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[a6m5]

Famine's Alpine's cool, but I'd love to see somebody spot one from 80's - 90's. I've always liked those......

 

[1X83Z]

you forgot one little important thing, the fact that 0 of that Alpine were imported to the UK..

I've seen dozens of vehicles that were never imported to this country. I think based on the UK's less strict importation laws that, too, is not particularly amazing.

 

[Joey D]

Not to mention there are cars from all over Europe in the UK, I saw a ton from Germany and France.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Not to mention that Colorado is about the size of the U.K.

 

[Dead_Poetic]

Not to mention that Colorado is about the size of the U.K.

I fail to see the point in that.

 

[1X83Z]

I fail to see the point in that.

Same. It's not like Colorado gets cars other parts of the country don't, or vice versa.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Well, Famine compared the number of Carrera GT's in the USA to the number of Alpine's in the U.K.

A more fair comparison would be the number in Colorado to the number in the UK or the USA to Europe, at least in my eyes.

edit: But you could also look at population. Meh, I guess there's a number of ways to look at it.

 

[YSSMAN]

Same. It's not like Colorado gets cars other parts of the country don't, or vice versa.

I think he is implying that the UK is more isolated of an area compared to Colorado, but the flaw in that is that while there is a fairly large population strewn across the UK, Colorado's population (AFAIK) is limited to a few larger cities, due mostly to the mountains.

On the "other parts of the country" issue, it largely depends. Take the mid-west for example, you see the newer American cars long before you ever would out west, and so while a Buick GN/X may blend in here as something you've seen before, it would likely stick out like a sore thumb out west... European and Japanese cars usually fair better the further west you go, so while the new Impreza may be nothing new (bad example, I know), they're going to be stupidly rare here.

...But now you're getting into weather, population distribution, per-capita income, local industries, etc...

 

[Tornado]

I personally would be more excited to see an Alpine A110 (or any Alpine, for that matter) than a Carrera GT, because I've seen a Carrera GT before.

 

[1X83Z]

Well, Famine compared the number of Carrera GT's in the USA to the number of Alpine's in the U.K.

A more fair comparison would be the number in Colorado to the number in the UK or the USA to Europe, at least in my eyes.

Point taken. Depending on who you believe, there are between two and four Carrera GTs in the state.

 

[Dead_Poetic]

Point taken. Depending on who you believe, there are between two and four Carrera GTs in the state.

Three?

 

[Tornado]

Three?

 

[V1P3R]

 

[Famine]

Actually I'm not particularly impressed by your Alpine spot, especially compared to my Carrera GT spot, for several reasons.

One, the quality of my spots is based not upon rarity but upon value coupled with rarity; that Carrera GT was bought-new for $440,000 US. The reason I judge based on rarity and value is because it relates to how often owners are going to drive the vehicles. A Plymouth Conquest is rare - much rarer than the Carrera GT when new and now it's twenty years old; I've only ever seen one - but it's also worthless. Indeed, I consider a $440,000 car with 1,200 made a better spot than, say, an $80,000 car with 900 made.

Furthermore, we're comparing the entire production run of the Carrera GT to one specific model of the Alpine A110. That isn't fair. Why not compare all silver Carrera GTs to the A110 1600S? Or all yellow ones, for that matter? You've divided your spot - which was produced in much larger numbers - into one particular trim level, counting only those cars, comparing it to the entire production set of the Carrera GT. Apples to oranges.

Spot of August. I was talking about 'personally' but if those are the contenders I think I know which one I'd rather see - and I know I'm far from alone in that viewpoint.

There are somewhere between 20 and 50 Alpine A110s of any variety in the UK. There are somewhere around 1,400 remaining in the world. The Alpine A110 1600S would cost, in that condition, nearly $130,000.

And the owner was driving it to the south of France on his holidays (hence "all" the luggage at the front of the car)

 

[1X83Z]

There are somewhere between 20 and 50 Alpine A110s of any variety in the UK. There are somewhere around 1,400 remaining in the world. The Alpine A110 1600S would cost, in that condition, nearly $130,000.

Meh. I've seen rarer cars that cost more. I've seen two $390,000 Bentley Azure Mulliners, of which 159 were manufactured... and a ~$750,000 Ferrari Daytona Spider, of which about 170 were made. Plus the $1.4 million Veyron with 300 produced. A good spot, yours, but in my view no Carrera GT!

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Meh. I've seen rarer cars that cost more. I've seen two $390,000 Bentley Azure Mulliners, of which 159 were manufactured... and a ~$750,000 Ferrari Daytona Spider, of which about 170 were made. Plus the $1.4 million Veyron with 300 produced. A good spot, yours, but in my view no Carrera GT!

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[McLaren]

Meh. I've seen rarer cars that cost more. I've seen two $390,000 Bentley Azure Mulliners, of which 159 were manufactured... and a ~$750,000 Ferrari Daytona Spider, of which about 170 were made. Plus the $1.4 million Veyron with 300 produced. A good spot, yours, but in my view no Carrera GT!

1st off, you just did the samething you criticized Famine about. Using 1 particular model; the Azure Mulliner. The Mulliner isn't that gigantic of a difference from the Azure anyways.

Plus, all of those cars, except maybe the Daytona Spider, were decided that they would be limited produced.
The A110 though, obviously had no intention of being produced in small numbers when the production run was from 1961 to 1977.

Now, take this is in to consideration the next time you consider a car rare because of value and rarity.

The Alpine A110 ran for 16 years. The Carrera GT for 2 years. I find it fascinating that, while the Alpine numbers are still higher (7,176), the production-to-year is lower.
Carrera GT is 635 per year.
Alpine A110 is 423 per year.

The Alpine is also a famous racer and has easily set its place in history.
'71 and '73 saw 1-2-3 wins for the Monte Carlo Rally beating out Porsche, and continued so before then. While you can consider the Porsche Carrera GT and others better spots than the Alpine, there's no doubt that the Alpine A100 is easily a more respectable car.

And coincedentally, Famine spotted one just a day before Jean Rédelé died.

 

[Metar]

The Alpine A110 was also '71 and '73 World Rally Champion.


But an A110 Convertible, that's something I have to see. They were only sold until '69, though, and probably far rarer than coupe A110s.

 

[YSSMAN]

Why are we really arguing about this that much? Doesn't this kinda come down to personal tastes as well?

I know that if you parked a car like a Carrera GT next to a HEMI 'Cuda Convertible, I'd be going crazy over the Plymouth long before the Porsche. But, while the old car may be outstandingly awesome to me (not to mention worth four times as much as the Porsche), it probably wouldn't mean beans to other folks.

I would have went nuts seeing the Alpine, but thats largely because I haven't seen one outside of my TV set with GT4. I've already seen four different Carrera GTs on the street, and while they are still some of the coolest cars I've seen, I'd probably be more excited about the Renault at this point...

 

[McLaren]

Why are we really arguing about this that much? Doesn't this kinda come down to personal tastes as well?

I know that if you parked a car like a Carrera GT next to a HEMI 'Cuda Convertible, I'd be going crazy over the Plymouth long before the Porsche. But, while the old car may be outstandingly awesome to me (not to mention worth four times as much as the Porsche), it probably wouldn't mean beans to other folks.

I would have went nuts seeing the Alpine, but thats largely because I haven't seen one outside of my TV set with GT4. I've already seen four different Carrera GTs on the street, and while they are still some of the coolest cars I've seen, I'd probably be more excited about the Renault at this point...

Yes, it does come down to tastes, but I don't think you should exactly judge how good a spot is just on the rarity+price alone.

 

[YSSMAN]

Exactly. There is always the element of personal value as well. I'm sure people would think I'm crazy if I got a bit sentimental over a Chevy Caprice Coupe in green, but I have my reasons...

 

[Metar]

I felt the same when I spotted my Lancia Fulvia 1600 HF Coupe, even though only 6419 Coupes (the variant which I spotted was just a part of it, though) were built. It just had an aura of coolness and rareness which I rarely saw in any other car, even though this one took 9.9 seconds to hit 100Km/H, and wasn't the rarest, nor priciest, I've seen so far.

But it was cool, and that engine sounded like god in a Lancia. Haven't heard a V4 engine yet, apart from that one.

 

[Famine]

Famine's Alpine's cool, but I'd love to see somebody spot one from 80's - 90's. I've always liked those......

I've got two, but they were from a car show so don't count for DYASGT purposes. I think Specialized spotted a pair while he was at Le Mans this year.


Anyway, I think we can agree that Carrera GT = Alpine A110 = Cool spots. Moving on.

 

[Venari]

I felt the same when I spotted my Lancia Fulvia 1600 HF Coupe, even though only 6419 Coupes (the variant which I spotted was just a part of it, though) were built. It just had an aura of coolness and rareness which I rarely saw in any other car, even though this one took 9.9 seconds to hit 100Km/H, and wasn't the rarest, nor priciest, I've seen so far.

But it was cool, and that engine sounded like god in a Lancia. Haven't heard a V4 engine yet, apart from that one.

I own one. Well, nearly a HF. Mine is a 1973 1,3S series 2, RHD with UK 'hooded' lamps. It has the Sport carbs - twin 35mm dual sidedraught Dell'Ortos, HF alloy doors and bootlid, fibreglass bonnet, HF seats and Flavia Cromodora alloy wheels.

And yes, it sounds gorgeous. I've owned it since I was 18... and since it kind of... er... well, has a series of perforations around it's floorpans, it hasn't moved in a while. Next project, I swear.

 

[Metar]

Another reason to come to UKGTP8
If you abandon it, leave it to me when I'm 17.

Actually, I'm not sure if my spot is a 1600 HF, but it's the closest I could find... Got the scoop on the bonnet, but I'm not sure...
It's amazing. It's only as wide as the Fiat Panda behind it. Almost like a Toy Musclecar.


If anyone can 100%ly ID this Fulvia, here's what I shot in Italy:

Like Famine, I got a Suzuki in my shot, and higher-resolution versions on my PC.

 

[Venari]

Looks like a stock Series 3 1,3S on Fulvia HF Cromodoras. HFs had the yellow/blue HF badge, and had negative camber on the front wheels. 1,3S had positive camber, as is clearly visible on this one, and on mine. Weird spacers on the rear wheels, though - you don't need that kind of track.

 

[Alex.]

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Im still curious how many of them fairmonts were made that I saw in the barn, I doubt it would be more than 50

 

[UnoMOTO]

I recently took a pic of something good...or maybe even questionable, but my phone said that the image was too large to send to my email. What the heck is up with that? How can the phone take a picture that it can't send. Anyone else have this problem with a Razr?

 

[ExigeEvan]

Wouldn't surprise me if it's more of a network problem than a phone problem. Though it depends, did it attempt to send it at all?

 

[UnoMOTO]

I did check by sending a different pic. It simply states that the "attachment is too big".