Daily roulette is rigged.

[CBH]

Point is daily roulette tends to give cars you already have.

So what if you get cars that you already have from the roulette wheel, what is the big deal in that. You received a car as a gift after a certain distance, again so what if it is a duplicate car you get. Remember you can Delete that car or keep the car, and it is up to you on what to do with that car.

So coming on here and saying that the roulette is rigged, and supplying us with no proof what so ever, on why you think this it is rigged, means that you don't know much.
I don't really care if I get duplicate cars from the roulette wheel, remember it is a glft on what you get.

 

[Thorin Cain]

You are saying im wrong which is a claim. That means you claim the opposite things i said so here we go. You are making claims and you are not proving any of them.

No again. I said your claims are false (Because my experiences and those of others prove your "no duplicates" theory to be so.) and unsubstantiated (Because you provide no evidence of the rigged system you claim exists), there is a difference. At no point did I use the word wrong, again, because I don't know. It may well be rigged but I have no reason to think so and your childish arguments haven't convinced me.

So again I say, if you want to be taken seriously provide the proof of your claim. The other option is go back under the bridge you crawled out from, take stock of your life and come back when you are capable of a civil discussion.

 

[PSN:And-War]

PD should do something so you have a better chance of getting exotics I hav been really lucky thou I got the 330 and xj13 a week after they were released but alot of ppl don't have any of the three n I grinded for the Ford Mk4, coinaedence who knows but we need the daily log in bonus or races that give you 1Million or more. More driving missions the ones from gt4 were good

 

[hicker]

No again. I said your claims are false (Because my experiences and those of others prove your "no duplicates" theory to be so.) and unsubstantiated (Because you provide no evidence of the rigged system you claim exists), there is a difference. At no point did I use the word wrong, again, because I don't know. It may well be rigged but I have no reason to think so and your childish arguments haven't convinced me.

So again I say, if you want to be taken seriously provide the proof of your claim. The other option is go back under the bridge you crawled out from, take stock of your life and come back when you are capable of a civil discussion.

Saying my claims are false is a claim too.

So what if you get cars that you already have from the roulette wheel, what is the big deal in that. You received a car as a gift after a certain distance, again so what if it is a duplicate car you get. Remember you can Delete that car or keep the car, and it is up to you on what to do with that car.

So coming on here and saying that the roulette is rigged, and supplying us with no proof what so ever, on why you think this it is rigged, means that you don't know much.
I don't really care if I get duplicate cars from the roulette wheel, remember it is a glft on what you get.

Whats big deal? Deal is the rigged roulette doesnt give you anything usefull so you gotta grind them all.

 

[FoRiZon]

Let's make a quick resolution here.

We must be able to sell gift cars for credits.

Done. Anymore speculations will thrown out to the window.

FYI: The game saves right before the roulette starts.

 

[CBH]

Whats big deal? Deal is the rigged roulette doesnt give you anything usefull so you gotta grind them all.

So what grind for them, and that what I did to get the expensive cars. The roulette wheel is not rigged and you have no bloody proof that it is, so please climb back under your Rock and stay there until you provide us with the evidence.

 

[jagenigma]

<slaps roof> This thread can fit so many rigs inside it....

Dude you won the thread!

Can this thread die though? Check op's account. Hes been a member since Saturday. While this doesnt invalidate his opinion, clearly he has not researched other threads that have been made about or have references the daily roulette.

 

[Tired Tyres]

So what grind for them, and that what I did to get the expensive cars. The roulette wheel is not rigged and you have no bloody proof that it is, so please climb back under your Rock and stay there until you provide us with the evidence.

So if I see a 20 million car FIVE days in a row and get the car after the 20 million car EVERY time, you saying its NOT rigged is just like you saying the economy isn't broken. Do you have shares in PD by any chance?

 

[hicker]

So what grind for them, and that what I did to get the expensive cars. The roulette wheel is not rigged and you have no bloody proof that it is, so please climb back under your Rock and stay there until you provide us with the evidence.

I cant see any proof from you that roulette is fair. Theory is true if you cant prove its wrong.

 

[David Bailey]

It changed a few updates ago, up till then Id got 3, 20mill cars... so I'm not complaining. Early on I jagged heaps of cars doing the L1/R1 X cheat. But in short its defiantly rigged towards you getting the cheaper cars that's undeniable. Who cares anyway, as mentioned just grind and the car of your dreams will be in the garage in 2 weeks. All good.

 

[MatskiMonk]

So if I see a 20 million car FIVE days in a row and get the car after the 20 million car EVERY time, you saying its NOT rigged is just like you saying the economy isn't broken. Do you have shares in PD by any chance?

Gamblers fallacy. This strikes a chord specifically with me and roulette... there's a 'system' for (supposedly) winning at Roulette, that says if you make a bet that has a 50/50 outcome and lose, double up on it, and make it again, because the probability of getting the incorrect result twice in a row... (three times, four, five, so on...) drops off significantly... after a few spins you are statistically guaranteed for you bet to come off (which you need because your £10 stake is now £320 just to break even)... except it doesn't work like that, because there is not an actual connection between the spins other than in the gamblers head. The chance of a given result is the same each spin, it doesn't change because you feel you are due a win.

To apply that to your scenario, the chance of winning the 20 mill car is the same each day, the chance doesn't go up because you didn't win it the day before.

Again, I'm not saying it is or isn't random, but such scenarios are not proof one way or the other.

On the flipside, if that's something that has happened to you, it might be worth noting what all the variables in your gameplay were at that stage because if it is seeded by players actions, you've clearly got a combination for at least getting the cars on the wheel. They've only appeared for me a max of three times - maybe only twice - since I got the game.

Theory is true if you cant prove its wrong.

You should really go and an check out the "Do you believe in God?" thread with that attitude.... God exists! Prove me wrong!

 

[Tired Tyres]

Gamblers fallacy. This strikes a chord specifically with me and roulette... there's a 'system' for (supposedly) winning at Roulette, that says if you make a bet that has a 50/50 outcome and lose, double up on it, and make it again, because the probability of getting the incorrect result twice in a row... (three times, four, five, so on...) drops off significantly... after a few spins you are statistically guaranteed for you bet to come off (which you need because your £10 stake is now £320 just to break even)... except it doesn't work like that, because there is not an actual connection between the spins other than in the gamblers head. The chance of a given result is the same each spin, it doesn't change because you feel you are due a win.

To apply that to your scenario, the chance of winning the 20 mill car is the same each day, the chance doesn't go up because you didn't win it the day before.

Again, I'm not saying it is or isn't random, but such scenarios are not proof one way or the other.

On the flipside, if that's something that has happened to you, it might be worth noting what all the variables in your gameplay were at that stage because if it is seeded by players actions, you've clearly got a combination for at least getting the cars on the wheel. They've only appeared for me a max of three times - maybe only twice - since I got the game.



You should really go and an check out the "Do you believe in God?" thread with that attitude.... God exists! Prove me wrong!

I am perfectly aware of gamblers fallacy. Now toss a coin and get it to come up heads five times in a row. It still has a 50/50 chance each time. Ever managed to do it though? Explain how the same EXACT outcome out of a choice of four gives you the same EXACT result. Five days in a row. That isn't gamblers fallacy mate. That's rigging the result.

The SAME car. The one AFTER the 20 million. EVERY TIME. If it landed on different slots most of the time I wouldn't even consider it.

 

[Famine]

Early on I jagged heaps of cars doing the L1/R1 X cheat.

This doesn't exist.

Let the carousel spin, then quit the game as it reveals the car - before it saves. Reboot and the game will instantly go back to the carousel, and it will have the exact same four cars (usually in a different order) and will select the same car.

There is no combination of user inputs that will generate a different outcome, and it has always been this way.

On the flipside, if that's something that has happened to you, it might be worth noting what all the variables in your gameplay were at that stage because if it is seeded by players actions, you've clearly got a combination for at least getting the cars on the wheel.

It does not appear to be the case. Some users (presumably like me, with high-functioning Gran Turismo autism) have noted receiving exactly the same cars again after restarting from a corrupted game save. I've never tested it out myself though, as I don't really want to force a save corruption on my console... although I do have another console to muck around with, so it may be something I do over Christmas.

As far as I can tell, the only variable is either the number of game days logged in or number of marathons completed - like GT5's UCD, it seems to start from an initial fixed seed that's dependent on the user account ID and console ID (as I've also heard reports of different prize cars on different consoles with the same account, just like GT5's UCD).

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Man is thread not dead yet. To be honest 20 Mil cars are only digital paperweights that are only useful in at least one set of races, which gain you nothing for except credits.

 

[Cerebral303]

Theory is true if you cant prove its wrong.

We did this last night. DeJa vu. You go round in circles repeating things that are not true and contradict yourself.

At this point I have only one response.

 

[05XR8]

A few days ago, started my game over for the 5th time. Now, the car I had for my Daily before I restarted, was a Gr.4 RCZ. The pic below, shows when I acquired cars in my NEW GAME.

That RCZ I got, is when I did my first Circuit Experience, at Red Bull Ring. Next, I did la Sarthe and got the R33. Got the RC F from Fuji, F-Type at Monza and THEN, I got my Daily Workout gift of the Huracan. GT-R at Tsukuba, 458 at Bathurst and just now, for completing Brands Hatch

I've since deleted all cars but Hondas. Then, just won this in today's Daily. First time ever.

So, seeing as this car came out end of February and I bought the game in March, took me nearly 270 days to be gifted this car. Now, that's provided each time I restarted the game, no new algorithm or updates in between March-November updates, reset the roulette( I have no idea how PD programmed it).

Anyway, some people show they've been gifted one of the new update cars within a couple days of the latest update. How does that factor into the rigged theory? Even if PD reprogrammed the 20 mil cars as a tease on the roulette, maybe it's part of their plan, the same as we can't buy a 20 mil car in the PS store, with our real money.

 

[Strax]

How about telling us an conspiracy theory thats still living? Tinfoil hat? Lol.

Chem trails, HAARP, NWO, 9/11 being done by the CIA, Area 51...and many more

 

[MatskiMonk]

I am perfectly aware of gamblers fallacy. Now toss a coin and get it to come up heads five times in a row. It still has a 50/50 chance each time. Ever managed to do it though?

Got a 50p out my pocket... 20 flips, longest streak of 4 tails (Ironically in this case tails is 'the tailor of Gloucester')

Opened Excel, simulated 100 coin flips 10 times over, longest streak of either outcome as follows; 7, 6, 9, 7, 5, 5, 8, 5, 5, 5.

Now you try it, and get it to give a different result to the previous one every single time.

Explain how the same EXACT outcome out of a choice of four gives you the same EXACT result. Five days in a row. That isn't gamblers fallacy mate. That's rigging the result.

Chance.

Like I say, I'm not making a case one way or the other, but most of the arguments here are boiling down to "I haven't won one so it must be rigged!", rather than using proper stats.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Got a 50p out my pocket... 20 flips, longest streak of 4 tails (Ironically in this case tails is 'the tailor of Gloucester')

Opened Excel, simulated 100 coin flips 10 times over, longest streak of either outcome as follows; 7, 6, 9, 7, 5, 5, 8, 5, 5, 5.

Now you try it, and get it to give a different result to the previous one every single time.



Chance.

Like I say, I'm not making a case one way or the other, but most of the arguments here are boiling down to "I haven't won one so it must be rigged!", rather than using proper stats.

To replicate that you need two coins.

Car 1 coin 1 heads coin 2 tails.
Car 2 coin 1 tails coin 2 heads.
Car 3 coin 1 heads coin 2 heads.
Car 4 coin 1 tails coin 2 tails.

Lets say car 4 is 20 million. That means car 1 is next on roll over. Toss two coins. The first has to come up heads five times in a row and the second has to come up tails five times in a row at the same time. With a precise 50/50 on each coin.

 

[CBH]

I cant see any proof from you that roulette is fair. Theory is true if you cant prove its wrong.

I can not see any proof from you that roulette is rigged, by the way the roulette is fair because it is a gift on what car you get from the daily workout. It does not bother me on what car I get because it is a gift, but sadly you can not see that.

 

[KinLM]

I cant see any proof from you that roulette is fair. Theory is true if you cant prove its wrong.

This is by far and away one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum, maybe even in my life.

Let’s use your logic against you.

Here’s my theory:
The daily roulette is not rigged.
Now prove me wrong.

If you can’t, then I guess my theory is true.

 

[hicker]

Man is thread not dead yet. To be honest 20 Mil cars are only digital paperweights that are only useful in at least one set of races, which gain you nothing for except credits.

Miura is very usefull btw since its in n class. And grinding 15m is still not easy.

This is by far and away one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum, maybe even in my life.

Let’s use your logic against you.

Here’s my theory:
The daily roulette is not rigged.
Now prove me wrong.

If you can’t, then I guess my theory is true.

Use your own words. And i tell this first so you gotta do it first.

 

[Cerebral303]

And i tell this first so you gotta do it first.

Thread title - "Daily Roulette Is Rigged" - your turn first.

 

[05XR8]

End of line.

 

[hicker]

Chem trails, HAARP, NWO, 9/11 being done by the CIA, Area 51...and many more

Lmao chemtrails? Haarp?Are you kidding? Those conspiracies are dead. Even people laugh who believes them.

Thread title - "Daily Roulette Is Rigged" - your turn first.

Uhh sorry if you call my claim a conspiracy theory then you are the ones who gotta prove its wrong.

 

[KinLM]

Use your own words. And i tell this first so you gotta do it first.

I don’t have to. Multiple people have already proven you wrong to the point where you’re a laughing stock in your own thread.

Now again, I ask you. Prove my theory wrong. Otherwise, by your OWN logic, I am right and you are wrong, because I say so, and I don’t cars to form an argument, because I am a petulant child who refuses to look at evidence and logic from others, even when it is forced into my face.

 

[hicker]

I don’t have to. Multiple people have already proven you wrong to the point where you’re a laughing stock in your own thread.

Now again, I ask you. Prove my theory wrong. Otherwise, by your OWN logic, I am right and you are wrong, because I say so, and I don’t cars to form an argument, because I am a petulant child who refuses to look at evidence and logic from others, even when it is forced into my face.

Already proven im wrong? Sorry i cant see any proof about fair daily roulette.

 

[GTV0819]

Shots fired..

 

[Cerebral303]

Uhh sorry if you call my claim a conspiracy theory then you are the ones who gotta prove its wrong.

You started the thread with a claim. As has been stated multiple times now, you are the one who has to prove your claim, and if you cannot back up your original point you have nothing.

If you cannot understand this, then I am sorry but you cannot be helped.

Edit: Below from Rational Wiki (Also this applies in Philosophy and Law)

"Burden of proof (also known as onus probandi in Latin) is the obligation on somebody presenting a new idea (a claim) to provide evidence to support its truth (a warrant). Once evidence has been presented, it is up to any opposing "side" to prove the evidence presented is not adequate. Burdens of proof are key to having logically valid statements: if claims were accepted without warrants, then every claim could simultaneously be claimed to be true.

Abuse:
Shifting the burden
Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim."

 

[MatskiMonk]

To replicate that you need two coins.

Car 1 coin 1 heads coin 2 tails.
Car 2 coin 1 tails coin 2 heads.
Car 3 coin 1 heads coin 2 heads.
Car 4 coin 1 tails coin 2 tails.

Lets say car 4 is 20 million. That means car 1 is next on roll over. Toss two coins. The first has to come up heads five times in a row and the second has to come up tails five times in a row at the same time. With a precise 50/50 on each coin.

The answer is 42!!!!!



Okay, so I think I get what you're saying... so I went back to excel.. and created the two coin, four car scenario. Used RANDBETWEEN(0,1) to give a result for each of the two coins, 0 being heads, 1 being tails. Set up the formulas to show the results as HT, TH, HH, TT and copied it down a bunch of times, it literally refreshed once, and got a specific outcome (TH in this case) 6 times in a row starting on the 232nd row... so it's perfectly possible (assuming PD use a 2 coin toss method to determine the outcome) to get an occurrence of one combination 5 times over within 33 weeks of having the game... I then got another outcome (HT), 6 times in row at the 292nd row... (8 weeks of play later).

Here's a nasty graph as some kind of evidence I'm not pulling this out of my donkey...

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