest times for the TS050 (1:31.870) and the R18 (1:31.246); encouraged by this, one last run in the Toyota was in order...
20:30 EMEA
The 20:30 turned out to be a special one for me, as I happened to qualify 7th in a full grid featuring several top-tier players (including Fire and Antomix) and a couple of well-known YouTube personalities in the #4 and #7 Audis. Maintained position at the start despite being biffed through Rettifilo by the Turkish #16 Audi; though I lost the place, the sister #6 car was pitched into a spin on exit. Pressured the #16 for a bit while sensing pressure myself from the Russian #18 and British #7 R18s, until he himself touched the gravel coming out of Roggio and spun onto the infield. Enjoyed a solid and quiet run in the high-1:33s as the #4 and #18 Audis began eating into the gap for 6th.
The Toyota's strong traction and more reliable energy recovery gave me enough of a buffer to keep in front until Laps 9 and 10, when I got a little scrappy trying to defend from the #4. The #4 got the tow into Rettifilo, but had an awkward moment where he outbraked himself after making the pass. Took an outside line in avoidance, but made contact as the Audi unghosted as his right-rear wheel lined up alongside my left-front. Got bogged down in first gear as a result which, along with a less-than-stellar run through Roggia allowed the #18 and #6 cars to close the gap behind. The #18 took 7th via slipstream, but I held off the #6 knowing that he had a track limits penalty to serve.
At the start of the final lap, the #2 Porsche (another one of the all-stars) understeers into oblivion on the way out of Rettifilo and retires. Regained 7th as a result and crossed the line just over 12 seconds behind Fire.
Out of all the Daily Races I've ever done, the 20:30 has to be the among the best. The R18 remains the car to go to for qualifying and overall pace, but I honestly feel like I've proved myself capable of mixing in with some of the top players and showing that the TS050 can still a viable choice for racing at higher levels. Surprises me to know that I will be going into my next Sport Mode race with an extra 314 DR points off the back of the 16:30 and 20:30 runs. Pretty good considering how dirty and chaotic racing at Monza can get...
- 2,034
- Bristol, UK
- OJBrit
Race A
9th to 8th. Would have been 5th or 4th if I wasn't tapped into turn 1. I'd feel more comfortable turning the Ever Given
around compared to the Lambo. Still seemed to be mostly clean and fun in the lobby I ran. The tap was most likely accidental but still a lack of a sorry and decency.
Race C
3rd to 3rd.
Pretty uneventful, which was good. I bump drafted the German ahead until he got out of slip as I ran wide out of Della Roggia. Gapped the fight behind. Started catching 2nd again in the final laps but they were too far ahead. A couple of people surprisingly pit.
Race B
Tried a car and it was too much of a boat. So went with the WRX. Lighter so it turns but still understeer central. Any tips?
6th to 11th. Was in a good position and in touch with those ahead as they fought. Then this happens.
No doubt they purposely pitted me. But why. Yes I tapped them slightly, but that was caused by the conditions and their re-entry to the track. They were still ahead and I lost momentum. Just an idiot. Was put back down to 11th where I stayed.
They left the lobby quickly as they know what they did. Coward.
9th to 8th. Would have been 5th or 4th if I wasn't tapped into turn 1. I'd feel more comfortable turning the Ever Given
around compared to the Lambo. Still seemed to be mostly clean and fun in the lobby I ran. The tap was most likely accidental but still a lack of a sorry and decency.
Race C
3rd to 3rd.
Pretty uneventful, which was good. I bump drafted the German ahead until he got out of slip as I ran wide out of Della Roggia. Gapped the fight behind. Started catching 2nd again in the final laps but they were too far ahead. A couple of people surprisingly pit.
Race B
Tried a car and it was too much of a boat. So went with the WRX. Lighter so it turns but still understeer central. Any tips?
6th to 11th. Was in a good position and in touch with those ahead as they fought. Then this happens.
No doubt they purposely pitted me. But why. Yes I tapped them slightly, but that was caused by the conditions and their re-entry to the track. They were still ahead and I lost momentum. Just an idiot. Was put back down to 11th where I stayed.
They left the lobby quickly as they know what they did. Coward.
- 51,150
- Australia
- SpacedustDaddy
Recently drove all the GR 1 cars. For ease of use, the Bugatti. Yes, it's slow, but controllable.
Tomahawk is fast, but still controllable.
Peugeot VGT has short gearing and long legs. Nice alternative.
The 908 is fine.
Alpine VGT, LM55 and Hyundai are nice.
The McLaren can be driven fine in cockpit view. The hybrid should be disabled-nearly useless.
Audi VGT is fine.
The 2011 Audi LMP is really cool. Sounds good and easy to drive.
Group C cars are the Group C cars. Best experience from cockpit view.
Skip the GT-R LMP.
2016 LMPs allow you to be competitive. Make sure the car is straight before mailing the throttle.
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- San Jose, CA
- Little_Guppy_72
In a wet Formula 1 race the drivers seek the dirty part of the track where the tire marbles build up as it adds grip compared to a wet slick surface.
In my practice I tried to spend more time on the rippled curbs for both braking and acceleration. I have not been able to do a true side-by-side comparison but it feels faster.
Anyone try this? Thoughts?
- 1,174
- Phoenix, AZ
- MonyB
All I can say is what's worked for me - which is very different from what both Mistah_MCA and Tigney recommend.
I spent a fair amount of time practicing on my own before I looked at any lap guides. I found that +3BB and TCS 2 worked best for me in the WRX. I trailbrake the best I can into T2 and get on the throttle early in the esses - this is where the TCS is most helpful by helping with the oversteer. That's probably found me the most time, so far. But generally speaking, brake ~50m earlier than you would on slicks and turn in earlier than you think. Also, make sure you have wets on, not the intermediates!
But my first race today, I was on pole and finished P1. Very unexpected but I'm going to say that the practice and finding the right setup for me paid off.
edit: My qualy time right now is 1:02.181, if that means anything.
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- Brazil
Did one race B, thinking the worst for my DR. But I started 4th, finished 3rd, with a clean pass after a side by side battle into turn 1, completely clean.
Dont use the Veryon, despite being a 4x4. Unless you dare...
Dont use the Veryon, despite being a 4x4. Unless you dare...
- 583
- Buffalo, NY
- Stilva
Since I had a bunch of fun the last time Gr.1 cars were in a combo, it's Race C for me this week. I jumped in the Audi R18 2016 (everyone else seems to be doing so), and boy is that a handful when first leaning it. I was going all over the place during acceleration after a turn when I didn't have the wheels straight. I got that sorted out real fast. I currently have a 1:34.3XX qualifying time. I have an optimal of 1:33.6XX and I think I can come close to that with more time making laps. Just need to nail the entries into the first 2 chicanes and I will be good to go. I'm at BB +2 for now. What should it be or am I good where it is?
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- California, USA
- Mistah_MCA
- 3,276
- Canada
So my first wet race. Qualy a bit slow at 1.01.5, I really need to find the best part of half a second to be competitive with A drivers. Lost 500 DR for the night so not a disaster but fundamental pace not there.
Wet driving doesn't suit my "brake late, wiggle the rear, lift oversteer, point the car and apply 100pc throttle" style. You really need a lot of partial throttle (i am using X button) so its tricky.
In saying that, the grip model is weird. I find there is a LOT of understeer, I need to move BB from almost all the way to the rear to get the cars to rotate.
Its an interesting change up anyways, let's see what tomorrow brings.
Wet driving doesn't suit my "brake late, wiggle the rear, lift oversteer, point the car and apply 100pc throttle" style. You really need a lot of partial throttle (i am using X button) so its tricky.
In saying that, the grip model is weird. I find there is a LOT of understeer, I need to move BB from almost all the way to the rear to get the cars to rotate.
Its an interesting change up anyways, let's see what tomorrow brings.
If you're having understeer problems try a Cayman or Mustang
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- Due West of Europe
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- Philippines
- Enosh1ma_Jor02
Stayed up late last night doing the Gr.1 Monza races with the 908 Fap. The first few laps (~ lap 5) were great, able to do some qualifying times during the race. But boy during the final stages (~ lap 8 onwards), it's as if the car was trying to ruin the race for itself. The excessive tyre wear near the end makes it prone to spinning out in any corner, even Parabolica!
I had to adjust my driving style not just braking earlier but approaching corners differently as well. Entering Ascari is often the challenging one. Best finish for the night was 4th behind 2 R18s and a TS050.
Looking forward to Race B, wonder if the gifted car Atenza would work well.
I had to adjust my driving style not just braking earlier but approaching corners differently as well. Entering Ascari is often the challenging one. Best finish for the night was 4th behind 2 R18s and a TS050.
Looking forward to Race B, wonder if the gifted car Atenza would work well.
- 2,034
- Bristol, UK
- OJBrit
I have a 1:01.885 currently. I can probably find loads of time in the middle part and Rindt. So I'll try the BB. Thanks.All I can say is what's worked for me - which is very different from what both Mistah_MCA and Tigney recommend.
I spent a fair amount of time practicing on my own before I looked at any lap guides. I found that +3BB and TCS 2 worked best for me in the WRX. I trailbrake the best I can into T2 and get on the throttle early in the esses - this is where the TCS is most helpful by helping with the oversteer. That's probably found me the most time, so far. But generally speaking, brake ~50m earlier than you would on slicks and turn in earlier than you think. Also, make sure you have wets on, not the intermediates!
But my first race today, I was on pole and finished P1. Very unexpected but I'm going to say that the practice and finding the right setup for me paid off.
edit: My qualy time right now is 1:02.181, if that means anything.
If you're not doing it already hold the brake down on your run towards Parabolica before your first lap in qualy. Give yourself as much charge as possible.
- 1,720
- Australia
I am having a strange problem at Monza. I’m driving the TS050 and the R18 and about once per race they turn around on me at the first chicane. I cannot identify what I’m doing to cause it. It’s not throttle related, because it happens at the initial right hander where I’m coasting. It’s like they simply decide that turning left is no longer possible.
If I can get that sorted I should be able to post some really good results as the rest of my pace is good in both cars.
If I can get that sorted I should be able to post some really good results as the rest of my pace is good in both cars.
- 2,034
- Bristol, UK
- OJBrit
I had that too around lap 8. The car just started to rotate through the first part of the chicane. I stopped it going around and was able to take a very wide line through the corner without grassing it. Didn't do it again or before that lap though I was more cautious through there afterwards.
- 5,183
- Manila
- Filracer
Did like 5 sessions of Daily Race b and not gonna lie, this really tested my mental fortitude as the pressure of keeping my car on the track and at the same time having to deal other players on the back really tested how much can I deal with pressure on a wet race. It also gave my fingers some good exercise at the race required gentle inputs all the way.
Was able to get top 5 finishes on all five sessions including 3 podiums but I'm not giving up yet on using the GT-R in trying to get a single win as I really feel like it has a good chance of winning despite having to deal with Evos and WRXs. Also in one of the sessions I'm in, @Barra333 was in there.
I do got to say the replay scenes plus the weather makes the replay look so good.
Was able to get top 5 finishes on all five sessions including 3 podiums but I'm not giving up yet on using the GT-R in trying to get a single win as I really feel like it has a good chance of winning despite having to deal with Evos and WRXs. Also in one of the sessions I'm in, @Barra333 was in there.
I do got to say the replay scenes plus the weather makes the replay look so good.
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- Val d'Orcia,Tuscany
- hardvibes
- ACR HardVibes
Barra333
Premium
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- London, ON
- barra333
Good to see you again. Not sure how many more of those I will do this week - it is quite an effort to run a decent lap with trail braking worth so much time here. I can do it on the pad with the triggers, but it takes so much concentration having to do it 4 or 5 times in each lap. I did get a 1.01.5 but I'm not particularly consistent there. My race pace is about a second slower than that, which is not competitive especially given how much time is lost when being nudged wide on overtakes.
Yeah, that is going to be a tough one this week. For the sake of your sanity, race A or C might be your best bet. Driving the WRX like it is the GrB rather than the Gr4 doesn't seem to be the fastest way around this week.
He is on a wheel - check out some of his past streams - has a camera on so you can see the inputs too.
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