DiRT 3 Event of the Week (23): CLOSED
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Wiegert
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Yeah, it took me a few days to get into the swing of things too. Once you get used to the car's behaviour in this, then it should be far less of a problem for you.
Also, 1:38.392 - Alpine A110.
I accidentally mounted the bank on the right side of the road part just after the bridge and before the first junction, which cost me some time. I also didn't quite nail the exit of the second junction, so I may just be able to improve a little bit more.
EDIT: Tried, but couldn't get a faster time. Decided to try out the other 2 cars afterwards, and non of them seem to match the pace of the Alpine. The new event is up now anyway.
Also, 1:38.392 - Alpine A110.
I accidentally mounted the bank on the right side of the road part just after the bridge and before the first junction, which cost me some time. I also didn't quite nail the exit of the second junction, so I may just be able to improve a little bit more.
EDIT: Tried, but couldn't get a faster time. Decided to try out the other 2 cars afterwards, and non of them seem to match the pace of the Alpine. The new event is up now anyway.
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Ford Fiesta Rally - 2:12.499
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2'10.502 - Ford Focus RS WRC
Best I could do so far, though I think I could make up some more time.
Edit: 2'08.199 - Ford Focus RS WRC
Kinda hard to kick the sliding habit since it does turn the car faster, but I made up some time.
Best I could do so far, though I think I could make up some more time.
Edit: 2'08.199 - Ford Focus RS WRC
Kinda hard to kick the sliding habit since it does turn the car faster, but I made up some time.
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Make that 2:08.393
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I got it now.
Kind of. Still not ready to see if using a wheel will make a difference. Also, I need a place to dump screenies.
Kind of. Still not ready to see if using a wheel will make a difference. Also, I need a place to dump screenies.
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The other dudes here who smoked my times used wheels (like wilk and I think jimftr). You have more precise control and thus less likely to oversteer or get wheelspin. But I'm glad you're getting the hang of it.
I used to think running with the ghost on was good to measure whether or not you tackled a corner fast enough. However, if I screw one turn up, I end up being desperate trying to catch up to it which effectively hinders my best performance. When that happens, I just turn off the ghost and use the checkpoint times as a benchmark. Thought I'd share that.
I used to think running with the ghost on was good to measure whether or not you tackled a corner fast enough. However, if I screw one turn up, I end up being desperate trying to catch up to it which effectively hinders my best performance. When that happens, I just turn off the ghost and use the checkpoint times as a benchmark. Thought I'd share that.
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Funny story. It's possible to shave my time down. However, it's been shown that the Fiesta can speed past the first half faster than my Mini's time. It can tackle mid-low speeds quicker because it doesn't pack all that curb weight However, I haven't been able to stay ahead after the turn around the pick-up truck. Also, I'm baffled how peopke get 1:57 on this.. I bet they're jumping the fence.
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2:07.650 - Citroën C4 WRC
I still need to try the Mini for this, but the last time I used it I hated the thing. How AOS can set a blindingly fast time with the Countryman must be down to how used he is to driving it, and probably hours of trying.
At the moment, I don't know what car is best for this one. They all seem to have their own strengths when it comes to certain sections, but they all seem to balance out by the end of the stage. So far I've had more luck with the Citroën, hence the fastest time being set with it.
I still need to try the Mini for this, but the last time I used it I hated the thing. How AOS can set a blindingly fast time with the Countryman must be down to how used he is to driving it, and probably hours of trying.
At the moment, I don't know what car is best for this one. They all seem to have their own strengths when it comes to certain sections, but they all seem to balance out by the end of the stage. So far I've had more luck with the Citroën, hence the fastest time being set with it.
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Actually, I only gave it about 8 tries. Right now, I think it's either the Mini, or Fiesta for me. As for my driving style, it's still a feel, but I try to imagine what is the fastest way to get around corners, and by fastest I'm not thinking so much "what's the highest speed I can travel through this?", but rather "How can I get around this in the LEAST amount of time?"
For the first hairpin, I brake hard, but not late. I can't explain how I judge my braking exactly, if comes down to avoiding two unwanted situation:
-If I brake late, I'll end up spending more time braking more than I actually need.
-If I don't brake enough, I slide outward killing a lot of time and a good exit speed.
Once I find the ideal braking line; where I brake, and how much I brake, it then comes down to how well you can get the car to corner:
-If I don't get the car to slide, I won't be able to get around that hairpin without dropping my speed even more since it understeers.
-If I turn too hard for too long, I'll slide outwards.
-If I'm at a low enough speed, I can get it to slide, but not fast enough to break all traction. This is what I aim for; that level of oversteer with a satisfactory amount of grip pushing me around the corner.
Also, you might notice when you do a controlled low-angle drift, some cars tend to stay in this "position" (for a lack of a better word) on it own or for a longer time than you'd like. Basically, I'll let this state of the car's condition stay like this through the turn, but only enough to get me around the corner. If I don't need it to oversteer any longer, I force the car to exit it by countersteering with just a light tap on the wheel.
A way to avoid getting all drifty is to let go very briefly before turning so your car can respond quicker to your steering, and then get back on the gas to keep accelerating. Again, be ready to counter-steer to release the throttle if you accidentally throw the car into the turn too hard.
For the first hairpin, I brake hard, but not late. I can't explain how I judge my braking exactly, if comes down to avoiding two unwanted situation:
-If I brake late, I'll end up spending more time braking more than I actually need.
-If I don't brake enough, I slide outward killing a lot of time and a good exit speed.
Once I find the ideal braking line; where I brake, and how much I brake, it then comes down to how well you can get the car to corner:
-If I don't get the car to slide, I won't be able to get around that hairpin without dropping my speed even more since it understeers.
-If I turn too hard for too long, I'll slide outwards.
-If I'm at a low enough speed, I can get it to slide, but not fast enough to break all traction. This is what I aim for; that level of oversteer with a satisfactory amount of grip pushing me around the corner.
Also, you might notice when you do a controlled low-angle drift, some cars tend to stay in this "position" (for a lack of a better word) on it own or for a longer time than you'd like. Basically, I'll let this state of the car's condition stay like this through the turn, but only enough to get me around the corner. If I don't need it to oversteer any longer, I force the car to exit it by countersteering with just a light tap on the wheel.
A way to avoid getting all drifty is to let go very briefly before turning so your car can respond quicker to your steering, and then get back on the gas to keep accelerating. Again, be ready to counter-steer to release the throttle if you accidentally throw the car into the turn too hard.
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A video would help, like I said, I suck at this stuff
Got to do an hour of the comp this morning: 2:07.637 Citroen C4 WRC
I haven't opened the Mini yet (waiting, as I drive a Clubman on the street
), but the Fiesta feels a lot twitchier than the C4. The ratios feel to long on the Fiesta too, without tuning that is!Plus I switched from "Manual H" to Manual Sequential for another 2 seconds
The H is really cool on the G27, but the paddles are faster, and you get to keep both hands on the wheel.You guys want a screen shot, as this is my first entry?
Edit: added anyways...
D3 June20_12 by pilmat, on Flickr
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Also found a cool DLC: Unlock All Cars. $2.99 in the PS Store, so I now have all cars
Had a quick run with the Mini and Fiesta, but I still like the handling of the C4 best. The Mini has an awesome stock gearbox, just wish it had a bit more front grip...
Had a quick run with the Mini and Fiesta, but I still like the handling of the C4 best. The Mini has an awesome stock gearbox, just wish it had a bit more front grip...
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Oh, What were you saying about GTuned now? 
I agree with you though. I even asked if he could provide at least some info on how he sets his times.
Also, 2:07.314 - Ford Focus RS. Now... how in the bloody world do I shave off 2 seconds? Let alone half a second.
I agree with you though. I even asked if he could provide at least some info on how he sets his times.
Also, 2:07.314 - Ford Focus RS. Now... how in the bloody world do I shave off 2 seconds? Let alone half a second.
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Wiegert, the 1st and 2nd places need to be swapped for the times currently submitted.
I find it cool that there are three different cars on the leader board. After haven driven them all, I like the balance of the C4 the best, the power of the Focus and the gearbox of the Mini.
I find it cool that there are three different cars on the leader board. After haven driven them all, I like the balance of the C4 the best, the power of the Focus and the gearbox of the Mini.
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I reduced my sliding even more through the 2nd, 3rd and 4th turn... that short turny spot before the water splash.
After the bridge (the one after the jeep), I cut between the left checkpoint flag and the boulder, but I slowed down even more than before so the car doesn't bounce. This was the biggie.
Traveling down that tight section with the rocky curbs, I traveled through even faster letting go of the gas so I wouldn't hit the damn thing. Cut big and brake early into the "hairpin".
For the last two turns, I braked early and slid the car earlier into the turn, cutting as close as I could around the tree. Then stay on the right before the last turn.
Basically, you got to feel out whether or not sliding is necessary. Usually it isn't, but sometimes it is.
What was my time anyway? 2:04.1xx?
After the bridge (the one after the jeep), I cut between the left checkpoint flag and the boulder, but I slowed down even more than before so the car doesn't bounce. This was the biggie.
Traveling down that tight section with the rocky curbs, I traveled through even faster letting go of the gas so I wouldn't hit the damn thing. Cut big and brake early into the "hairpin".
For the last two turns, I braked early and slid the car earlier into the turn, cutting as close as I could around the tree. Then stay on the right before the last turn.
Basically, you got to feel out whether or not sliding is necessary. Usually it isn't, but sometimes it is.
What was my time anyway? 2:04.1xx?
