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The previous posts are exactly why I have stayed away from this thread.
Do PD and Kaz realise how many customers they are losing ?
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bermudakid
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+1000 !
though I was the only one who though any Events on GT5 are just plain silly ( try to pass everyone from 30 seconds back in 3 laps. It really isnt a race, and the A.I. on Mario Kart 64 put up more of a fight for positions .
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1) You don't have to read it
2) Why does our disatisfaction upset you?
3) If you love the game so much you should be playing it, not reading our critiscisms
2) Why does our disatisfaction upset you?
3) If you love the game so much you should be playing it, not reading our critiscisms
vandaliser
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This topic has been discussed many times. True. And before people can ever finnish discussing it, the thread always seems to get closed because a bunch of people whinning that people are whinning, and people who for some reason can't avoid reading but act like they are forced to "listen" to it, always show up with aggressive and often immature posts clearly ment to do little more than try and start flame wars.
No, I don't expect the pattern to change, everyone to suddenly agree, or monkeys to fly out of my butt. Just like I don't expect people to actually stop discussing this anytime soon just because a few people can't go without attacking every post like this one with sarcasm, agression, and often just plain trolling.
Long story short, doesn't matter how sick any of us are of any given topic, others are going to discuss it anyway. Posting how sick a person is of hearring it, how other people whine too much, or anything else of the sorts only makes the thread that many posts longer. It doesn't make people stop discussing it however. If anything, it has the opposite effect.
No, I don't expect the pattern to change, everyone to suddenly agree, or monkeys to fly out of my butt. Just like I don't expect people to actually stop discussing this anytime soon just because a few people can't go without attacking every post like this one with sarcasm, agression, and often just plain trolling.
Long story short, doesn't matter how sick any of us are of any given topic, others are going to discuss it anyway. Posting how sick a person is of hearring it, how other people whine too much, or anything else of the sorts only makes the thread that many posts longer. It doesn't make people stop discussing it however. If anything, it has the opposite effect.
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To me GT5 is worst GT of all, BUT it has the biggest potential of all GT's. Look yourself:
- GT graphics engine is already done, PS3 is limiting PD here a lot.
- B-Spec is done, it's good, but can be better. They put it in GT5.
- On-line is done, it has flaws, but they testing it now in GT5.
- (basic) weather system is done, they put and testing it in GT5.
- Day/Night transition is basically done, they put it in GT5.
- (basic) visual damage system is done, they put it in GT5.
- Nascar,WRC are here, just not enough content. They also put them in GT5.
- We got awesome smoke system. State of art to me.
- PD is already make their team bigger so...
GT5 is simply a mix of all those very fresh ideas, and PD will improve all of them.
This leads to very exciting conclusion: GT6 will be awesome. They already done all of those things. The problem is how to mix them and about content (tracks, variations, etc). Also if it's for PS4 - I need to check out it in Virtual Reality with head movement in 3D...
What I'm trying to say that - GT5 is very unlucky game, released at very wrong time, with ambitions of GT6. And what we got is to me like "alpha-build" - just look at interface, and loading times - you understand what I'm talking about. And all those 6 years are wasted to build a SOLID foundation for future of GT.
So to me they not losing customers as they show us blowing mind GT6 on PS4. And we all buy it. Again!
Yeah GT5 is not polished. They need to have more tracks like el capita and NY, HK and actually redo these not just HD version. Redo all the older tracks and new tracks, have premium only and polish the game.
I think they will make another game on PS3 before moving to PS4. The premium can be used on PS4 and probably will support 32 cars with realistic weather effects.
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I have a subscription to iRacing, it's about to expire for a reason, the racing is good, but the physics aren't leaps and bounds beyond GT5. I've been playing rFactor, and other gMotor2 games (which is what they are...just games) now for the last 7 or so years, and somehow I keep coming back to GT...
Its a poor excuse blaming the hardware you knew you were limited to from day 1. I will myself make the game of life. A full 1 on 1 sim of life itself. However on this gen and the next you'll have to do with a sims 3 clone because of hardware restrictions..
B-spec would have made sence if the ai did.
etc etc etc ...
As I said from day 1, they released a beta and charged full retail for it and now they barely seem to be delivering there promised fixes. They exaggerate all the small fixes as if they are curing cancer. Face it they dont want to spend any budget on gt5, to me that's one of the only plausible explanations why updates are this slow. Hey the money is in the bank..
for example:
Create your own race.
What do you need for a basic implementation of this feature ?
A few selectable fonts for the title, some background images.
Or import your own image (might compromise there "all" rating if sharing is possible).
A menu to select the cars you want in the grid. Or country , make etc..
Select the track, set the nr of laps..
And a formula to generate the income you get in a-spec or b-spec based on pp , race distance etc..
After that you end up with a few tables of date wich you have to be able to save , load and share on your profile. But sharing is already implemented for tracks , cars etc..
The real reason things like that don't get implemented is because then they can no longer drip feed you seasonal events to keep you busy. And it would show just how little effort went into the current a-spec race campaign.
I think this is why so many people are frustrated with this game. It's far from whats advertised. Its full of potential ,it will never ever reach.
Yes , You cant please everyone but you shouldn't threat your customers like they are ****ing idiots. But apparently you can get away with this..
And its not just pd or gt5. It's gaming in general.. The closed systems consoles are are the ideal platform for exploiting customers with dlc like map packs ,skins and what not.. charge 1/5th of the retail price for something that has a week or less dev time at best..
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Almost a year after GT5 came out and people are still talking about it like it's the only game out there. If you're disappointed, stop playing and move on, if you're not, don't.
Also don't forget there's no such thing as bad publicity so if you really hate GT5 and PD, stop talking about how much you hate it!
Also don't forget there's no such thing as bad publicity so if you really hate GT5 and PD, stop talking about how much you hate it!
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Were are all these people saying they hate it in here? I'm not seeing them.
3/4 of the names I see in these threads are people that where amongst the greatest pre-release fans and defenders. They are not just going to just move on because they are still fans series as a whole. The fact that PD has demonstrated that they do pay attention to this site means series fans are going to discuss GT5 like this untill either enough has been addressed that these discussions fizzle out, or untill GT6. For the most part, people who hate this game HAVE moved on.
3/4 of the names I see in these threads are people that where amongst the greatest pre-release fans and defenders. They are not just going to just move on because they are still fans series as a whole. The fact that PD has demonstrated that they do pay attention to this site means series fans are going to discuss GT5 like this untill either enough has been addressed that these discussions fizzle out, or untill GT6. For the most part, people who hate this game HAVE moved on.
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I don't think GT 5 sucks, but some things do baffle me. Like why they left out older tracks that everyone loved. Why on earth is there a premium prius? I get that the GT series is also about driving weird/cool/concept cars, but not once in my life did I ever want to drive or be in or anywhere near a prius. Seems like a waste to me. I'm curious to see what they'll add to the game but it better be something huge. Forza 4 is coming up soon, and it looks pretty awesome. Granted I found GT always actually drove better, but Forza was far from arcadey. And now that they're going to have a racing wheel other than the **** one from Microsoft, I actually might take Forza more seriously. I played Forza 3 a lot, but I could never take seriously because of the lack of support for a decent wheel.
Anyway I do hope that they do something huge for GT5. Don't wait until GT6.
Anyway I do hope that they do something huge for GT5. Don't wait until GT6.
Hmm.. Well one year after release might be a good time to release a major update, and a bundled re-release. If they play it nice it should be free. More likely would be a compatibility upgrade and new content (cars , tracks) as pay for dlc, to counter second hand sales.
A short version of my previous rant would be. I think they are stalling, keeping us quiet with minimal effort updates. And I still feel cheated by the obvious lack of effort put into the release and patches. On a side note the not so competitive/odd cars are probably just the result of deals they made with the manufacturers. Thank marketing for that one.
A short version of my previous rant would be. I think they are stalling, keeping us quiet with minimal effort updates. And I still feel cheated by the obvious lack of effort put into the release and patches. On a side note the not so competitive/odd cars are probably just the result of deals they made with the manufacturers. Thank marketing for that one.
klassykid9801
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trk29
Even if kaz hears all of this complaining what makes you think he will give a care?
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Maybe they should just charge you money to play online, and they could use the money they get in subscriptions to constantly add new features and content. Oh yea, online is free, aside from purchasing the game, there is little cost involved.
To play iRacing, you gotta shell out a monthly subscription fee, plus you have to pay for each car, and track. Yet, somehow content continues to just trickle out, there are no regular updates, the cars and tracks they put out take forever. GT5 has tons more content. Besides, if they make GT5 just a constantly expanding universe then what would be the point of releasing and purchasing GT6? PD has to make money somehow, and since they don't do it from subscription fees, and DLC fees, they have to sell games.
I mean what do you think these programmers live off, props, complaints? Last time I checked that stuff don't pay the bills.
To play iRacing, you gotta shell out a monthly subscription fee, plus you have to pay for each car, and track. Yet, somehow content continues to just trickle out, there are no regular updates, the cars and tracks they put out take forever. GT5 has tons more content. Besides, if they make GT5 just a constantly expanding universe then what would be the point of releasing and purchasing GT6? PD has to make money somehow, and since they don't do it from subscription fees, and DLC fees, they have to sell games.
I mean what do you think these programmers live off, props, complaints? Last time I checked that stuff don't pay the bills.
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See > https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=128579&page=148
As for the title of this thread... OP, why is it important whether PD / KY realizes how many customers have been lost with each GT game? It isn't your problem.
There's plenty of reasons for a franchise's sales to drop / ramp up. Game franchises go from being "great" in one person's eyes to "taking a whole new direction" and instead being "great" in someone else's eyes with pretty much every revision.
In so far as sales are concerned it probably won't matter what PD adds to GT5 now. PS3 sales aren't likely to suddenly start hitting PS2 numbers each month and GT5 isn't suddenly going to sell as strong as GT3 each month.
What is PD supposed to do about this besides change? I think PD has been forced to change and is changing. That's not going to help GT5 sales in any significant way now. For those of you who have bought and kept the game, lets just hope you get to see the improvements you want to see.
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Consider yourself lucky that you've managed to keep a group together this long. My entire local virtual racing group gave up on the GT series because of GT5. We used to have a sweet setup in my basement with 6 chairs, 6 screens, 6 wheels, and 6 PS2s in LAN configuration. We had so many great LAN parties playing GT4 and maybe getting a wee bit tipsy. But of the entire group, I was the only one who jumped into the PS3. Everyone else stayed away due to price (in hindsight, they were much smarter than me. The PS3 only now came down to a price I consider "reasonable" for a console at $249).
Most of them were willing to make the investment and race together over the net, but wanted to wait and see how GT5 turned out. Once GT5 came out and we all tried it out a few times none of them decided to invest. The disappointment was absolutely palpable. There were just too many problems and way to little good stuff to satisfy any of them (me too really). The killer flaw for me (and some of the others) was when we discovered that online and offline physics were different. Inexcusable and utterly lame. For a couple of guys is was the list of premium cars which excluded so many unique and important vehicles in favor of way too many boring daily-drivers. For others it was the removal of so many wonderful tracks and the addition of so many so-so tracks. So it wasn't always the same issue, but in the end GT5 had issues significant enough to drive them away.
I still hold out some hope, but none of these guys will be back. Sony and PD lost 5 longtime fans there. (I think I hold out hope mostly because I already made the investment. Had I been smart and waited, I wouldn't have the PS3 or GT5 either. I mostly just use it to play Netflix and GT4 anyway...
Most of them were willing to make the investment and race together over the net, but wanted to wait and see how GT5 turned out. Once GT5 came out and we all tried it out a few times none of them decided to invest. The disappointment was absolutely palpable. There were just too many problems and way to little good stuff to satisfy any of them (me too really). The killer flaw for me (and some of the others) was when we discovered that online and offline physics were different. Inexcusable and utterly lame. For a couple of guys is was the list of premium cars which excluded so many unique and important vehicles in favor of way too many boring daily-drivers. For others it was the removal of so many wonderful tracks and the addition of so many so-so tracks. So it wasn't always the same issue, but in the end GT5 had issues significant enough to drive them away.
I still hold out some hope, but none of these guys will be back. Sony and PD lost 5 longtime fans there. (I think I hold out hope mostly because I already made the investment. Had I been smart and waited, I wouldn't have the PS3 or GT5 either. I mostly just use it to play Netflix and GT4 anyway...
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Well, I have to plead "partial point" to my post.
I don't like the overall directions those games took either. Sort of. Shift sort of sounds like Forza 1 in a sense. And the three Forzas each had quite a variation on the formula. I don't really like them as much as I like Gran Turismo in the way the game grows with your progress. Then again, I don't really like the way GT5 progresses either. I wanted GT5 to have a much polished version of GT4's GT Mode, and then a Season and Career Mode on top of that. Maybe for GT6.
But what I like about Forza and Shift is how it gives you the tools to create race cars for yourself that can be totally unique without too much effort. Race Mod in GT5 is kind of lame because the only option you have is to pick a color, and apply it to one of 17 cars. Everything else is the same for everyone. You don't even get the option to stick a driver name on the car. The personalization and creativity offered you in Forza with its Livery Editor and Body Modifications is a model that I hope Kazunori sees the value in, because it's the one thing to me that makes Forza cool. Take that away, and to me, Forza is just a GT wannabe.
Add it to Gran Turismo, and I'd never touch another racer.
I disagree with your assessment of GT5, that's why. Criticism is one thing. Criticism leads to an understanding of what can be changed or improved. Also, an awareness of what's right. Your post above is really nothing but badmouthing, and has no value, since hardly anyone agrees that GT5 is a worthless game which should be ignored. Criticism has value and is worth the time to read, if it's right. Blanket empty emo trash talking isn't worth squat.
I've been doing a lot of writing and spending time with friends over the past several weeks, so it's been a while since I've been able to race. I fired up GT5 yesterday, and had two days of sheer fun just setting up single races in Arcade Mode.
Same here. GTR and Live For Speed just aren't that much better. What's more, they have a handful of cars - LFS literally, tracks too, assuming you paid for all the content. While I was waiting for GT5, I'd fire up GT4 because of the crazy variety of cars and tracks it has, and race in Prologue for a dessert because of the greatly improved physics. My Forzas and PC sims are untouched for almost a year now.
As those above me have said, GT5 has a bunch of crazy flaws and gameplay issues that make no sense in a racing game contect. Especially for a Gran Turismo game. Heck, I've said this in the early days too over a number of posts. But after three months, I think the points have been pounded into the ground, and there's not much point to hammering on them anymore.
It's possible that Kaz has been so forward thinking that GT5 has been built in a modular way so that a good hunk of the core code can be replaced in a massive patch, making GT5.2 a much different game. I wouldn't count on that, though. I'd suggest if you want huge changes, wait two or three years for GT6, and either find the good things in GT5 to enjoy or trundle along to another game which will feed your racing lust.
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I'm really tired of complaining. I hope Kaz knows that there is a peoples who admired all their hard work, even if there is a faults. GT5 is a massive game.
klassykid9801
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Thats what i was trying to say but people went off at me
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I didn't read through all the posts and I'm sure somebody must have pointed this out.. but I don't see how PD is "losing customers".
After someone has initially purchased the game, PD has made their money with them. It doesn't matter if they stop playing because of game issues... they already bought and paid for the game.
After someone has initially purchased the game, PD has made their money with them. It doesn't matter if they stop playing because of game issues... they already bought and paid for the game.
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Are you whining?
If you would have said it like he did above you then people wouldn't have went off on you which nobody really did. Calling people whiners is not the right way boo hoo, try to make yourself look like the little kid that got picked on in the school yard.
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klassykid9801
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trk29
Yea im whining, not. im telling you what i was trying to say. You were just reading it as whining like the shool yard bully. Yea i can go that way too mr. Tough guy
