Do PD and Kaz realise how many customers they are losing ?

[shirakawaa]

Is a tuneable ECU too far beyond imagination

Also, more in general, a more complete/deep engine tuning system that the more extreme it gets, the more it changes the engine's character (for example by raising noticeably the useful rpm band, making the torque curve peaky with significant loss of low-end torque, rendering the idle wild, etc). This was properly done in GT1 where to some extent one could customize the engine behavior with it. In GT5 (but in reality, since GT3) torque/power curves essentially always retain the same shapes as stock (unless after fitting a turbocharger) and remain perfectly drivable. There are none of the drawbacks that exist in RL. It's too much simplistic, and unrealistic too (among other things, specific torque often gets too high on naturally aspirated engines after "maxing them out" in GT5).

 

[deep_sky]

As much as I grump at Forza - or did anyway, only poke jabs at it here and there anymore, both FM and Shift have gone a long way towards giving you the ability to create your own darn race car. Not someone else's but yours, with your own livery design and decals, your name and your nations flag next to your name. Your own racer, unlike any other, like real life race car drivers have. This is something I really miss in GT5.

Seriously.

It boggles my mind that some people are so implacably opposed to some form of livery editor in GT. And to be honest, it's an area where PD could trump Forza, by including a livery editor that's easier to use and less cumbersome. At least Kaz has acknowleged a livery editor, so hopefully it turns up in GT6.

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

PD hasn't need to update anything because their formula has worked from GT1-GT4... it wasn't until GT5 and GT5 that it seemed out-dated because of how fast other companies in the market have moved forward and cracked wide open lots of tuning options.

Remember, PD has never really emphasized tuning like other games have. They blow it wide open for customization - custom gears, custom areo input, custom suspension... but really their bread butter has always been physics and graphics. This is why GT4 still looks better than 99% of all the racing games made to this day for an entirely different generation of console - with still better physics.

Games today have evolved quickly with a major emphasis on Online features and Online games are probably the most difficult to develop. Look at World of Warcraft - after some 7 years of gameplay they're still tweaking, moving things around, balancing classes, fighting exploitations, and so on... and I'm sure it is far more difficult to model cars today at the level we all expect from a PD game than it was back in the PS2 era. Kaz admitted this himself. GT5 is the most competitive sequel in the franchise. I'm sure it was overall too much for Kaz and his small team to handle - which is why they've taken on new hires and are moving/spreading operations in Japan. They probably learned a lot about what gamers expect in this day and age - and I gaurantee GT6 will be the juggernaut title for this generation. GT5 was just too much too soon for PD, and I'm sure Sony did very little to releave the pressure they were under.

Lots of firsts for the franchise in GT5, so I don't blame them for a mediorce release. The game still has the spirit of past franchises and continues to be the most entertaining game in my PS3 collection. I can't say it wasn't worth the money because while I agree it has its flaws and it far too pretentious, I still put more hours playing it than I do watching TV or surfing internet... it's still a lot of fun.

 

[klassykid9801]

Really i dont think gt5 is that bad you guys are all just whining because oh i didnt get this and oh i didnt get that. Its pathetic

 

[trk29]

If more people could actually have a conversation without calling people whiners and cry babies it would be alot more civilized in here.

I have never heard GT not being a racing game until this thread was started, what the hell are the prizes for then, they don't reward you for driving clean or dirty so what is the incentive? Ask yourself that. I mean really quit pulling straws.

This game is good but it has it's flaws. And inults will not make your point more valid. In only makes you look worse and it will be great to have you type of people out of here that can't hold dialogue.

And by the way they are not moving everybody because of a radiation leak. So thats the last time you can make that excuse.

 

[klassykid9801]

Whining is not an insult its an action that people are making

 

[trk29]

Whining is not an insult its an action that people are making

Excuse me? Calling people whiners and crybabies is an insult and shows that most are little kids hunting for pictures to put in a thread.

And I didn't quote you because you didn't call anyone a crybaby. You just said "whining" completley different word and how it was used. So thanks for the english lesson.

Not directed at klassykid9801

If people are saying that the game has no bugs or shortcomings and it is the best thing since sliced bread sorry but in my opinion you are blind.

If you acknowledge that some things are not great or was done poorly or improperly then you have no right telling people what they want or was told they would have to be wrong. Especially with insults. It seems when someone puts in their 2 cents about what the game is lacking all some people know how to do is try to tear them down.

 

[klassykid9801]

Excuse me but i do not need you to tell me what a whiner is and i do believe you are the one not being civilized. And im proving a point your whining because gt5 isnt good enough for you and if you absolutely hate it so much then get rid of it and stop complaining

 

[trk29]

^You tried to give me the defintion of whining so what did I do different than what you did? Your hilarious.

You also completley missed the point of my post.


I am being civlized I didn't call you any names and was not insulting to you or anyone else. And I was not insinuating that you were a whiner unlike what you did.

Here comes the kid in you. I never said I hated the game. I play it almost daily.

 

[klassykid9801]

I never called anyone in specific a whiner i do believe as far as you know i was talking to santa

 

[trk29]

I never called anyone in specific a whiner i do believe as far as you know i was talking to santa

No, I believe you were talking to me.

Excuse me but i do not need you to tell me what a whiner is and i do believe you are the one not being civilized. And im proving a point your whining because gt5 isnt good enough for you and if you absolutely hate it so much then get rid of it and stop complaining

Care to retort?

 

[Tapey]

I was actually really impressed with how much of a leap GT5 was over GT4 (and in many respects, the competition as well). Features such as dynamic time of day, dynamic weather and a track generator are quite frankly awesome. It's one thing that really excites me about the future of this franchise really, is what improvements they make to the course generator and add weather/time of day to other tracks.

Granted, a few things disappointed me with GT5, and I think everyone has complaints right? But when you stop and think about just how far they've come, and all the improvements they've made, it's just mind boggling really. They certainly haven't wasted their time

 

[Authentic718]

lol at everyone that says GT is broken and then switches to NFS, yeah like I'm going to trade a plethora of cars, better graphics, and an insanely good physics model for being able to put more spoilers and bodykits on my rice machine. Not saying shift 2 is a bad game, but to say GT5 is broken and a "ripoff" is just nonsense. Yeah sure GT definitely needs improvement in some areas, but it's nothing crazy that would make me say "ugh I'm done with GT, I'm a nfs fan now" because I guarantee you that nfs as a franchise is far more depressing, they can care less about their fans and will sell you dlc for things that were already supposed to be in the game at launch, and they will do it every year.

 

[klassykid9801]

No, I believe you were talking to me.

Care to retort?

Well considering i was the one that said it i think i would know who i was talking to mr smart guy

 

[sumbrownkid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzjkBwZtxp4

Hope that robot soothes any anger/sadness any poster felt after buying GT5.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Really i dont think gt5 is that bad you guys are all just whining because oh i didnt get this and oh i didnt get that. Its pathetic

So when a game doesn't allow you to tune your car tranny wise and you need to wait for a patch, but all four games before it didn't need such at thing that is whinning? Seems to be bad craftsmenship fifth time around and that is just one example out of many. I understand what you mean on certain other parts but when the game isn't working correctly out of the box then I have an issue since I spent a good chunk of money on it.

 

[baly]

Are Pd actually losing customers, has this actually been quantified properly, hmmm.

Maybe I'm easily pleased but GT5 is a damn good game . Yes I'd love to see Brands Hatch in the game , yeh maybe too many variations of certain cars , some icons i see in my monthly copy of EVO are missing and sometimes the servers can be annoying.

BUT all these things pale into insignificance compared to the amazing, heartpounding, close and yet fun races you have.

IMO thats what i bought the game for and it delivers.

shoot me... for i am a noob, however i have been playing games since 1980 and i think we dont really appreciate the gem ( slightly slightly rough aound the edges) that we have.

 

[alucard0712]

To me GT5 is worst GT of all, BUT it has the biggest potential of all GT's. Look yourself:

- GT graphics engine is already done, PS3 is limiting PD here a lot.
- B-Spec is done, it's good, but can be better. They put it in GT5.
- On-line is done, it has flaws, but they testing it now in GT5.
- (basic) weather system is done, they put and testing it in GT5.
- Day/Night transition is basically done, they put it in GT5.
- (basic) visual damage system is done, they put it in GT5.
- Nascar,WRC are here, just not enough content. They also put them in GT5.
- We got awesome smoke system. State of art to me.
- PD is already make their team bigger so...

GT5 is simply a mix of all those very fresh ideas, and PD will improve all of them.

This leads to very exciting conclusion: GT6 will be awesome. They already done all of those things. The problem is how to mix them and about content (tracks, variations, etc). Also if it's for PS4 - I need to check out it in Virtual Reality with head movement in 3D...

What I'm trying to say that - GT5 is very unlucky game, released at very wrong time, with ambitions of GT6. And what we got is to me like "alpha-build" - just look at interface, and loading times - you understand what I'm talking about. And all those 6 years are wasted to build a SOLID foundation for future of GT.

So to me they not losing customers as they show us blowing mind GT6 on PS4. And we all buy it. Again!

 

[Spagetti69]

Sounds like your describing a beta version?

 

[alucard0712]

Sounds like your describing a beta version?

This how I feel about GT5. I don't know why people can't believe in it. GT5 is not all what they done, it's just a glimpse, which they are force to release. Kaz realizing it's dream not just releasing a game.

 

[steve30x]

Excuse me? Calling people whiners and crybabies is an insult and shows that most are little kids hunting for pictures to put in a thread.

And I didn't quote you because you didn't call anyone a crybaby. You just said "whining" completley different word and how it was used. So thanks for the english lesson.

Not directed at klassykid9801

If people are saying that the game has no bugs or shortcomings and it is the best thing since sliced bread sorry but in my opinion you are blind.

Excuse me? I am 38 years old thank you very much. Also I didnt say the game didnt have bugs or shortcomings. I said that those trivial little things you guys are whining about is just silly. (Now there I tried not to insult anybody) If anything you just insulted most people by calling them little kids.

 

[Spagetti69]

This how I fell about GT5. I don't know why people can't believe in it. GT5 is not all what they done, it's just a glimpse.

I see what your saying. Do you feel the PS4 factor might introduce new beta problems too?

 

[steve30x]

I see what your saying. Do you feel the PS4 factor might introduce new beta problems too?

A lot of people will be disapointed with Gran Turismo on the PS4 too. It will never be good enough for some people.

 

[Spagetti69]

A lot of people will be disapointed with Gran Turismo on the PS4 too. It will never be good enough for some people.

I have read a couple of your posts and your of the opinion that GT5 is a driving simulator and not for race enthusiasts.

Am I right?

 

[trk29]

Excuse me? I am 38 years old thank you very much. Also I didnt say the game didnt have bugs or shortcomings. I said that those trivial little things you guys are whining about is just silly. (Now there I tried not to insult anybody) If anything you just insulted most people by calling them little kids.

Yes hunting a picture of a crying baby to put it into a thread on a site that has nothing to do with said picture is childish. So stating your age doesn't really help your argument.

 

[steve30x]

I have read a couple of your posts and your of the opinion that GT5 is a driving simulator and not for race enthusiasts.

Am I right?

You must be looking at somebody elses posts because I never said that. I think GT5 is a game that can be enjoyed by everybody.

 

[Spagetti69]

You must be looking at somebody elses posts because I never said that. I think GT5 is a game that can be enjoyed by everybody.

My mistake sorry.

 

[vandaliser]

As long as PD produces Gems like these customers will keep coming back for more

 

[alucard0712]

I see what your saying. Do you feel the PS4 factor might introduce new beta problems too?

Maybe but I think what they already done is enough for some time. Weather, damage, day/night, AI need some improvement, and I believe they are working on them.
BTW, GT5 with photo-mode graphics, 300 cars + 25 tracks, 16-24 cars at once, 60fps FullHD 3D without frame-drops, shadow/reflection/pop-up problems and better on-line will be more than enough for PS4 launch title. I will be totally happy with that!

I have read a couple of your posts and your of the opinion that GT5 is a driving simulator and not for race enthusiasts.

Am I right?

To me it is for even guys who loves beauty and speed. I'm a musician for example - and I can enjoy menus and music, photo-mode, etc and be totally happy with just that. I can enjoy (sadly only in GT5P) how shadows and reflections are playing with car - if it's carbon-fiber you got very different results. I found myself driving on F40 (on HSR) for hour at 10 mph and just enjoy how it looks. As a "art-guy" I can definitely say that GT5 is for art-guys too! That excitement, that amount of cool details eats all my attention. No other racing game ever done this for me.

 

[Hypergolem]

Ah the modern times... You cannot please everybody. PD puts a new track in the game and you will find somebody who will say why not Brands Hatch. They put Brands Hatch and somebody would say where is SPA. PD puts Bspec, and somebody will say it is useless. They give you the best photo mode ever seen in a game and somebody says we need internal views. Somebody with bad internet connection blames that PD servers suck, somebody claims that the AI sucks... I think it is all about your f%#*ing egos here. Before the advent of internet and the forums we just enjoyed the games, or if the game sucked we put it away in forget about it. Now that everybody can share their thoughts we have to listen to the crybabies... Do you know what? Suck it! Losers!