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So quit acting like you've driven more than anyone here, like you've had more sex than anyone here.

Famine asked me how I knew everyone here and how much they enjoyed driving. I said quite simply that I didn't know everyone here I just knew myself, and that was my justification.

So just stop everyone b/c apparently guys, if M5 doesn't like it, it's automatically crap even if the "paper" agrees with him.

When the hell did I say that?! I gave an OPINION!!! I understand my opinion is unpopular, but why the hell do I care?! How come every time I spout an unpopular opinion people not only castigate me but personally attack me (yet everytime I spout a popular one, people rally around me)? Why can't people on this forum - even mature members like Famine, or just adults, like daan - take opinions AS OPINIONS and not personally attack the person posting the opinion?

You people are unbelievable. I'm beginning to re-think my decision to continue posting at this forum.
 
M5Power
Why can't people on this forum ... take opinions AS OPINIONS and not personally attack the person posting the opinion?

Because. While many people on this forum are open to the opinions of others and can understand and even relate to them, it would appear that you cannot. It seems like it's "Your way or the highway" with you, and that does provoke others to argue.
Want to stop arguing? Simple. Give a little bit to the other side.
 
The car pictured, however, was not that. You posted links to a Giulietta Spider. The car photographed appeared to be based on the later Giulia (look at the tail-lights), which looks nothing like the cars you posted links to.

I know we're getting off-topic, but if you'd read the text you'd see that while the Giulia Spider was the successor the Giulietta, and the Giulia came in a few body styles, thus probably accounting for the vastly different appearance. The links were to the Giulia Spider, not Giulietta.

Hard on the eyes: http://www.team.net/www/ktud/alfa6.html
team.net
In June of 1962, Alfa Romeo introduced the successor to the Giulietta Spider, the Giulia Spider. The new car utilized the new set of components yet unlike the other new cars, shared the older car's body. Yet, the Giulietta stayed in production until 1965.
Books:
http://www.themotorbookstore.com/alfa-romeo-spider-manual.html
http://www.spdmagbooks.com/Store/ProductDetails_24063.ncm



M5Power
Well, as far as I'm concerned, people buy cars for three reasons:

1. Because of their on-paper stats (90% of the world)
2. Because of their handling and drivability ("enthusiasts")
3. Because of how they look (emotional women and you)

As far as I'm concerned, if I were to buy a car as an enthusiast, I absolutely need both power and drivability. There's no way around it: there's really not that much joy in purchasing a car that's slower than every single minivan made since the fall of Communism.

Ladies & gentlemen, I present the Tin Man. Now who's going to donate to the Don't Got No Heart fund? ;) I'm so kidding!


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Dude, clean your windshield. :yuck:

That's not my car (as you can tell by the fact that the picture was taken from the passenger seat). :dopey: It was something about birds, toxic berries, and a poor choice of parking location.


M5Power
You don't do it because statistics factor into your decisions just as much as they factor into everyone else's. You just like to say they don't.
daan
Why did I buy the 406 coupe I have when, in every group test I read, its beaten by the BMW 328? My head was saying, "it'll be expensive to run, its French so it'll breakdown, it'll drink petrol", to which my heart replied, "but just look at it." And I'm really glad my heart won. I know that on paper the BMW would have been a better buy, but I don't drive or live on paper.

Yeah, seriously. This is not to say what does or does not define a "car enthusiast", since any anorak will argue with you until the ends of time about various facts & figures, but there's so much more to a car than just the engineering. There are so many levels to a car: performance, handling, beauty (or ugliness), amenities, feel.... Any one of these (or all of them) can strike a cord with someone and they'd all be "right" for the buyer. The Lancer Evo is technically the better drive compared to the WRX STi; the S4 is built better, will hold value better than the STi, and had a great V8; but they just didn't do it for me. In the end, it was the quirky engine, the burbly sound, and the Peter Stevens design. What part of that illogical decision is really wrong?

And concerning the lack of reliability, some people actually enjoy the challenge that comes with maintaining old (or new & crappy) cars. I know of at least two people who bought old Triumphs & Austin Healy's for the thrill of just being able to drive it. Or, rather, finally getting it working again. It's like a constantly challenging puzzle to them. It is, of course, not their only car. Someone who can only afford one car is probably not going for the rustbucket....

I guess someone should ask the question: Have you driven a car with "character"? Have you truly spent time in a car that is -- for all intents and purposes -- a lousy car but still desirable nonetheless? If not, I think you should. An old British roadster, any old Alfa, pre-993 911, even a pre-1969 Mustang. I can agree that they're not 'good' cars: they rust, they break down, they're old, but "character" is not something that can't really be explained. It has to be experienced firsthand. We're not saying you have to buy one or even like it; but you should at least see where some people are coming from. I think I can safely say that most of us have driven a 'good' car or two, and we still desire (or even own) a 'bad' car or two.

For the record, I think that an Alfa Romeo GTA will probably spend more time in the repair shop than on the road, but if I had the money and a place to put it, I'd own one and enjoy the hell out of it.

M5Power
You people are unbelievable. I'm beginning to re-think my decision to continue posting at this forum.

Ah, come on, don't do that. At the very least, we need the pictures. I actually like hearing a variety of opinions, regardless of how opinionated they are. If I can learn to get over things, I'm sure you can.



I couldn't let this one go:

M5Power
I'll put it to you this way, my boy: I've had sex, and I've driven a car. And the one I'd rather do doesn't involve a bed.

You haven't met the right pair of women. That is, until you can drive two cars at the same time. And they keep bumping into each other. On purpose. And the b<ERROR: AUP VIOLATED. USER BANNED>
 
I'll put it to you this way, my boy: I've had sex, and I've driven a car. And the one I'd rather do doesn't involve a bed.

I know danoff and others have already beaten me to it...

But, if you prefere the latter to the former, then you can't be doing the former very well. I'm sure you could recline the seats and make a temporary bed in your Danish supercharged CLK55 could'nt you? - then you have the best of both worlds!


You people are unbelievable. I'm beginning to re-think my decision to continue posting at this forum.

I believe i could make it through the day without seing another picture of a Phantom or 360 spyder outside an Atlanta hotel :rolleyes:
 
Brett, when you have sex and when you drive a decent car, you will agree. If you continue your Polo-driving virginal lifestyle you will never know the joys.

He's not a virgin. He's a very tender lover - despite his car not having any rear seats.
 
Just stop this. Everyone has his opinion. Each person here argues with someone else, and you all hit continuously m5. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
Lotus Esprit i think...👍 👍
 
Just stop this. Everyone has his opinion. Each person here argues with someone else, and you all hit continuously m5. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
Lotus Esprit i think...👍 👍
Is it normal for everyone to cross double white lines? Or is it all different in Grece?
 
i don't know how is it in other countries but in Greece is like this:
---------------------- means free overtake

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means overtake only from the left

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means overtake from the right

and
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means overtake is forbidden
The underlined dots mean a line...

However, when driving a e.g nissan sunny @ 80 mph, someone else with an esprit like this cannot control it's horsepower:) and overtakes every car is on it's way. The problem is that the police is rarely there( in this place, in other places there is a police car every 50 meters) so overtakes are very often.
And believe me the shrines you say are damaged at almost every corner:(
Greece is first in car accidents in Europe. I don't like to say that but....
The speed limits are very low. Somewhere there is a limit of 6 mph.......if i find the photo i 'll post it..
On the highways the biggest limit is 87 mph.
And something i know for America is that you cannot drive fast at the extremely long straights in Nevada for example because of the very strict police, so having a corvette or a viper means nothing there..:D :D
 
Brett, when you have sex and when you drive a decent car, you will agree. If you continue your Polo-driving virginal lifestyle you will never know the joys.
When you've had sex, and I mean proper sex, with someone else, we might forgive you for taking that back.

No but in all seriousness, what has that got to do with enjoying driving, or being a driving enthusiast. I could be far more of a driving enthuiast than you but love sex more than driving. So what do comments like yours about sex say. To me it simply say's you don't like sex, not nessicerily that you really really love driving.

With regards to Alfa's I do totally understand where your coming from, they are unreliable, hence in your opinion they are crap. The problem isn't stemming form that, it's from you not accepting that there's more to owning an Alfa than that to some people. It's not all posing, sure there will be some posers, but there are posers driving BMW's, Porsches, Fords ect so that's not limited to Alfas. There's more to a car than it's power, performance, grip and build quality, there's the desirability. Does the way the car looks and feels make you tick. I'd turn my nose up at a decent car if it didn't make me tick, and there was a not quite as good car next to it that fileld the same needs but was desirable to me.

And don't say, why don't you go and buy a 40 year old Alfa then. I'm not in the market for one, as much as I'd love to have the right circumstances to have a third car and for it to be sometihng like that. But there are bigger priorities for us than buying a classic car. You know what, I'd rather buy a TVR anyway, as if people here couldn't tell. The idea of owning a 1992 Griffith for less than 10 grand is a huge appeal to me. Is it generally reliable, not really. Can it run reliably if taken proper care of, yes. Does it make me tick, hell yeah.
 
How come every time I spout an unpopular opinion people not only castigate me but personally attack me (yet everytime I spout a popular one, people rally around me)?

Because that's what happens all the time, around the world. Tony Blair (:yuck: ) builds a school- everyone loves him. He knocks down two hospitals to make one big one- everybody hates him... weird example but you get the picture.

You people are unbelievable. I'm beginning to re-think my decision to continue posting at this forum.

That's your decision. Everyone has to deal with confrontation. When this is over it'll be back to the happy 'harmony' of the point of this thread... until the next one :lol:

Why can't people on this forum - even mature members like Famine, or just adults, like daan - take opinions AS OPINIONS and not personally attack the person posting the opinion?

Yeah, I agree... but I also agree with:

Because. While many people on this forum are open to the opinions of others and can understand and even relate to them,



The road markings ars the same in this country. I hate shrines at the side of the road but it still really annoys me when they put the speed limits on motorways down to 40-50mph. I mean, honestly.
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Saw this, but can somebody tell me what this is? I'm not so good with them.

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And this is the front end of the blue one... :D

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Zukashiri
That's your decision. Everyone has to deal with confrontation. When this is over it'll be back to the happy 'harmony' of the point of this thread... until the next one

Nah. People just get on me constantly. Even the moderators have a vendetta against me. This thread was my only safe haven, but of course three moderators came in here to take it off topic just to castigate me, as always. Daan, the worst moderator I've ever encountered in any forum on the Internet, who's always gone out of his way to start fights with me, has made 31 posts in this thread, only one of which contained a photo of something he 'saw today'. Nearly all the rest were in angry response to something I wrote, usually mis-guided, incorrect, and comically irrelevant though they were. The best one was here when he made his first post in the thread just to insult me for taking pictures while driving (a "sin" repeated numerous time before and since, with daan never saying anything until I did it). I understand I did something reprehensible a long time ago, and I guess there's no forgiveness here.

TheCracker
I believe i could make it through the day without seing another picture of a Phantom or 360 spyder outside an Atlanta hotel

No problem. See you guys.
 
This thread was my only safe haven, but of course three moderators came in here to take it off topic just to castigate me, as always. Daan, the worst moderator I've ever encountered in any forum on the Internet, who's always gone out of his way to start fights with me, has made 31 posts in this thread, only one of which contained a photo of something he 'saw today'.

One of the problems of being a moderator is that we so often have to go into threads and not participate in the topic.

Seriously, I've had 5 reports today, from 3 different members regarding posts of yours in this thread. Other members are drawing moderator attention to your posts - we don't come into your threads just to upset you.
 
Daan, the worst moderator I've ever encountered in any forum on the Internet, who's always gone out of his way to start fights with me, has made 31 posts in this thread, only one of which contained a photo of something he 'saw today'.
Care to back that up? I've posted more than one car in this thread.

Nearly all the rest were in angry response to something I wrote, usually mis-guided, incorrect, and comically irrelevant though they were. The best one was here when he made his first post in the thread just to insult me for taking pictures while driving (a "sin" repeated numerous time before and since, with daan never saying anything until I did it).
I'm not even going to respond to that. If you have a problem with me, take it up with the admins or Jordan.

But then again, by your logic, Jordan can't do anything about this thread as he's never contributed to it. :rolleyes:
 
Nah. People just get on me constantly. Even the moderators have a vendetta against me. This thread was my only safe haven, but of course three moderators came in here to take it off topic just to castigate me, as always. Daan, the worst moderator I've ever encountered in any forum on the Internet, who's always gone out of his way to start fights with me, has made 31 posts in this thread, only one of which contained a photo of something he 'saw today'. Nearly all the rest were in angry response to something I wrote, usually mis-guided, incorrect, and comically irrelevant though they were

common, your just being unreasonable.

The best one was here when he made his first post in the thread just to insult me for taking pictures while driving (a "sin" repeated numerous time before and since, with daan never saying anything until I did it).

i don't blame him, taking a photo while driving is just...:dunce:

No problem. See you guys.

bye bye

Lotus Esprit i think...👍 👍

looks like it, i saw one on the Gold Coast:)
 
Ok you lot ( NOT TAKING SIDES!). I haven't been here following this, but I HAVE read through and this is going to continue unless:

M5, you APOLOGISE, it's not hard, just one word, 'Sorry' I've said it plenty of times so I don't see why you can't. You've made a mistake, just accept, forget and move on! Remember this: you may not agree with peoples opinions but if you want to critisise them do it in your head. Use their ideas constructively and don't argue your point, just let them know what it is and why you think that, they'll respect you a lot more for it.

Everyone having a crack at M5 (Including YOU, missy! 👎 ) Cut it out now, you've had more than your 2 pennies worth, so now let him sort this out. It all seems a bit one-sided and while M5 may be in the minority, it's no excuse to gang up on him. Act like adults, resolve the issue and get this thread back to how it should be. Anyone breaching this 'code' should have to answer to the Mods. No arguements, just do it. Internet squabbling is childish anyway.

Well, that's my £47.63's worth

P.S,
I thought you said you were stopping this on the 6th? Not listening to my advice then? Naughty Bethany, lying to me now. :grumpy: 👎
Getting as bad as the rest of them.
Love from a very annoyed Jamie x. (I could of told you what those Astons were, even though they're cars you've identified to me before and are not recent pictures).
 
M5, you APOLOGISE, it's not hard, just one word, 'Sorry' [Snip]

Everyone having a crack at M5 (Including YOU, missy! 👎 ) Cut it out now, [Snip]

You forgot the "I'll turn this car around right now!" part. ;)
 
I dunno. I think it may be an older Esprit SE, because I believe the S4 had the odd looking spoiler that was mounted on the rear part of the window thing.
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Ah, Lotus Challenge. Such an awesome game. Sold the system, kept the game. Anyways, to stay on the topic, Porsche was about the nicest company I saw today, and it was just a Boxster S and 911 Carrera 4.
 
Doug
CAN ONE PERSON ADDRESS THE VEHICLES' RELIABILITY ISSUE???
Did you want this part:
If you are enslaved to reliability, then there's no reason you would understand owning a car like that one, and therefore no reason to consider owning one. But that still doesn't make them crap.
...or this one:
You may not realize it yet, but some people actually enjoy tinkering with cars and view owning an old Alpha or Triumph as a hobby in itself. I have a friend with an MG that has 3 carbuerators - no, it's not a three-deuce setup; it's got one on the car, one in a box waiting to go on the car when this one breaks, and a third one waiting to get rebuilt. He swaps between them when he changes his oil. It's part of what he enjoys about owning the car.

And if you want something modern that doesn't need to be puttered with continually...
...when I ask "What part of it do you not understand?!
I hope Doug doesn't go.

I like Doug :(
Don't worry. He'll get bored without all his toys, then he'll climb out of the pram, pick them up, and climb back in again. It'll just take a few weeks.

And really, Doug, surely you've figured this out by now: when you behave like an opinionated asshole, you get treated like one. When you don't, you aren't. Don't make me get the sock puppets out - one's got a hole that needs darning, and the other one is missing a button eye. It's a busy week and I don't have time to do the repairs.
 
Porsche 997 GT3.
Aston Martin Vanquish.
06' Mercedes SL65 AMG.
Bentley Continental.
Nissan BNR34 N1-class.
 
Aston Martin Vanquish.
06' Mercedes SL65 AMG.
Bentley Continental.
Nissan BNR34 N1-class.
We don't mind the occasional unsupported post in this thread, but please try to back up your sightings with photos you take. I've seen dozens of worthy cars that I have not reported because I couldn't get a shot of them.
 
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