DiRT Rally 2.0 Hands-On Preview: Magical Stage Design, Tarmac Physics Need Work
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fernandito
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Yeah Greece would have been the perfect substitute for Montecarlo.
I think It should have been UK, either Sweeden or Finland, and Greece. Germany and Montecarlo for season two so they could have had more time to tweak tarmac handling, because what can be seen on that Porche video..., jeez.
I think It should have been UK, either Sweeden or Finland, and Greece. Germany and Montecarlo for season two so they could have had more time to tweak tarmac handling, because what can be seen on that Porche video..., jeez.
You could say lots of things really. Like 'I want 20 locations with 24 unique stages each, FU CM you are lazy'
Somewhere there are still a budget that needs to be followed. If they filled the game with 6 new locations and 6 old locations they would be getting 'bohooo half the game is just recycled content'.
Can't speak for the Porsche, but there is a pretty big difference between hards and softs in the game. The R5 cars on softs have loads of grip on tarmac.
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480 stages ?
I think it's not unreasonable to expect the original locations plus the new ones to bring the total upto 12. Then charge extra for new rounds via DLC.
Yes I don't think it's right to release the old rounds as DLC unless the stages are completely different, but then this might be the case so I will wait and see.
I think it's not unreasonable to expect the original locations plus the new ones to bring the total upto 12. Then charge extra for new rounds via DLC.
Yes I don't think it's right to release the old rounds as DLC unless the stages are completely different, but then this might be the case so I will wait and see.
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A single stage? NO they can't fully, but even with the iconic stages they use variations each year mainly by moving the start and end points and due to the fact they are public roads and they change over the years as well.
The whole rally however? Well given that 40% of the miles on the 2019 Monte were remodeled from the 2018 one, yes its more than possible to get variety and changes, after all its not like CM has even used anything like the full range of stages and roads available fro any of the rally's they include.
https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/calendar/monte-carlo-2019/page/683--683-682-.html
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Usually games don't make more than half the content in a season pass to be old content from the last game either, it is not even a console generation ago old stuff like what Forza has been doing.
People wanting the same track and car for new game is fine when said games never had such contents before, I would love to have a M8 GTE in Project CARS 2 despite I've driven it in FM7.
I don't think most people will complain about that as most games are build upon the previous games. Also going by the 'bohooo half the game is just recycled content' idea then most sequel will just fall into the same category, FM7, pCARS 2, Automobilista, Flatout Ultimate Carnage, WRC7 and probably more.
Strittan
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Or better yet, do it the Polyphony way and give us DLC packs each month at no additional cost.
The whole concept of releasing half finished games at full price and then charge for DLC which obviously could’ve been in the game at launch is quite disgusting behavior to be honest. Microsoft does this as well, with the Forza franchise.
We have only ourselves to blame though.
MagpieRacer
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The polyphony way is backed heavily by Sony and is therefore more viable for them with that model. Codemasters are not backed by major studio or a Sony so that would not work for them. I'm totally fine with the first season content. The work that will have gone into revamping the stages combined with the new physics and new stage Dynamics will make them feel like a brand new experience.
I may well be in the minority but at the same time my expectations were very grounded in that I was expecting the DR1 content to be part of the seasons.
My only disappointment is that we have to wait so long for all of it
I may well be in the minority but at the same time my expectations were very grounded in that I was expecting the DR1 content to be part of the seasons.
My only disappointment is that we have to wait so long for all of it
The polyphony way is backed heavily by Sony and is therefore more viable for them with that model. Codemasters are not backed by major studio or a Sony so that would not work for them. I'm totally fine with the first season content. The work that will have gone into revamping the stages combined with the new physics and new stage Dynamics will make them feel like a brand new experience.
I may well be in the minority but at the same time my expectations were very grounded in that I was expecting the DR1 content to be part of the seasons.
My only disappointment is that we have to wait so long for all of it
Well, it would have been nice to have all 6 DR location in the launch game, no doubt. Monte is probably close to ready, but I'm certain it wasn't when the game went gold. There is no way all 6 DR locations are ready to be included as of now. Sure, we could postpone the release for 3-6 months and maybe just maybe these locations would have been finished? Meanwhile they are working simultaneously on future content. Do we wait that out as well? It'll end up being released by X-mas.
MagpieRacer
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Xmas 2020 maybe
.Would have been lovely to have it all in at launch but then I would question what we would get as DLC as we would then be looking at them making another 3 rallies from scratch which wouldn't have happened. It's a fine balance they are having to tread and I do feel for them.
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No problem in having DLC, i will buy the game after the dlc season BUT the additional rallies need to be implemented in the offline career mode as proper rounds of a championship. Not interested in free run mode. In any case i will buy wrc8 too.
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MagpieRacer
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Getting a feel for a couple of the new locations in WRC7. Still can't quite get a comfortable feel on the pad in this game. First is Poland in an R5 Fiesta and then Australia in the Polo.
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MagpieRacer
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Yeah started on 0. I think it's on around 80% now. Can't find a good compromise.
Xbox btw
Bonus vid, bit of El Condor.
Try 35 or 40.
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As far as I know:
- Project Cars 2 didn't sell previous content as DLC
- AC didn't sell old stuff as new DLC
- Gran Turismo offers old content for free
- F1 didn't sell previous released content for new
- V-Rally 4 didn't
- SLR Evo didn't
- Nfs didn't
- Wrc didn't
- Ride didn't
Only shady DLC policy so far seems to come from EA and Codemasters. Shameful to take customers for stupid. This news has certainly made me move towards a sale.
V-Rally 4 had an expensive and rediculous sp but no content was recycled.
I simply can't approve this move by Codemasters. If they thought this would go down well then really are stupid. If old locations are included there should at least be additional and new stages. The SP costs €30, which means for Season 1, one would pay €15 for 2 new cars and old content. Just no, no, no and no!
This leaves me even more wondering why they simply didn't build an expansion for DR in the first place.
Makes me pretty angry all this and I'll vote with my wallet.
Codemasters just put themselves up with the greats in terms of EA!
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Yep. Disgusting behaviour. I'm not buying until it's second hand and cheap. So in about a year.
Silver Arrows
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I wonder why? Surely because there doesn't even seem to be an appreciable difference between remastering the stages?
It's kind of amazing the amount of people who will go to bat for Codies for doing this sort of thing in this thread. Then again, it seems to be that Codies can literally get away with murder and the greater sim racing world doesn't give a **** about it.
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I would have paid more to have the full game from the start, now for me the release date of the game Is May.
I am not going through the game without all the rallies. I Will start the career mode in may with the DLC. If the DLC rallies are just for custom championships and free run and not properly integrated into the career mode (e.g. added rounds to existing Championship) i Will skip the game completely moving to WRC 8 only.
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@doblocruiser you were excited about the base game and ordered, now you don't like the optional DLC you're cancelling? Right...
Look at it a certain way; in business, you've got a budget. Codemasters have been given a budget to work on. That budget is based on predicted sales of the base game plus the sales of DLC seasons. Are you saying that the new models, textures, implementation of surface degredation, new pace notes, AI tuning, testing compounds etc takes no time (and thus costs no money)? And the car remodelling, physics upgrades and retexturing takes no time? And the licencing costs no money?
I agree that they haven't thought about how this would be received and recognised that people would be upset, but I don't really get why they are. It's a consumer friendly practice to include new content in the base and make the upgraded stages optional IMO, as it is to allow the purchase of individual bits.
Another point; Project CARS 2 and AC both had excellent DLC schemes and I bought most of each (including Brands Hatch and Barcelona RX that was based on the GP circuit and Mugello they built for PC1). But they were doing ~10km of new content in each whereas this DLC season will give me ~70km of new stage for the same price.
Anyway, I'll remember to copy you in on all the videos I make with the Citroen DS on Monte Carlo
Look at it a certain way; in business, you've got a budget. Codemasters have been given a budget to work on. That budget is based on predicted sales of the base game plus the sales of DLC seasons. Are you saying that the new models, textures, implementation of surface degredation, new pace notes, AI tuning, testing compounds etc takes no time (and thus costs no money)? And the car remodelling, physics upgrades and retexturing takes no time? And the licencing costs no money?
I agree that they haven't thought about how this would be received and recognised that people would be upset, but I don't really get why they are. It's a consumer friendly practice to include new content in the base and make the upgraded stages optional IMO, as it is to allow the purchase of individual bits.
Another point; Project CARS 2 and AC both had excellent DLC schemes and I bought most of each (including Brands Hatch and Barcelona RX that was based on the GP circuit and Mugello they built for PC1). But they were doing ~10km of new content in each whereas this DLC season will give me ~70km of new stage for the same price.
Anyway, I'll remember to copy you in on all the videos I make with the Citroen DS on Monte Carlo
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My first thoughts were to wait, then that DS21 messed with my mind, finally returned from Dreamland and got back to initial thoughts.
It is not the problem that they introduce old content but simply the way the try to milk people for 'old' content that should've been there in the base game.
I would have had a lot less résistance if they added new and fresh content for excisting locations. Build upon content to have a bigger game. Now they just sell 'old' content for premium price.
With that said, look at the base game. Very limited in terms of stages.
I understand that it needs to be payed and that probably a lot of work goes in it but still it is wrong. If they release Monte, Sweden and Germany, then why for god's sake not adding 2 or 3 additional stages with each location ? This way it would've been recieved a lot better and people would actually get value for money!
I simply knew this would backfire!
It is not the problem that they introduce old content but simply the way the try to milk people for 'old' content that should've been there in the base game.
I would have had a lot less résistance if they added new and fresh content for excisting locations. Build upon content to have a bigger game. Now they just sell 'old' content for premium price.
With that said, look at the base game. Very limited in terms of stages.
I understand that it needs to be payed and that probably a lot of work goes in it but still it is wrong. If they release Monte, Sweden and Germany, then why for god's sake not adding 2 or 3 additional stages with each location ? This way it would've been recieved a lot better and people would actually get value for money!
I simply knew this would backfire!
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I agree, I'd love to see that too. But why not do 8 new stages in each location? Time and money.
I think they've done it the wrong way. If they had remastered those 3 venues in the base game and held back, say Argentina or New Zealand for DLC I think it would have been received a lot better. Likewise, include the C4 and Focus in the base and cut the DS21 and C3 R5 for the DLC. Even though it's the same amount of content at the end of the day.
That's why I think it's actually friendly to make the upgraded stuff optional and it's cheaper if you only want the new bits. No-one is taking DR1 off you if you would rather play those stages without the upgrades.
I think they've done it the wrong way. If they had remastered those 3 venues in the base game and held back, say Argentina or New Zealand for DLC I think it would have been received a lot better. Likewise, include the C4 and Focus in the base and cut the DS21 and C3 R5 for the DLC. Even though it's the same amount of content at the end of the day.
That's why I think it's actually friendly to make the upgraded stuff optional and it's cheaper if you only want the new bits. No-one is taking DR1 off you if you would rather play those stages without the upgrades.
If they released the base game with 3 rehashed locations and 3 new ones and added Argentina and NZ as paid DLC that would have created equally as much complaining if not more imo.
I understand that people have opinions about old(although reworked) stages as paid DLC. It's still optional and if you don't want to pay for these you don't have to.
I also understand people that think it's too light on content. In my opinion it's quality over quantity in this case though, even if I obviously would have wanted as many unique kilometers as possible.
