Do PD and Kaz realise how many customers they are losing ?

[mr_serious]

If you have proof millions of others who bought the game that care about those issues then I would like to see that proof , because the only proof I see is 9,667 on the feedback that have issues with the game where the game sold a few million.

Oh you're right I forgot that every single GT5 owner has a GTP account and all of them provided feedback.

Just get on with your whinging guys while I sit back and watch.

I wish you would. You're not adding anything constructive just calling everyone else selfish ironically without even attempting to understand their point of view.

Enjoy your internet victory, I'm sure you are very proud of yourself.

 

[Camaroyenko]

I can't even play online because of all the disconnects! Annoying as h@ll!

 

[ucwepn]

I am a fanboy of GT5 its no secret although as of late i have found myself playing less and less mainly because the seasonal drifts are gone, but if the rumors of forza 4 having classic Aussie muscle cars is true then I will be buying a 360 lol. I still think ps3 has better quality of games overall though and can't think of anything else i would be keenly interested in on 360 perhaps NFS most wanted (the original) and toca race driver 3.

 

[trk29]

Here's a thought, how many GT5 players would still buy GT6 with the current state of GT5? This might sound to ridiculous, but I will probably still buy the next GT whenever that comes out despite with all the missing contents in GT5.

If I knew GT6 would be just like GT5, then I wouldn't buy it. It's no secret most are not happy with it and if that is most then that should say something. It's weird, when I bought GT5P I was happy with it. I loved it in fact because the last thing GT I played was on my PS2 and I don't usually knock the dust off and have a go anymore it's not practical.

And when we got the update for that it was awesome, besides the online matchmaking the game was solid. So after all years in the making which was GT5, we all were wanting more and were told we were getting more. GT5 does not have the wow factor that GT5P had for me.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

 

[stucar17]

mmmmmmm i was hoping that my opening comment wouldnt go down this path, but in hindsight was always going to, so apologies.

I think some of you have missed MY point, and that is that when we started with gt5 we all (well most of us) loved it, and i still do. Unfortunately though, alot of players have become stale with the limited online content and that is my concern. In the league that i race we started with 6 divisions, and over time with improvements through patches and additional content you would hope that the numbers would have grown. They havent, we look at the possibility of only having 2 divisions next season.

I know that games dont last forever, but the fact that a lot of online racers have left for other brands should, in my opinion, be a concern. Why? online racing should in theory be able to keep the racing fresh.

Most of us finished aspec in a few weeks, bspec even faster, so what is left....online.

My other point is the relative silence from PD and Kaz doesnt help keep players that are drifting from the racing leagues to something that they see as better.

Anyway, feel free to close the thread mods if people cant stay on topic, which in itself is a shame

 

[tazz6969]

If Gran Turismo 5, was NOT about racing against AL cars. Then why is there an arcade section, where one can race against 16 al cars. And all of them start from a grid position, not like in seasonal 'arcade' catch-the-rabbit races.

Arcade races can be some of the best racing in the game, shame there is no qualification or championships, or money for completing arcade.

 

[deep_sky]

I don't think Polyphony have lost any GT6 customers just yet; however, I do think those customers are waiting to see how GT6 turns out before they commit - I'm one, and I think there are plenty more.

GT6 simply needs to be more logical: none of those outdated design choices and ridiculous amount of menu prompts.

No more rehashing of the same tedious, tired, boring and broken game design. Improved customisation, tuning and modifcation options are needed as well

And that's it. It's not like GT is completely beyond repair. It could be easily repaired. The question is do Polyphony know how to fix it? I hope so. I enjoy GT, and want to continue playing the franchise for a long time, but I just can't support a franchise that is so wholly out of date and missing crucial and important features. Hopefully GT6 resolves all this.

 

[counter345]

I recall a huge rant thread already here containing your fellow toddler-wailers. No need for another thread.

Yes it is a fact. They are moving office and Fukishima is still spreading radiation. I stand what I said though and if it gets me banned then so be it. Also you cant be bothered quoting the sencond post because my posts are only insulting because you dont like to face the truth.

Calling people "selfish cry babies" is rude and ignorant, and simply your opinion. I thought this was a mature community! My 9 year old brother knows the difference between fact and opinion! Grow up!

 

[mr_serious]

I recall a huge rant thread already here containing your fellow toddler-wailers. No need for another thread.

No doubt full of the same empty, pointless responses such as yours.

Well done.

[Edit] Lol, what are you doing - you added content!! Now I look like a fool

 

[steve30x]

Calling people "selfish cry babies" is rude and ignorant, and simply your opinion

Well then I am rude and ignorant. So be it. At least I have more respect for Pd and not expecting them to work while they have bigger issues to think about.

My 9 year old brother knows the difference between fact and opinion! Grow up!

Really. So the fact that PD is moving their offices and Fukishima is still leaking radiation is'nt a fact then?

 

[counter345]

Well then I am rude and ignorant. So be it. At least I have more respect for Pd and not expecting them to work while they have bigger issues to think about.

Really. So the fact that PD is moving their offices and Fukishima is still leaking radiation is'nt a fact then?

I wasn't challenging the radiation part. That part is true. But calling people "cry babies" certainly isn't.

 

[Authentic718]

I no longer play it - I prefer S2U, F12010 even grid & dirt are more enjoyable.

Finally if you think GT is in anyway realistic you are fooling yourself.

So your saying one of the reasons you left is because of GT not being realistic? lol well those games you mentioned are no better...GT5=Most realistic physics on console.

 

[Spagetti69]

There still moving offices or has it been done? I don't know.

Anyway GT is a huge cash cow. It will sell no matter what.

Personally for me if GT isn't about racing but just driving I'll move on. Plenty of fish in the sea lol.

 

[Killer2142GT4]

Oh no lets sue them over that then. Honestly I dont care about all that. At the end of the day its the needs of yourselves you are thinking about there. Its only the minority of people care about this. If you have proof millions of others who bought the game that care about those issues then I would like to see that proof , because the only proof I see is 9,667 on the feedback that have issues with the game where the game sold a few million.

You want news about GT6 prologue. Well I wouldnt blame them if there isnt one , becvause GT5 got flamed for being a glorified demo and then there is the issue of people complaining that its taking so long etc.

Just get on with your whinging guys while I sit back and watch.

Wow, are you that ignorant? Seriously, do you still play GT5? Because if you would, you would care about this.

Why are you trying do defend this game with its flaws? This game is unfinished and if we dont criticise PD for making such a product, PD will make another unfinished game.

I seriously hope Sony will outsource the development of Gran Turismo to some US or EU developer. Imagine what game a western developer would make if they get the resources PD had.

 

[Killer2142GT4]

So your saying one of the reasons you left is because of GT not being realistic? lol well those games you mentioned are no better...GT5=Most realistic physics on console.

not a big achievment to be honest...

 

[mr_serious]

So your saying one of the reasons you left is because of GT not being realistic? lol well those games you mentioned are no better...GT5=Most realistic physics on console.

No as I said in several posts, I stopped playing GT5 because there is no racing in it. The AI is stupid and uncompetitive which is why the seasonal are always this 'catch the pigeon' format.

And there are many threads all over the internet which disprove your assertion that GT5 has the most realistic physics.

It doesn't model tyres in anything other than the most rudimentary fashion. Collisions and damage are also part of the real world and an integral part of racing yet GT5 has terrible damage modelling
etc...
etc...

but let's not turn this into yet another physics thread.

The only reason I complain about this is because I used to love the game, I want it to return to trying to simulate racing not dress up dolls and card collecting. They can add that sort of fluff, but it shouldn't be at the expense of a decent racing experience.

The one thing I can say about PD is at least they are continuing to support the game which is more than can be said for EA or Codemasters

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

Gaming has changed dramatically since GT1 (and even GT4) and PD hasn't really done much to keep up with it but still manages to be successful because they've focused on other things like realism, mind blowing graphics, and liscenses to 600 or 800 cars and 20 different tracks. Gran Turismo has always been a very simple, stripped down game but extremely deep in all the right areas and for a long time this formula has bested titles like NFS, Test Drive, PGR, and Forza.

It wasn't until 2004/2005 when the market started straying closer to online gaming that PD tried something really new to keep up with the market. Online gameplay. But even that wasn't enough because due to how popular the series has been Sony intended to use it to push every imaginable add-on for the PS3 and even other new technologies like 3D TV. Not only did PD have to include all this extra bulk in their game, but they had to completely rebuild it from scratch.

It must've been hell for Kaz and his team and Kaz has often stated that the project was too big even for him. So I don't blame PD for "cutting corners" when really this their first major attempt to do something so competitive and being under so much pressure. And as far as I'm concerned, they did a good job with that. Very impressive that GT5 remains the #1 best selling PS3 game to date when other companies that have at least a good 3-4 years in making online games are on that list too. 👍

Their focused on GT6 for right now and it wouldn't suprise me if it were going to be for the PS3 - the last great title of the PS3's run. All the ground work has been laid out thanks to their work on GT5 and all they need to do now is refine the game, add cars and tracks, come up with a DLC plan to carry the game until GT7 for PS4. I give GT6 a couple more years of development. I don't think it would be unrealistic to see it on shelves in late 2013 at all.

 

[godlameroso]

GT's handling is simply based on heuristics, not a mathematical system designed to give a constistent interaction with it's virtual environment.

All so called "mathematical systems" are no better, did you work on the tire model for GT5, or have you seen the source code? Have you done so for other so called "sims"? The gMotor2 engine uses pre-determined tables for it's tires, even iRacing's tire model isn't very realistic. You can look at all these so called "sims", and say yea it's difficult to put together a fast lap, that must mean it's more realistic, but that's a bunch of crap.

I've driven an E92 M3 on a track day, I think they got that car pretty much spot on(at least stock). I've also driven a Civic Type R, and it's pretty much spot on in the game. Even the Ferrari f430 stock is spot on.

IMO, the GT series has never been about racing. GT doesn't call itself a real racing simulator, it's a driving game. It's about driving, some people can only drive flat out, most people can't drive at all, and this is reflected in the game. Then again some people just drive for driving's sake, maybe to go fast, or just to enjoy their car, these are the people the game was catered for. Just because there are race cars, and people are naturally competitive and want to race doesn't change the fact that first and foremost this is a driving simulation.

 

[phil_75]

Dont they have better things to think about right now anyway. How about them moving offices or Fukishima that is still leaking radiation. Jesus some of you are selfish cry babies that only care about your own needs and not the needs of others. Get over yourselves.

The game is a half finished mess with some very dodgy features added and removed.

Online has got worse with each patch!

The earthquake happened after the game went gold so the excuse for the ~5 years is.........?

Deathsarthe:
It wasn't until 2004/2005 when the market started straying closer to online gaming that PD tried something reallynew to keep up with the market. Online gameplay. But even that wasn't enough because due to how popular the series has been Sony intended to use it to push every imaginable add-on for the PS3 and even other new technologies like 3D TV. Not only did PD have to include all this extra bulk in their game, but they had to completely rebuild it from scratch.

Killzone 3 & Uncharted 3 say hello after 2 years!

 

[jbnd05]

I keep seeing this argument that GT is not about racing and to my mind, it's ridiculous. Other games are providing challenging AI, attractive environments and well-resolved online offerings. GT can no longer simply hide behind a long car list, and the attitude that this is acceptable simply because 'it's GT' helps no-one. As customers, we've paid for the game, and are therefore entitled to certain expectations. If we shy away from constructive criticism, then we're asking for more of the same.

 

[mr_serious]

All so called "mathematical systems" are no better, did you work on the tire model for GT5, or have you seen the source code? Have you done so for other so called "sims"?

No I haven't but I have been a senior software engineer for 15 years writing modelling software and optimisers for the chemical, petro-chemical and mobile phone industries.

My point was that rather than develop an encompassing physics model they use unrelated ad-hoc calculations for 'modelling' different elements of the game. Which is why some parts feel fantastic and others completely unrealistic. Such as the difficulty in rolling a car for instance. In reality this is a result of the complex interaction of the suspension, weight transfer, momentum tyres and the ground surface. A proper pyhsics model would not have separate values deciding whether the car should roll or not, it would be a consequence of the parts of the model interacting in a consistent way.

Hence my point about the heuristics.

Some other games do actually model this kind of interaction.

Anyhow that's not my complaint with the game it was simply a response to people blindly repeating a mantra that is clearly false.

IMO, the GT series has never been about racing. GT doesn't call itself a real racing simulator, it's a driving game. It's about driving, some people can only drive flat out, most people can't drive at all, and this is reflected in the game. Then again some people just drive for driving's sake, maybe to go fast, or just to enjoy their car, these are the people the game was catered for. Just because there are race cars, and people are naturally competitive and want to race doesn't change the fact that first and foremost this is a driving simulation.

Then they should have left out the actual racing and called it track day simulator or something. If you are going to put racing against the AI in the game and prizes for winning, then you should at least make an effort to make the AI something worth racing against.

From the GT5 box....
"Enjoy the drive of your life as the world famous driving simulator returns to redefine the racing Genre. Take your place in the racing community, challenge others and settle scores out on the track"

and there's more...

"Race over 1000 cars in over 20 locations"
"Enhanced A-spec and B-spec modes - become a racing driver or be the boss of your own team"

You might not consider it to be a racing game, but that is what PD sold it as, and why I feel cheated.

 

[deep_sky]

I keep seeing this argument that GT is not about racing and to my mind, it's ridiculous.

It's totally ridiculous; the argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Now, some people may not play GT as a racing game, and instead be content doing time trials with their favourite car, but that just doesn't change that GT is racing game, pure and simple.

Saying GT isn't about racing is like saying FIFA isn't about football.

 

[godlameroso]

No I haven't but I have been a senior software engineer for 15 years writing modelling software and optimisers for the chemical, petro-chemical and mobile phone industries.

My point was that rather than develop an encompassing physics model they use unrelated ad-hoc calculations for 'modelling' different elements of the game. Which is why some parts feel fantastic and others completely unrealistic. Such as the difficulty in rolling a car for instance. In reality this is a result of the complex interaction of the suspension, weight transfer, momentum tyres and the ground surface. A proper pyhsics model would not have separate values deciding whether the car should roll or not, it would be a consequence of the parts of the model interacting in a consistent way.

Hence my point about the heuristics.

Some other games do actually model this kind of interaction.

Anyhow that's not my complaint with the game it was simply a response to people blindly repeating a mantra that is clearly false.



Then they should have left out the actual racing and called it track day simulator or something. If you are going to put racing against the AI in the game and prizes for winning, then you should at least make an effort to make the AI something worth racing against.

From the GT5 box....
"Enjoy the drive of your life as the world famous driving simulator returns to redefine the racing Genre. Take your place in the racing community, challenge others and settle scores out on the track"

and there's more...

"Race over 1000 cars in over 20 locations"
"Enhanced A-spec and B-spec modes - become a racing driver or be the boss of your own team"

You might not consider it to be a racing game, but that is what PD sold it as, and why I feel cheated.

Then why on the box of the game, and on the title does it say "The Real Driving Simulator", and not something like Race simulator, or 100% authentic racing game, or something along those lines?

 

[godlameroso]

It's totally ridiculous; the argument doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Now, some people may not play GT as a racing game, and instead be content doing time trials with their favourite car, but that just doesn't change that GT is racing game, pure and simple.

Saying GT isn't about racing is like saying FIFA isn't about football.

GT is not a racing game, it says on the freaking title, "The Real Driving Simulator" just because the game doesn't live up to YOUR expectations of it being a racing game, doesn't mean much, especially as the game proclaims to be a driving simulator and not a racing one. If you want racing games, get F-Zero, that's a good racing game, if you want a racing simulation, there's better. But as far as just driving cars, this is as good as it gets.

 

[mr_serious]

GT is not a racing game, it says on the freaking title, "The Real Driving Simulator" just because the game doesn't live up to YOUR expectations of it being a racing game, doesn't mean much, especially as the game proclaims to be a driving simulator and not a racing one. If you want racing games, get F-Zero, that's a good racing game, if you want a racing simulation, there's better. But as far as just driving cars, this is as good as it gets.

"The real Driving Simulator" is a subtitle. It wouldn't surprise me if one of their lawyers thought they might get sued if they called it a racing simulator .

The point is they attempted to put racing events in it.
They give prizes for winning those races.
In fact it is impossible to progress in the game at all without doing any races

If you turn it on and just continuously lap in practice mode it doesn't matter how long you do it for you can't buy any other cars.

You cannot do ANYTHING in the game without RACING

Why don't you try again on a new profile and see how much fun it is without entering any races?

Can you answer these points?


Then why does it keep repeating the points about racing on the back of the box?

 

[steve30x]

Wow, are you that ignorant? Seriously, do you still play GT5? Because if you would, you would care about this.

Yes I am rude and ignorant because I am fedup of all this whinging and yes I do still play GT5 and I have no problems with the missing features and little flaws it has. I still love playing GT5 as much as the day I bought the game.

 

[Authentic718]

not a big achievment to be honest...

How's that not a big achievement? I suppose other racing games that allow you to rice out your car is? Please.

 

[Authentic718]

No as I said in several posts, I stopped playing GT5 because there is no racing in it. The AI is stupid and uncompetitive which is why the seasonal are always this 'catch the pigeon' format.

And there are many threads all over the internet which disprove your assertion that GT5 has the most realistic physics.

It doesn't model tyres in anything other than the most rudimentary fashion. Collisions and damage are also part of the real world and an integral part of racing yet GT5 has terrible damage modelling
etc...
etc...

but let's not turn this into yet another physics thread.

The only reason I complain about this is because I used to love the game, I want it to return to trying to simulate racing not dress up dolls and card collecting. They can add that sort of fluff, but it shouldn't be at the expense of a decent racing experience.

The one thing I can say about PD is at least they are continuing to support the game which is more than can be said for EA or Codemasters

Dude if your looking for competition aspec is the wrong place, GO ONLINE!

 

[godlameroso]

"The real Driving Simulator" is a subtitle. It wouldn't surprise me if one of their lawyers thought they might get sued if they called it a racing simulator .

The point is they attempted to put racing events in it.
They give prizes for winning those races.
In fact it is impossible to progress in the game at all without doing any races

If you turn it on and just continuously lap in practice mode it doesn't matter how long you do it for you can't buy any other cars.

You cannot do ANYTHING in the game without RACING

Why don't you try again on a new profile and see how much fun it is without entering any races?

Can you answer these points?


Then why does it keep repeating the points about racing on the back of the box?

That is why they have the options of making the races incredibly easy, for people who don't want to, or can't race. I for one like to challenge myself, I can't speak for others.

 

[STINGer71]

Yeah stinger all our guys have been talking about the updates but unfortunately it may be too little too late. Also given this info is drip fed to us with no real time lines its understandable that guys get frustrated and get their online racing through other means.

i know that 6 division 1 drivers have dropped out and are now racing another brand.......real shame, i just hope that these upgrades get some of them back

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt5-update-coming-august-29th-features-content-to-follow/