DeadNutsEven - Where anyone can win!!

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We encourage anyone that desires to do so, to post tunes specifically related to DeadNutsEven racing and by that I mean, don't clutter up the thread with posts of LMP or GT500 cars, or just generic cars you have tuned but never used or intend to use here. As wonderful as your tunes for those cars might be, we'll not likely ever use them here.

But any tune that fits in with the type of racing that we do, that you feel might help someone, or is a car you've already been successful with, by all means throw it up here, the more the merrier. Even small tuning tweaks can make big differences in the driveability of many cars.

Be sure to include a clearly defined heading like so, pictures are optional:

Mazda RX-8 Type S 07'​
Tuned for Suzuka East on CS tires, 1:01


All the tunes will be linked through [post=7815139]POST #4[/post] where the tuning tips link and video is, so you don't have to go searching through the thread to find what you are looking for. Since the events are also linked on post [post=7815136]POST #3[/post], it should be fairly simple to compare the PP of the tuned car vs. the BMW Z4 test car, and make a conversion to your likely PP level in the tuned car, for a current event.
 
sagarismic / Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 / Premium / 416PP / Full Tune / No ABS

Thanks to both JP and Orido for the tunes. I incorporated a bit of both into my final product, but with higher ballast and 230 hp. Car is much more balanced and predictable, so easy to drive fast and correct slides when it goes wrong.

Just finished a few practice races with cote in the lounge. Went really well. Looking forward to tonight. :)
 
Congratulatins to Trackbound7 for winning [post=7563868]The American G.A.S.S. Series with Nascars[/post]. Track also collected the Most Poles and the Frontrunner Award in a dominating season.

Way to go Track:tup:👍

Anyone interested in very close racing should check the series out. Most of the races are on ovals and the racing is close from start to finish. HP was limited to 650 which made the cars a little easier to drive and the racing even tighter than usual.
 
Thanks JP. The racing was definitely close with some serious competitors. I believe the group will be starting up again in January for a new season (with NASCAR again before we go back to IROC - Camaro). We run cautions up to 5 laps to go, so even if there is a mistake between 2 or more drivers, your day is not ruined. I continue to push some of those guys to join us over here. Ace has shown some interest and I will continue to harass the rest.
 
Congratulation Trackbound, now it is going to be an honour in addition to be a pleasure to race with you tonight.:gtpflag:

Nice new avatar.👍
 
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A little chaotic tonight with the connection and lag issues and a couple of bumps and bruises, but some very good battles nonetheless. An unusual mix of cars tonight too which made for some interesting racing. :)

Qualified For This Event

TrackBound7 / Pontiac GTO 5.7 '04 / Standard / 472pp / Bolt-on
Johnnypenso/Chevrolet Corvette (C3) 69'/442PP/Tuned/No ABS
Ferraridude308 / BMW M3 GTR '03 / 414PP / Spec / Standard / No ABS
cotedazur06/Suzuki GSX-R/4 Concept '01/Standard/400PP/Spec/ ABS on
Ridox2JZGTE / BMW Z4 M Coupe '08 / 435PP / Tuned / Premium / No ABS
iainoflo85 / Opera Performance S2000 '04 / 424 PP / Tuned / No ABS
dsgerbc / Range Stormer Concept '04/ 466 PP / Tuned / ABS=1
sagarismic / Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 / Premium / 416PP / Full Tune / No ABS


Race 1
  1. Dsgerbc
  2. IforceV8
  3. Sagarismic
  4. Ferraridude308
  5. Trackbound7
  6. Johnnypenso
  7. Cotedazur06

Race 2
  1. Trackbound7
  2. Johnnypenso
  3. Cotedazur06
  4. Ferraridude308
  5. IForceV8
  6. Sagarismic
  7. Dsgerbc
  8. Iainoflo85

Race 3
  1. Dsgerbc
  2. Sagarismic
  3. Johnnypenso
  4. Trackbound7
  5. Ferraridude308
  6. Cotedazur06
  7. IForceV8

Race 4
  1. Trackbound7
  2. Ferraridude308
  3. Johnnypenso
  4. Dsgerbc
  5. IForceV9
  6. Iainflo85
  7. Sagarismic
 
I feel like I have more apologies than anything. Just a careless night on my part with a couple of incidents that cost other drivers. Glad we ran the 4th bonus race so I had a shot to redeem myself. JP, I should be DQ'ed from race 2. After the mid way point I started hitting 1:00.8s, then dropped a couple to .6s with no draft.
 
I feel like I have more apologies than anything. Just a careless night on my part with a couple of incidents that cost other drivers. Glad we ran the 4th bonus race so I had a shot to redeem myself. JP, I should be DQ'ed from race 2. After the mid way point I started hitting 1:00.8s, then dropped a couple to .6s with no draft.

Thanks for the offer Track but for now I'm going to let it stand. I have seen it reported more than once, and I've seen it myself in testing, that after 6-8 laps give or take depending on the track, there seems to be an slight drop in laptimes which I assume comes from a slight increase in grip for some reason. It doesn't make any sense but I'm going to do some thorough testing over the next week or so and I urge anyone who can spare the time to do the same. Could be just a fluke or coincidence, but if it's accurate we're going to need to take it into account in our own laptimes because going under will be unavoidable if it proves to be true.

I also figured out how to use the "list" function from GTPlanets BB Code list so it makes posting results fairly quick and easy. Copy and paste the graphics, same with the qualified cars, copy and paste the list template I made and then fill in the names and it pops out like above. Should have it down to 10 minutes or less soon enough.
 
It does happen at times, I had a practice at Cape Ring South, with my Z34 used on the race with FerrariDude's NSX. It has only 445pp, 292HP - 1577kg, SH and tire wear was on, NC was in the room. I was averaging 1:29.xxx, then in lap 8 with 80% tire left, I had a nice clean run 1:28.1xxx, almost a second faster than my usual pace ...very close to 1:27s which I think is possible.
 
Cape Ring South,1'29. SH
cotedazur06/Pagani Zonda C12 '00/Standard/480PP/Fully Tuned/ ABS off
 
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Cape Ring South,1'29. SH
cotedazur06/Pagani Zonda C12 '00/Standard/480PP/Fully Tuned/ ABS off

Do you remember what sort of top speed you're hitting at the end of the main straight?
 
Top speed on the Cape Ring South is important, when I raced Ferrari, he was driving the NSX, his car can reach 200 km/h before braking, mine only manage around 190+ km/h, but cornering speed are about the same, except for the big long curve and the last s bend before the hairpin, his NSX could hit higher average speed, which make my Z34 could not keep up.

I think getting higher speed on the long curve and last s bend before the hairpin is crucial, lots of time can be lost there. My Z34 can hit 170km/h before braking for the last hairpin, but it's hard to pull off with such heavy car. Maintaining higher speed around esses and hairpins will make passing a whole lot easier.

I tested the RX8 that I have shared the tune here for Sag, it can pull 1:28.xxx with 435pp, which is a testament of better handling car can maintain higher cornering speed and will reap better time too.
 
No doubt, Cape Ring South will be another track where car selection will important. Much more of a handling track than Suzuka East but still with two long sections that are flat out. If it goes well next week, we might just keep Cape Ring South on the agenda as the first race of the New Year:)
 
I've never really paid much attention to Cape Ring South until now, but it's a great track... I really enjoy turning laps here working on my car setups. 👍
 
I've never really paid much attention to Cape Ring South until now, but it's a great track... I really enjoy turning laps here working on my car setups. 👍

It's definitely underutilized in the game. When I raced frequently in Open Lobbies, it was rare for any of the Cape Rings to come up at all. Cape Ring Inside, which is on the agenda for a future event, is also interesting. A very technical short course (just over a minute) where the fastest part of the course is the big sweeping uphill lefthander where, with the right PP and tire choice, your car is right on the edge of drifting out in that portion of the track.

CHUCK NORRIS EDIT: The trip I was supposed to take last weekend is now on for today, so I'll be gone until Thursday. Try not to burn the place down while I'm away..:cheers:
 
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Some feedback on yesterday:
1) I doubt I'm gonna be using a car like that again, I got very little side-by-side action. Which is understandable. I think in race 2 Iain got wide in the last corner and I dove inside. No sure he saw me, but when he decided to come down a contact that wouldn't have been too bad in some other car ended with a case of me pinballing him all over the lawn. Sorry, Iain. I tried giving him a push down the straigh after that and apparently that's a bad idea too.
2) I stand by my opinions expressed before. Especially banning the AWD when rear-drive cars are allowed.
3) For race 4 I switched to the car that has a ton of downforce. I suppose it could've been fun if I ran it before. That way people would've been expecting me on their insides/outsides in the esses. Sorry Cote.

So I suppose if everyone shows up in an SUV for Cape ring race, high-downforce car car pass them in the esses. If not, I expect the winning combination to be a car that's slow but unpasseable through both sets of esses (effectively running good laps for itself, but slowing everyone else down relative to the target).

Have fun, I'll be back in January, running mid-pack with a car I enjoy.
 
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Some feedback on yesterday:
1) I doubt I'm gonna be using a car like that again, I got very little side-by-side action. Which is understandable. I think in race 2 Iain got wide in the last corner and I dove inside. No sure he saw me, but when he decided to come down a contact that wouldn't have been too bad in some other car ended with a case of me pinballing him all over the lawn. Sorry, Iain. I tried giving him a push down the straigh after that and apparently that's a bad idea too.
2) I stand by my opinions expressed before. Especially banning the AWD when rear-drive cars are allowed.
3) For race 4 I switched to the car that has a ton of downforce. I suppose it could've been fun if I ran it before. That way people would've been expecting me on their insides/outsides in the esses. Sorry Cote.

So I suppose if everyone shows up in an SUV for Cape ring race, high-downforce car car pass them in the esses. If not, I expect the winning combination to be a car that's slow by unpasseable through both sets of esses (effectively running good laps for inself, but slowing everyone else down relative to the target).

Have fun, I'll be back in January, running mid-pack with a car I enjoy.

Good feedback and it's all stuff we considered before so I'll put it into the DeadNutsEven perspective. I'm going to use your feedback and experience as the example so don't think I'm singling you out even though I am..lol.:sly:

I'd be awfully disappointed in this group if the field for Cape Ring was full of SUV's and trucks but I would bet the farm it isn't likely. The whole vibe we're trying to create here is a friendly place to gather and race, where talent is equalized by everyone qualifying and being able to run the same laps times. If winning was the primary goal, we would have 8 SUV's in the next race but in dozens upon dozens of races going back to the Parity League that hasn't happened and I doubt it will start now.

From the beginning, back in the days of Parity Racing, we all realized that there was a way to game the system. In the very first race I think it was, our host Mike showed up in the Dodge Ram at Nurb GP/D and someone else (DitQuois?) was in an Elise the rest of us were in the usual assortment of street cars. I believe Mike's opinion at the time was that although it qualified under the rules it didn't make for good racing to have such a big vehicle on the track that was so off pace in the corners, kind of blocking the way. I don't believe it ever showed up again, nor do I recall any other vehicles of that nature making an appearance but we didn't change any rules to make it illegal to use it, the guys, of their own volition, just decided not to use it or vehicles like it.

The kind of unspoken, underlying current, was that the better drivers (which Mike was) would not go out of their way to take advantage of the system in some way because victory was not as meaningful as good close racing where if you do win, it's likely because of racecraft and talent, as opposed to picking the class of vehicles that games the system, whether they be big heavy tanks, or race cars or what have you.

On the other side of the coin, some of the slower drivers can use the advantage the comes with the 4wd or downforce of a race car because it gives them a little more consistency and a better shot at finishing on the podium, even with the couple of small mistakes that they are likely to make during the course of an event. To take the option of that advantage away from them, makes it that much harder for them to be competitive and discourages their participation to some degree which is not our purpose here.

So I guess you could say we've never really focused on going to extremes to find a winning combination before, most of us show up in cars that we just enjoy driving, that, like IForce mentioned earlier, might be cars that aren't competitive in head to head PP racing, but which are fun to drive and can be perfectly competitive under this formula. I have always liked that Vette I drove last night, but it's not competitive in head to head PP battles, but is still fun to drive. I drove behind IForce last night and realized the DeLorean had a great exhaust sound so now it'll be on my list of cars to drive. Track's GTO looked nice and sounded pretty good so it'll be on the list too. But the Range Rover is not on my list because it's too far off pace, but then again neither is the GSX-R for the same reasons. I want to be in their mixing it up with everyone else, not way out in front at some points on track and way behind in others.

So you could say I'm glad, we're all glad, you arrived at the conclusion you did about the heavyweights. Hopefully it means that you're in the DeadNuts way of thinking, that competing and battling is the main goal and winning is just the cherry on top:cheers:
 
Hi, JP, I was in the lounge for several hours with Cote and NC, tweaking suspensions to make some heavy and light FR cars handle well on the Cape South esses and hairpins. Some of them are Infiniti G35, Z33 + Z34 Fairladys, BMW Z4 M Coupe, FD Efini RX7 '91, HR32 Skyline GTS, etc.

Also have a tune for Lancer Evo V GSR with AYC which can get into 1:29s with around 450pp, if anyone wanted the tune for comparing or adapting, let me know, I'll post it here or send via PM, your call, cheers :D or any request for tune and test, just holler at me, if I have the car in my garage, I'll give it a go :)
 
Better drivers, if they want to stay in the mix and not being run over every straight, will have to go for something heavy or otherwise crappy-handling car.

The SUV here is beside the point. I can take some random AWD car, raise it, give it terrible suspension and it will corner like crap. But it will still be unpassable in the esses, holding everyone up.

And again, I'm fine with an unpassable car, if it's not AWD. Fine, it gets to hold-up people in race one, but in the next race it doesn't get to jump all those cars that it was holding up in a previous race and do it to them all over again.

I will re-iterate. I think this group will benefit if beside the target lap time benchmark sector times are also posted. No enforcement is neccesary, but people will know where they should be if they want fair side-by-side action, and choose for themselves if they want to comply. And ban/discourage AWD or go to rolling starts.

And quite frankly I'm not sure what's the purpose of posting 'results' if the primary purpose is side-by-side racing. Just post some highlight.
 
I will re-iterate. I think this group will benefit if beside the target lap time benchmark sector times are also posted

There is a few things that I can think that this group could benefit from, but posting sector time is not one of them.

Better drivers, if they want to stay in the mix and not being run over every straight

Better driver have been very happy with this formula for more than 50 events, the formula works great as is, might not be for every one.
 
yes to participate in what we believe to be a great opportunity for fun and competitive racing.
Then please exert some effort and explain why what I suggest is gonna make racing worse. Heck, it doesn't even have to be sector times, it could be top speed on the front straight.
 
Then please exert some effort and explain why what I suggest is gonna make racing worse. Heck, it doesn't even have to be sector times, it could be top speed on the front straight.

The effort was made about a week ago when I responded in great detail to the same feedback you had a week ago. Its still there, just go back a week and you'll have your answer, in combination with what iposted up above. If you have a specific questions about anything I said feel free to post them here.

I'm sure there's more than one person reading this that might benefit from more clarity on what DeadNutsEven racing is about:tup:
 
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