Disappointed in GT4?

[Gabkicks]

suspension seems strange also. the actuall camber doesnt seem to change change depending on load:tdown: , unlike lfs which even lets you see the suspension working. 👍 .

its still a very good game. Its just the bar has been raised very high and PD didnt deliver... Hopefully gt5 will get rid of obvious flaws. I still havent returned the game.. so that says something.

 

[LighthouseJ]

The only thing I was disappointed by in GT4 was the fact that there is no Audi S1 Sport quattro, they only have the original quattro. Why should it be in the game? Well the S1 has a time of 2.3s on the 0-60mph (0-100kph) from only a 2.134L I5 with a turbo. What's more amazing than the car is the fact it isn't in the game, to me at least.

 

[Delphic Reason]

The only thing I was disappointed by in GT4 was the fact that there is no Audi S1 Sport quattro, they only have the original quattro. Why should it be in the game? Well the S1 has a time of 2.3s on the 0-60mph (0-100kph) from only a 2.134L I5 with a turbo. What's more amazing than the car is the fact it isn't in the game, to me at least.

The Group B monster... I was expecting it to be in the game, but I was disappointed as well... I'm sure PD will include it in the next GT game...

 

[KaffeinE 86]

Quicker steering response would be nice. Countless are the times that I've been in a drift, has understeer kick in, and the wheels don't countersteer quick enough.

The physics are sort of hokey at times. I want to do donuts, dammit!

 

[niky]

Even a very simple change like applying it to BOTH the driver and the AI players equally would have prevented this nightmare. Yes, some people might have abused it, but now it is us that get abused by the AI.

May the designer of this flawed penalty system find his armpits infested by a thousand fleas. It's the least he deserves for ruining the wonderful rallies!!!

My sentiments exactly.... I love doing rallies with underpowered cars, but with the stupid system, it's just not possible in some instances.

Still, all in all, I love the game... After figuring out how to get around some of GT4's physics flaws, it is quite enjoyable...

👍

suspension seems strange also. the actuall camber doesnt seem to change change depending on load:tdown: , unlike lfs which even lets you see the suspension working. 👍 .

its still a very good game. Its just the bar has been raised very high and PD didnt deliver... Hopefully gt5 will get rid of obvious flaws. I still havent returned the game.. so that says something.

That's the primary reason so many people seem disappointed, I guess... the bar has been raised much higher since GT3, and GT4 may be great, but not good enough for everyone... I think if the dynamic camber problem is addressed, many of the other physics flaws will start to solve themselves... or we would be arguing over GT5's unrealistic physics, where people would be tuning their springs very very soft to achieve cambers of 12 degrees plus in corners... and going twice as fast as possible in real life instead of 10-20 km/h more...

 

[FastEddie12]

I'd love to see a RWD rally championship, and more RWD rally cars: Vauxhall Chevette 2300 HS, Rothmans Escort, TR7 V8, Talbot Sunbeam Lotus, Opel Manta 400

They would be mega!

I recently spent my time throwing as many vaguely rally related rwd cars round Tahiti Maze, starting with what I thought was the slowest (Nissan Bluebird rally car), saving each ghost and then trying to beat it. That was hours (all right days) of fun. Try keeping the Renault Alpine A110 with 290bhp on the racing line and see where it gets you. Trouble is I'm lazy: I want them to set up a championship like that for me.

Lancia Rally was definitely the fastest. Dodge charger (orange, as entered by B & L Duke) put in a respectable showing.

 

[ving]

rwd rallying... gunna have to try that
sounds like fun!

 

[FastEddie12]

rwd rallying... gunna have to try that
sounds like fun!

Oh, it is. on GT2 I used to try to win rallises (oops, hullo gollum) with a full race RWD Corolla (260bhp springs to mind). Raise ride height, soften springs, lower gearing, GO.

Try these: Nissan Bluebird Rally '69 (Ooh, look, I haven't tuned that, it's still got 131 bhp! So much to do, so little time...) Mitsubishi Lancer Rally '74, Nissan Silvia 240 RS '83 (rare used car worth finding), Renault 5 Turbo especially the Mad Maxi, Ruf BTR, Alpine A110, Lancia Stratos (even the standard one punches way above its weight), and Mitsubishi Lancer EX1800 GSR '83. All have a rallying history.

Did they rally the Nissan 240Z?

Not that I'm obsessed or anything. I can give up any time I like. I gave up smoking didn't I? Granted it took 3 weeks in hospital with a broken leg (oooh, those motorbikes, they're sooo dangerous! How much? You could buy a nice little car for that... etc), and a year of being broke but I gave up.

We're getting a bit off piste here. Would someone like to start a thread on this? I'm not allowed.

 

[FooAtari]

From reading this thread it appars to me that GT4 is far more flawed that it should have been. It a great game, but a great games with fundamental flaws is demoted to a good game in my book. Glitches and niggles can be ignored, but their are so many problems like:

dodgy oversteer/understeer physics
A.I. Which is detremental to gameplay
Poor game structure in general
That penaty system...

And their really is no excuse for these problems on this generations hardware.

I can forgive the lack of damage at a push, but no online play was a big omission as well for me.

You will always be able to please the fanboys, for some odd reason they are happy to fork out for the same game over and over again.

I think thats the problem most people have. I only paid £15 for GT4 and wouldnt have paid full price for it.

I think GT4 is the best GT in the series but that doesnt mean its good enough, and Im expecting a lot more from GT5. If its not up to scratch at the very least the reviews will reflect it, as complaints were starting to sneak into reviews this time around.

Sequals need to expand and improve on the previous games, and on more powerful hardware their is no excuse for GT5 not to be a significant improvement over GT4...

I think that sums my feelings up, thats better

 

[Scaff]

Did they rally the Nissan 240Z?

They did indeed rally the Datsun/Nissan 240Z, it won the 1971 East African Safari rally.

I have a wonderful 1:18 scale model of the car

The 240Z is one that I have used in rallies in GT4, along with a lot of the other older RWD cars.

Regards

Scaff

 

[MaskedAveng3r]

I gotta admit when I first played the Bathrust RX7 in arcade mode with the DFP I was mad. Something just didn't feel right with the steering and how you can floor it and not break the rear loose. Then I played in simulation, turned off the aids and wow! I dont know about other aspects of the game, but i just cant get over the DFP and its 900 degrees of steering + throttle control. Maybe there are some things PD definitely need to work on, but its not enough for me to say I'm disappointed with gt4. 👍 👍

 

[FastEddie12]

They did indeed rally the Datsun/Nissan 240Z, it won the 1971 East African Safari rally.

Regards

Scaff

Oh you beauty!

Ta

Edit: PS How could I forget Toot Sweet, the BMW 2002 Turbo?

 

[FoolKiller]

To see what I mean, try those 2 tracks on hard, with a mildly underpowered car.

I did and it took a lot of work and blocking to get past them. Knowing how the AI works when I see them rubbing up my side trying to get into teh racing line that I am in I know he is going to slide in front of me and I slow it down to avoid the situation. I may lose the lead but not by the 5 second penalty. It is rare that I ever get the penalty from hitting the other car now. I like doing the special conditions because it adds an extra challenge.

For everyone who complains about the lack of oversteer and too much understeer, what kind of tires are you on and what settiongs are your driving aids on? I have no clue how any car handles with racing tires and overpowerd TCS and ASM but I do know how a car handles with economy tires and no TCS or ASM and the game seems extremely close to me. Of course that is driving at normal speeds and not the 100-200 mph I drive in the game. And if you are using a DS2 remember your buttons are analog and just pushing gas is not how you drive in real life either. So many people have trouble with this but gradually pushing on the gas is how you leave a street light, not slamming it all the way down. The same goes for brakes. If you mash on your brakes and then try turning you will understeer in real life.

 

[bbissell05]

I must say that if I could spend day and night playing this game, I STILL wouln't be happy. I am an absolute car NUT and this game is the closest I can come to owning all the cars I have ever wanted. I just wish there was a 1991 Nissan 240SX like my acr or an option to paint the cars you have and the rims. I like things about GT3 that they did away with but I like the things they added just as much... If they were just going to recreate GT3 there wouldn't be much point. I for one can't leave the photo shop alone. I must have 30 pics saved. Long live GT4 and I can't wait for GT5... maybe for the PS3????

As for the portable GT4... I'll be the first in line.

 

[ving]

happy happy joy joy!

 

[Sum1s2pid]

nice--sweet model of the 240Z...

as for me, they pros far out-weighed the cons... the game did enough right for me to overlook its relatively minor flaws...

all of them but one grating flaw... that damn flicker just before a race... i understand that this game pushes the fairly limited hardware to near its full potential, but je-e-e-ez... give me an epileptic seizure why don't you...

 

[s12ken]

hm... this and millions of other things are wrong with GTxx. I never get tired of hearing this over and over and over again... Do people in this world realize NOTHING is perfect? Sure a number of things could be fixed, and added, this is a neverending cycle, party a comes out with something they say is cool and then party be starts nitpicking and destroying said thing, then party c and so forth starts joining in the bandwagon and nitpicks at party a's hard earned work and so on and so forth. For once... just for ONCE I'd like to see one critic go and try to make his own game and submit it for scrutiny and have it picked apart by people who have half a mind to think they can do better. You see I know this will never end because that's human nature for you and cr100.00 says that someone is going to critiqur GT5 and find something wrong with it.

 

[zPhoenix]

Yes, s12ken, it is human nature to critique, but this is GT Planet, not GameFAQs. People here are more mature and restrain themselves from just ranting and when they post critique they don't do it just for whining, they do it because if you just turn a blind eye to even minor problems, the problems will never be fixed.

I am a software developer (no, not at PD), and I can assure you... "we can't see the forest from the trees". If people don't point out the stupid mistakes we make, we'd never notice and fix them.

 

[Scaff]

nice--sweet model of the 240Z...

as for me, they pros far out-weighed the cons... the game did enough right for me to overlook its relatively minor flaws...

all of them but one grating flaw... that damn flicker just before a race... i understand that this game pushes the fairly limited hardware to near its full potential, but je-e-e-ez... give me an epileptic seizure why don't you...

Thanks, its my favorite 1:18 and very well detailed (down to having the HT leads and throttle cable), well worth looking out for.

In regard to the flicker (and back on topic) as far as I am aware it only affects the NTSC versons of the game. My PAL (UK) copy is fine, no flicker at all.

Regards

Scaff

 

[FoolKiller]

In regard to the flicker (and back on topic) as far as I am aware it only affects the NTSC versons of the game. My PAL (UK) copy is fine, no flicker at all.

From my experience it doesn't do it on HD screens on the NTSC version either. Every screen at PD was probably HD and they didn't see it. I'm so used to it at this point that I never even see it anymore.

 

[niky]

Yes, s12ken, it is human nature to critique, but this is GT Planet, not GameFAQs. People here are more mature and restrain themselves from just ranting and when they post critique they don't do it just for whining, they do it because if you just turn a blind eye to even minor problems, the problems will never be fixed.

I am a software developer (no, not at PD), and I can assure you... "we can't see the forest from the trees". If people don't point out the stupid mistakes we make, we'd never notice and fix them.

That's something... you can get so engrossed in getting one thing perfect, that you forget about just about everything else.

 

[FooAtari]

hm... this and millions of other things are wrong with GTxx. I never get tired of hearing this over and over and over again... Do people in this world realize NOTHING is perfect? Sure a number of things could be fixed, and added, this is a neverending cycle, party a comes out with something they say is cool and then party be starts nitpicking and destroying said thing, then party c and so forth starts joining in the bandwagon and nitpicks at party a's hard earned work and so on and so forth. For once... just for ONCE I'd like to see one critic go and try to make his own game and submit it for scrutiny and have it picked apart by people who have half a mind to think they can do better. You see I know this will never end because that's human nature for you and cr100.00 says that someone is going to critiqur GT5 and find something wrong with it.

Your right nothing is perfect. But some of the problems that annoy me in GT4 have been around since the first game. I dont mind little flaws and glitches, bit glaring ommissions annoy me im afraid :-)

And I, like most people here are not software developers, and dont make a living out if it so your right I couldnt do any better, but I'm not trying to sell my product...

 

[Woolie Wool]

Unfortunately, GT4 doesn't have the magic GT3 and GT2 had.

GT3's only magic was the novelty of the oooh-aaah graphics.

 

[niky]

Actually, GT3 fixed some of the flaws of GT2 in terms of physics (I called GT3 understeer city when I first played it... funny, I called GT4 the same thing for the first few days...), BUT dropped some of the good stuff.

You're right though, some things just shouldn't have persisted this long... I'll admit to that.

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

My only problem with GT4 is the really mixed quality of the cars. Some appear practically lifelike while others are blocky and horrible.

 

[MJBayUNL]

Hey I agree GT4 was dissapointing. For me on a different level I am one of those people who dream of absolute realism, when tires go red I think that they should pop, When your gas gauge is empty the car should not run. I really want damage but that is not really polyphony's fault because they just want the model to be perfect, boo PS2. But GT4 just isn't the game it was built up to be, really its
GT 3 & 5/6. Not quite the next iteration in the series that I was looking for. As far as car choices, I don't mind older cars, what I mind is forty thousand different versions of the honda civic(don't massacre me on the exageration it is an EXAGERATION and honda civic means everything that has fifty million variants and versions). I do wish that was a little more american car history in the form of 40's and 50's hot rods and ganster cars. But any way there is only so much a game developer can do on a system that blows like the PS2 and GT4 is still the best game on the market today. I say just play it and then next thing you know the next iteration will be out on PS3 and then we can all rejoice at the (Hopefully) best racing game ever conceived by man.

 

[ving]

Yes, s12ken, it is human nature to critique, but this is GT Planet, not GameFAQs. People here are more mature and restrain themselves from just ranting and when they post critique they don't do it just for whining, they do it because if you just turn a blind eye to even minor problems, the problems will never be fixed..

who are you trying to kid? appart from say 25% I'd say this group is the biggest pack of whingers i have ever seen!

or were you posting sarcasm and i didnt recognise it

 

[StevenDunn99]

dodgy oversteer/understeer physics
A.I. Which is detremental to gameplay
Poor game structure in general
That penalty system...

That sums it up nicely. We critique because we care, we want more from the series and I hope that PD listen to the customers and takes on board some of the things that need to be done.

While I feel that there are lots of minor problems that we can deal with PD needs to address the major ones; AI, AI, AI, but the thing is; it is frustrating to see something wrong that has been done well elsewhere. eg enduros with weather, night/day, wet weather racing, soft damage if hard damage is not allowed, the menu system eg why not buy tyres at the race track rather than countless menus, changing settings and saving in pit stops, and I could go on and on.

Overall GT4 IS a great game, the introduction of missions is brilliant. I have and continue to enjoy it. I accept (for now) that some things are not there because of balance of what you can get out of the PS2 even though I feel some things should have been dropped to allows others to be better.

Fortunately for us, the consumer, the PS3 will bring the power we need and I hope that GT5 will live up to expectations, but I also hope that other companies are going to start competing with the GT series and raise the overall bar. All those people who bought GT4 clearly love racing/driving games and a good game will be bought by many of them/us.


Steven

 

[zPhoenix]

dodgy oversteer/understeer physics
A.I. Which is detremental to gameplay
Poor game structure in general
That penalty system...

That sums it up nicely. We critique because we care, we want more from the series and I hope that PD listen to the customers and takes on board some of the things that need to be done.

While I feel that there are lots of minor problems that we can deal with PD needs to address the major ones; AI, AI, AI, but the thing is; it is frustrating to see something wrong that has been done well elsewhere. eg enduros with weather, night/day, wet weather racing, soft damage if hard damage is not allowed, the menu system eg why not buy tyres at the race track rather than countless menus, changing settings and saving in pit stops, and I could go on and on.

Overall GT4 IS a great game, the introduction of missions is brilliant. I have and continue to enjoy it. I accept (for now) that some things are not there because of balance of what you can get out of the PS2 even though I feel some things should have been dropped to allows others to be better.

Fortunately for us, the consumer, the PS3 will bring the power we need and I hope that GT5 will live up to expectations, but I also hope that other companies are going to start competing with the GT series and raise the overall bar. All those people who bought GT4 clearly love racing/driving games and a good game will be bought by many of them/us.


Steven

I couln't have said it better.

 

[zPhoenix]

who are you trying to kid? appart from say 25% I'd say this group is the biggest pack of whingers i have ever seen!

or were you posting sarcasm and i didnt recognise it

I really meant it. People in GT planet forums rock! 👍 My thanks to the moderators, yet again. 👍 👍 👍

I used to be a big user of GameFAQs and liked it, probably because I usally buy my games after they drop below $20 and by then all the idiots have moved on to bigger and better games. GT4 was the first PS/2 game that I bought early, primarily because I absolutely loved GT3. And it was then that I discovered the "dark side" of GameFAQs... it seemed that 50% of all perfectly good questions were being answered with an outright lie or with "suck less". I got frustrated and run away as fast as I could. I've been using GT Planet ever since.