Dear Mr. Yamauchi - A question regarding the future of GT Offline.

Ya know, you're right. Everyone here LUUVS Gran Turismo to death...

Okay, maybe that's overstating things a bit. People have finally grown comfortable with the quality of car sounds, the bot performance, they've grown to accept the Standard cars and tracks... it has become a much nicer atmosphere around here.
The immaturity level of some of your responses is really quite amazing. You seem to do ok when you are making speeches, but as soon as you are challenged on any of your wilder assertions, you drop several birthdays and devolve several levels of maturity. Quite fascinating really.
 
Well thank you for that, guy who posts what I did in GT6, and what I'm thinking and feeling. So astute of you and your psychic friend. :D

I think a quote from Lawndart is apropos here.
Geez... The bulk of the GT planet community reminds me of fight club... People get hyped, take a stance on something, hold it dear and personal, then someone steps in a booby trap and POW... The match begins...

Such a divided group, like a microcosm of modern day America...

I'm no peace maker, and in fact I promote argument as I work in a creative field, but the lack of any of it being constructive is exhausting.
And people wonder why amar212 began posting news tidbits in NeoGAF instead of here...
 
It could be a variety of things. Maybe it's the pessimistic attitude of some members. Maybe it's other members staunch refusal to back up some of their wilder claims about yet other members. Maybe it's the delicious irony of you accusing others of putting words in your mouth that's kept him away?

Just like a great many things about GT, PD, and Kaz, we don't know the reasons for that, D. And neither do you.
 
Yeah, sure, but I wouldn't bet on that. Like, you'd be annoyed that people make unfounded claims, like all the cars sound like Hoovers, to the point you'd leave?

I think Lawndart has it nailed.
 
Yeah, sure, but I wouldn't bet on that. Like, you'd be annoyed that people make unfounded claims, like all the cars sound like Hoovers, to the point you'd leave?

I think Lawndart has it nailed.
Sounds to me like you're making an exit strategy to go take up residence at NeoGAF. In that case, 👍👍
 
Not exactly. :D

But I'll go ahead and say that, in fact, yes I do know something about it, because people PMed me about how bad this place had become, and even the unfavorable slant from certain mods here. On occasion I'll still get PMs on PSN about how they peek in from time to time and see it's the same old poopfighting they left behind. I'll get kudos for toughing it out here, and one good laugh from a friend at the grousing over the return of Standard content to GT7. My autocrossing relative who shall forever remain nameless, says that it's not worth it to get caught up in stupid board politics.

Now you guys can pretend that this is just good clean fun all you want, and that GT Planet is a bright sunny playground. But it's a playground with quite a number of bullies in it. I think it's quite strange that a board devoted to one game has people afraid to post favorable things about that game because they just don't need the derision cast at them from some of the members here. Should be quite the opposite.
 
Not exactly. :D

But I'll go ahead and say that, in fact, yes I do know something about it, because people PMed me about how bad this place had become, and even the unfavorable slant from certain mods here. On occasion I'll still get PMs on PSN about how they peek in from time to time and see it's the same old poopfighting they left behind. I'll get kudos for toughing it out here, and one good laugh from a friend at the grousing over the return of Standard content to GT7. My autocrossing relative who shall forever remain nameless, says that it's not worth it to get caught up in stupid board politics.

Now you guys can pretend that this is just good clean fun all you want, and that GT Planet is a bright sunny playground. But it's a playground with quite a number of bullies in it. I think it's quite strange that a board devoted to one game has people afraid to post favorable things about that game because they just don't need the derision cast at them from some of the members here. Should be quite the opposite.
So you're not moving to NeoGAF? :grumpy:
 
And people wonder why amar212 began posting news tidbits in NeoGAF instead of here...

Who cares? He is either wrong or speaks in ambiguous riddles that, on top of being uninformative, usually cause any new feature/patch/whatever to get overhyped to the point of mass disappointment.
 
Not exactly. :D

But I'll go ahead and say that, in fact, yes I do know something about it, because people PMed me about how bad this place had become, and even the unfavorable slant from certain mods here. On occasion I'll still get PMs on PSN about how they peek in from time to time and see it's the same old poopfighting they left behind. I'll get kudos for toughing it out here, and one good laugh from a friend at the grousing over the return of Standard content to GT7. My autocrossing relative who shall forever remain nameless, says that it's not worth it to get caught up in stupid board politics.

Now you guys can pretend that this is just good clean fun all you want, and that GT Planet is a bright sunny playground. But it's a playground with quite a number of bullies in it. I think it's quite strange that a board devoted to one game has people afraid to post favorable things about that game because they just don't need the derision cast at them from some of the members here. Should be quite the opposite.

Agreed. It's become a measuring competition between certain members and their recurring posts. Disagree and you get called an apologist. Point out a double standard, must be straw man.

Anyways, I liked how the thread poses a question about GT offline, and provides lots of answers about GAS. It would make a good infomercial.
 
Anyways, I liked how the thread poses a question about GT offline, and provides lots of answers about GAS. It would make a good infomercial.
Certainly would look a lot better than GT's "infomercial," which will likely consist of bad sounds, bad AI, and non-existent racing, but that's okay because "I like it therefore everyone should grow to like it as well."

Grid is much more fun than GT6 can ever hope to be. Racing is a fun activity, and GT has captured none of its excitement nor its atmosphere.

Competition is GOOD. If used correctly, comparisons can only help to improve.
 
In GT7 I hope the major change will be the freedom so that you'll no longer be forced to start from the very bottom, using slow cars.

Credits system could be paired with achievement/reward system. A lot more cars should be obtainable via missions, races and milestones.

Reach 5,000 km - win a car.

Race online for 10 hours - win a car

No ABS in 100 races - win a car.

50 photos - win a car

100 clean races - win a car

Reach 10,000 km online or offline and every single car is available for you at half the price.

Obviously the racing in offline/online has to be good in the first place to make this work.
 
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Grid is much more fun than GT6 can ever hope to be. Racing is a fun activity, and GT has captured none of its excitement nor its atmosphere.
While I don't quite feel the love the GRID fans do, I would like to join in on the chorus of those wanting more racing essence in Gran Turismo. There are contributing factors in GRID like the practice sessions - which really should be longer than 10 minutes, but hey. Qualifying has been AWOL from GT For a few games now. And one major thing which has also been missing from GT6 are tight fields, which is the one thing I do miss from GRID. Other than that, rules and penalties like PC sims have? I wouldn't mind that.

With Kaz going on a racing league and racing team shopping safari, how much of a PC sim / real world racing attitude would many of you want to see? I definitely would like to see as much as possible, segregated off in its own mode of play, a FIA GT PRO Mode or the like. Keeping the casuals in mind, for which racing sims have very little appeal, keeping classic Arcade and GT Mode for them is pretty much essential. Then give us GT PRO to enable us to experience some of that real world stuff that many of us want to see in the next Gran Turismo.

I've been saying this a lot, so here's one more. Kaz has an almost ideal model to follow in GT7 with GT Academy which he helped create with NISSAN. Just massage it a little, so that there are levels of racing to pursue, each one a mini-season concluding with a championship. Win that, and pursue your dream in something more advanced, until you progress to pro racing leagues of your choosing.

Load up a game like this with an Event Maker and Course Maker, good for both offline and online race building, beef up the online tools with Club and League Builder tools, and toss in Race Mod and that much requested Livery Editor, and Kaz would have another platinum seller.
 
While I don't quite feel the love the GRID fans do, I would like to join in on the chorus of those wanting more racing essence in Gran Turismo. There are contributing factors in GRID like the practice sessions - which really should be longer than 10 minutes, but hey. Qualifying has been AWOL from GT For a few games now. And one major thing which has also been missing from GT6 are tight fields, which is the one thing I do miss from GRID. Other than that, rules and penalties like PC sims have? I wouldn't mind that.

With Kaz going on a racing league and racing team shopping safari, how much of a PC sim / real world racing attitude would many of you want to see? I definitely would like to see as much as possible, segregated off in its own mode of play, a FIA GT PRO Mode or the like. Keeping the casuals in mind, for which racing sims have very little appeal, keeping classic Arcade and GT Mode for them is pretty much essential. Then give us GT PRO to enable us to experience some of that real world stuff that many of us want to see in the next Gran Turismo.

I've been saying this a lot, so here's one more. Kaz has an almost ideal model to follow in GT7 with GT Academy which he helped create with NISSAN. Just massage it a little, so that there are levels of racing to pursue, each one a mini-season concluding with a championship. Win that, and pursue your dream in something more advanced, until you progress to pro racing leagues of your choosing.

Load up a game like this with an Event Maker and Course Maker, good for both offline and online race building, beef up the online tools with Club and League Builder tools, and toss in Race Mod and that much requested Livery Editor, and Kaz would have another platinum seller.
Anything at all that increases the content of the A spec /single player aspect of the game will get my vote everytime, since that is the only part of the game I play. WITH ONE PROVISO. That all races , no matter how easy or difficult, are open to everyone who buys the game from the beginning. No more padlocks. No more forcing me to race karts or rally stages, no more time trials , licence tests, or knocking down cones which must be completed to open more content. Let me and everyone else who buys the game enter ANY race whenever we want to.
 
Variety of Events as I've said before. Not just about circuit racings.

Since we may be getting the Zahara circuit, maybe something along the lines of a speed challenge race or something like that. To get the highest average speed on sections of the track.

So to sum up what I've thought of

  1. More drifting (Dunno how to drift? Then learn, I'm learning and succeeding plus it can be handicapped.)\
  2. Gymkhana
  3. Sprint Racing (Some new tracks for this would be nice)
  4. Touge (You need some smart AI though.)
  5. Rally style events like in GT5, maybe some Rallycross too.
  6. Speed Challenges
  7. PGR4 like cone challenges
More variety, more events, more gameplay. That can be the future of offline I suppose.

Padlocks need to stay for some things though. Like for Licenses. GT will become too easy if there isn't a form of difficulty. Like that boss in Super Mario, either you pass or step your game up.
 
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Not exactly. :D

Well, I guess either it really hasn't gotten all that bad, or you just enjoy martyring yourself here on the boards.

But I'll go ahead and say that, in fact, yes I do know something about it, because people PMed me about how bad this place had become, and even the unfavorable slant from certain mods here. On occasion I'll still get PMs on PSN about how they peek in from time to time and see it's the same old poopfighting they left behind. I'll get kudos for toughing it out here, and one good laugh from a friend at the grousing over the return of Standard content to GT7. My autocrossing relative who shall forever remain nameless, says that it's not worth it to get caught up in stupid board politics.

I must ask, why do you do it then?
Perhaps the answer is listed below.

Now you guys can pretend that this is just good clean fun all you want, and that GT Planet is a bright sunny playground. But it's a playground with quite a number of bullies in it. I think it's quite strange that a board devoted to one game has people afraid to post favorable things about that game because they just don't need the derision cast at them from some of the members here. Should be quite the opposite.

Has it, grown more testy here?
Since the release of GT5 and 6, I have to say, yes I think it has.
It seems as if 5 and 6 ignited a desperate struggle for the heart and soul of GT, not prevalent during the Glory years of 1-4.
Undoubtedly, during that period there was more commonality at GTP.
Nevertheless, in the present circumstance, its to be expected, that passions will run high and divisions deep.
As the old saying goes, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Quite frankly, I'll take fussing, fuming, and fighting anyday, to a forum full of lockstep yes men.
Without question, the former maintains a healthier perspective.
Even so, I do think every effort should be made to remain courteous and respectful, acknowledging other points of view, realizing the other guy is as passionate about his side as you are about yours.
Engaging in extremely stimulating exchanges, doesn't always mean, the other guy is a bully.
I have been around GTP for a fairly long time and save for maybe one, I have not encountered any.
Sometimes, I get the impression you(Ten D) would call Little Bo Peep a bully, if she disagreed with you.
 
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Sometimes, I get the impression you(Ten D) would call Little Bo Peep a bully, if she disagreed with you.
Sure. ;)

I have only hung out with
  • Gays
  • Liberals and Communists (a couple)
  • Occultists and New Agers
  • Atheists and Fundamentalists
  • Jews and Muslims
  • Hindus and Buddhists
  • Hell, I work in the Obama administration
And if there's a group left, I bet I've hobnobbed with them too, and many have been friends. I've often disliked what they've said, and they sure haven't been Bo Peeps, but we've eventually agreed to differ on many subjects. But there's one big difference between them and a number of people here.

They know how to hush up. State a case and move on.

There are a few people here who won't stop dragging their grouches through the boards endlessly. Been in the Standard car threads recently? Yes you have. Visited the sound threads? Yes you have. Besides, if people can lie routinely about the quality of the car sounds, I really can't see why it's unusual to remark unfavorably about the toxic atmosphere such members foster.

Let me and everyone else who buys the game enter ANY race whenever we want to.
I'm not sure how that would work in single player. Arcade I could see, where every car could be available. Maybe you mean that the only restriction in GT Mode is that you have to acquire an appropriate car. But I really doubt that GT7 is going to break that tradition, and it's popular game design in too many racing games to boot.
 
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Sure. ;)

I have only hung out with
  • Gays
  • Liberals and Communists (a couple)
  • Occultists and New Agers
  • Atheists and Fundamentalists
  • Jews and Muslims
  • Hindus and Buddhists
  • Hell, I work in the Obama administration
And if there's a group left, I bet I've hobnobbed with them too, and many have been friends. I've often disliked what they've said, and they sure haven't been Bo Peeps, but we've eventually agreed to differ on many subjects. But there's one big difference between them and a number of people here.

They know how to hush up. State a case and move on.

There are a few people here who won't stop dragging their grouches through the boards endlessly. Been in the Standard car threads recently? Yes you have. Visited the sound threads? Yes you have. Besides, if people can lie routinely about the quality of the car sounds, I really can't see why it's unusual to remark unfavorably about the toxic atmosphere such members foster.


I'm not sure how that would work in single player. Arcade I could see, where every car could be available. Maybe you mean that the only restriction in GT Mode is that you have to acquire an appropriate car. But I really doubt that GT7 is going to break that tradition, and it's popular game design in too many racing games to boot.
You left out Blacks, Hispanics and Asians:lol:...and liberals and communists are pretty much two sides of the same coin:eek:

The problem with a linear career mode is time and frankly boredom. Not everyone wants to race Vitz's and econoboxes for hours just so they are allowed to race a proper racing car. IMO the game would better serve it's entire customer base by allowing us to pick and choose where we would like to start our career and let us jump around to do the things we really like and look forward to, instead of forcing everyone to follow a single, predesigned career path.

Options, they are a wonderful thing.
 
There are a few people here who won't stop dragging their grouches through the boards endlessly. Been in the Standard car threads recently? Yes you have. Visited the sound threads? Yes you have. Besides, if people can lie routinely about the quality of the car sounds, I really can't see why it's unusual to remark unfavorably about the toxic atmosphere such members foster.

I think it is sort of like the old saying, a fast race car and winning will cover over a multitude of problems.
The sound was basically lousy in the glory days I mentioned, but was not dwelled upon near as much as it is now.
As the quality of the game has decreased, so has the patience of players with the long term underlying annoyances.

BTW, they are not all lies.
The sound issue is at times, overstated and overemphasized perhaps, but I wouldn't say to the toxic extent.
At any rate, I know what you mean.
 
You left out Blacks, Hispanics and Asians:lol:...and liberals and communists are pretty much two sides of the same coin:eek:

The problem with a linear career mode is time and frankly boredom. Not everyone wants to race Vitz's and econoboxes for hours just so they are allowed to race a proper racing car. IMO the game would better serve it's entire customer base by allowing us to pick and choose where we would like to start our career and let us jump around to do the things we really like and look forward to, instead of forcing everyone to follow a single, predesigned career path.

Options, they are a wonderful thing.

This is why I would like championships in the arcade mode.

PLUS....

When you win a championship, the REQUIREMENT to pass a certain license test is removed. I remember finishing GT1's arcade mode, and STILL couldn't get past the I-A license and participate in several of the top races. BEYOND frustrating!
 
This is why I would like championships in the arcade mode.

PLUS....

When you win a championship, the REQUIREMENT to pass a certain license test is removed. I remember finishing GT1's arcade mode, and STILL couldn't get past the I-A license and participate in several of the top races. BEYOND frustrating!

Licences are there for a reason, to prove that you're able to drive in those conditions. Make it easy to obtain a bronze so yoh can get the license you need but for silvers and golds it should be harder. GT4 had that balance for licenses, was easy to get a bronze but you really had to grind to get a silver or gold

Difficulty makes you a better driver, not just getting things easy.
 
So did GT2. (I would love to play GT4, but my PS2 won't read it.....) But the point remains. Some people don't want to bother with them, so if they do like arcade (I don't that much), they can still have access to the entire game if they can finish a championship. They can obviously drive THAT well! ;)
 
So did GT2. (I would love to play GT4, but my PS2 won't read it.....) But the point remains. Some people don't want to bother with them, so if they do like arcade (I don't that much), they can still have access to the entire game if they can finish a championship. They can obviously drive THAT well! ;)

My point still stands. The game will just become too easy then more complaints will come about ease. If people don't want to bother about licenses and other challenges then too bad, don't play the game then until you have your license.

I'm not the best GT Driver but I want challenge when I play the game. Not impossible type races but just challenge. I'll make it my business to obtain something in order to progress. This is why I'm even proposing different disciplines for racing like Gymkhana ane what not, because it gives challenge and different forms of challenges. It makes the game all the more fun. People shouldn't knock it but rather give it a try. Especially in this case because it's
more for offline play.

This is my issue with video games in general these days. The games just become too easy then they become boring. The minute it has some difficulty, that's when people complain.

Funny enough the last challenging game I've played was Rayman Origins. Though it had some easy bits, the difficulty curve soon changed and I had so much fun because of that.
 
You left out Blacks, Hispanics and Asians:lol:...and liberals and communists are pretty much two sides of the same coin:eek:
That is true, and I thought I should edit that after I posted it - and promptly fell asleep. :embarrassed: Crawled into bed early when I woke up. This has been an exhausting year.

But Gran Turismo isn't that linear. Yeah, with GT6 you have six levels of racing in a neat row, but within that level, you have several types of racing to choose from. It's not quite the railroad track. That would be Toca, which really is on a rail with two branches that weave into and out of each other. But as far as I know, no one complained. GRID Autosport did chop that stuff up into a few discreet themes you can jump around in as you please. But within those themes, you do have to progress through them more or less in order, unclocking as you go. And there are no sports cars. But as far as I know, no one complained.

Take Project CARS. Do you really think you'll go from karts straight into something like a Miata Cup OR FIA GT racing with McLarens and Aston Martins? I'm betting that won't be the case, that it'll be something like GT4 or 6. This is supposed to be a career based game, after all, and I'm unaware of any job where you can go from being the mailboy to the boss in a few days. And I sincerely doubt you'll care if it's an arduous ordeal to get from karts to FIA GT because you'll be all "P CARS! WEE!!" And I could be the same way, especially after GRID soured on me within a couple of weeks. Besides, it should be something of an ordeal. It takes years for most racers to go from racing sports cars to LeMans Prototypes. Well, with GT Academy winners, at least a year. ;) But will anyone complain about a lack of options? I doubt it.

And the reason is that the game will, I assume, have a decent balance of challenge, progression and satisfaction. I know how much people complain about how GT6 is a casual level toybox, and how some here get all huffy if told that they could make the game more challenging. They want the challenge to be in the box to start with. And when PD's biggest fan laments that races in IA events can have a difference from first to last of a minute and a half in a five lap race - or more, I have a feeling Kaz is paying attention.

So really, I think the main option GT7 needs is a good challenge, with bots that race you, race fast, and don't spread out like highway traffic in the course of a race, unless it's an hours long enduro. And this could be patched into GT6 easily enough, I'd think.

At SuperCobraJet, I know that some of the complaints about the sounds aren't lies and some have discreet reasons for their complaints, just as those who like the game aren't all fanboys and have discreet reasons for their love of the series. I've posted a few. ;) In any case, I think everyone has had their say on this.
 
Take Project CARS. Do you really think you'll go from karts straight into something like a Miata Cup OR FIA GT racing with McLarens and Aston Martins? I'm betting that won't be the case, that it'll be something like GT4 or 6. This is supposed to be a career based game, after all, and I'm unaware of any job where you can go from being the mailboy to the boss in a few days. And I sincerely doubt you'll care if it's an arduous ordeal to get from karts to FIA GT because you'll be all "P CARS! WEE!!" And I could be the same way, especially after GRID soured on me within a couple of weeks. Besides, it should be something of an ordeal. It takes years for most racers to go from racing sports cars to LeMans Prototypes. Well, with GT Academy winners, at least a year. ;) But will anyone complain about a lack of options? I doubt it.
Behold the future:

Unlike other games that may force you to start in low tiers with slow vehicles, players in Project CARS are free to choose from any of the available championships or series on offer.
If you want to jump straight into powerful Le Mans Prototypes then you can! Similarly, if European GT cars are your thing, then go ahead!

You certainly lost that bet.:lol: I think your shortcoming here is you can't see outside your own little box. A career mode is an important element in the game, but a full career won't appeal to everyone so why not let people jump around and race how they want, when they want? Options. Want to start in a beater and progress like a real career? Go for it. Want to skip the beaters because you've been racing them for 15 years and really want to race that great sounding and handling BMW Z4 GT3 you've been seeing in previews? Go ahead. A linear career mode, even partially so, should be an option. Forcing people to slog through something they don't want to do doesn't enhance the appeal of the game. It'll be an "arduous ordeal" as you characterized it, instead of the fun challenge you would look forward to every day.


My point still stands. The game will just become too easy then more complaints will come about ease. If people don't want to bother about licenses and other challenges then too bad, don't play the game then until you have your license.

I'm not the best GT Driver but I want challenge when I play the game. Not impossible type races but just challenge. I'll make it my business to obtain something in order to progress. This is why I'm even proposing different disciplines for racing like Gymkhana ane what not, because it gives challenge and different forms of challenges. It makes the game all the more fun. People shouldn't knock it but rather give it a try. Especially in this case because it's
more for offline play.

This is my issue with video games in general these days. The games just become too easy then they become boring. The minute it has some difficulty, that's when people complain.

Funny enough the last challenging game I've played was Rayman Origins. Though it had some easy bits, the difficulty curve soon changed and I had so much fun because of that.
I think this is where a linear thinking path limits the vision one has for the game. This is an easy problem to solve. Options. Want a full career path? Good, go for it, and it comes with all the required license tests. Don't want a full career mode and want to skip the license tests? Good, go for it. Allow me to play the game my own way that brings me the most enjoyment and you play the way that brings you the most enjoyment and voila, we're both happy. License tests to me personally are not enjoyable in the least as they sit now. They aren't challenging and they aren't fun, so why would I want to do them for the 7th time? Leave them for the beginners or those that really enjoy them and let the rest of us get on with the racing.
 
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The thing is there's always going to be arguments about whether the game should be more arcade like or more sim like, whether the whole game should be open from the start or should be opened up gradually. Personally I like the licences and only being able to progress when I get them, it forces me to get better, but that's just my opinion (no flames please) PD are trying to appeal to a broad audience, people who want a real sim racing game and people who want a more arcade like game. IMO there is a great way of pleasing everyone, which they have done before and been mentioned in this thread, can't remember which maybe GT2? have an Arcade disc and a sim disc. Simples.
 
My point still stands. The game will just become too easy then more complaints will come about ease. If people don't want to bother about licenses and other challenges then too bad, don't play the game then until you have your license.

I'm not the best GT Driver but I want challenge when I play the game. Not impossible type races but just challenge. I'll make it my business to obtain something in order to progress. This is why I'm even proposing different disciplines for racing like Gymkhana ane what not, because it gives challenge and different forms of challenges. It makes the game all the more fun. People shouldn't knock it but rather give it a try. Especially in this case because it's
more for offline play.

This is my issue with video games in general these days. The games just become too easy then they become boring. The minute it has some difficulty, that's when people complain.

Funny enough the last challenging game I've played was Rayman Origins. Though it had some easy bits, the difficulty curve soon changed and I had so much fun because of that.


Have you ever played the championship in GT1 Arcade mode? It's NOT easy! I'm not the greatest driver, and I BARELY beat it on the beginner setting!

You do not know what I am comparing to if you haven't.

And, @Johnnypenso , what you are saying sounds like an open arcade mode. I'm fine with that. But the GT mode has ALWAYS been a progression, and learning to drive the new physics is, for me at least, greatly benefited by working up to in from the slower cars.
 
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Have you ever played the championship in GT1 Arcade mode????? !!!!! It's NOT easy! I BARELY beat it on the beginner setting!

You do NOT know what I am comparing to if you haven't.

Had a taste of it long ago which wasn't easy but Like I said, not impossible races rather ones that envoke challenge. Not 1 2 and you're done. I bet you felt honour once you completed that championship

Mind you GT1 was more than 10 years ago.
 
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