Do you believe in God?

[DCP]

Zach 14:12
"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

You know the bible predicted advance technology as well?

 

[Liquid]

Even if the Bible prophecised the next winner of the Best Director Academy Award, it being written down in a book is indicative of nothing.

It is speculation, not evidence.

 

[DQuaN]

Zach 14:12
"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

You know the bible predicted advance technology as well?

You keep making all these claims but are not able to prove anything. Is the above supposed to be describing nuclear weapons? Because it isn't.

 

[Famine]

Zach 14:12
"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

You know the bible predicted advance technology as well?

Is that supposed to be connected to this:

Cool. Do you know the bible also talks about nuclear weapons?

Only if so, it seems that either you or God don't know what nuclear weapons do and he's a little bit vague on how they actually operate.


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[Dotini]

This would never happen in the middle east.

Never? During the Carrington event of September 1, 1859,

"skies all over planet Earth erupted in red, green, and purple auroras so brilliant that newspapers could be read as easily as in daylight. Indeed, stunning auroras pulsated even at near tropical latitudes over Cuba, the Bahamas, Jamaica, El Salvador, and Hawaii."
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/

 

[TenEightyOne]

Zach 14:12
"And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

What concerns me most is that you're preaching this interpretative nonsense but you don't know the correct name for the book. It's Zechariah.

And he describes something very like a plague. Exactly as he says. The symptoms sound similar to things like ebola or necrotising fasciitis.

 

[BobK]

Okay, blackberries and a man's purse is one idea. Not bad. Why would they put three men's purses at the top of a 12,000 year old monument?

Any other ideas?

Oh, that's easy. They did it so 12,000 years later somebody would put a massively off-topic post about it in the God thread on GTP.

 

[DCP]

Is that supposed to be connected to thisnly if so, it seems that either you or God don't know what nuclear weapons do and he's a little bit vague on how they actually operate.

I believe His point is not to convince you, but for you to believe what He is trying to tell you, else what is the point of a God convincing people to believe in Him?. They must decide to do it on their own free will.
Uniquely different to every other god that offers everything, based on good works and deeds.

 

[DQuaN]

I believe His point is not to convince you, but for you to believe what He is trying to tell you, else what is the point of a God convincing people to believe in Him?. They must decide to do it on their own free will.
Uniquely different to every other god that offers everything, based on good works and deeds.

I believe he's telling us that we should strip naked, climb to the top of Ben Nevis and slaughter goats while listening to Simon and Garfunkel.

Isn't it obvious? He totally predicted Simon and Garfunkel.


Stop spouting nonsense and actually try to back up what you are claiming. Is what you posted above supposed to be a premonition of nuclear weapons?

 

[Famine]

I believe His point is not to convince you, but for you to believe what He is trying to tell you, else what is the point of a God convincing people to believe in Him?

Shockingly, that doesn't actually answer the question I asked you.

Is that quote supposed to be the Bible predicting nuclear weapons? If it is, then God doesn't know what nuclear weapons do or how they work (so can't be God) or you or whomever told you that passage is about nuclear weapons have interpreted it wrong and it isn't a prediction of nuclear weapons (so isn't a prophecy of them).

It's an either/or deal.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I believe he's telling us that we should strip naked, climb to the top of Ben Nevis and slaughter goats while listening to Simon and Garfunkel.

Oh man that was a great party, right?

Actually, Simon and Garfunkel are foretold in The Word of Our Bibble;

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

People talking without speaking, people hearing without listening

The Bible also predicts Paul Simon's later solo career;

Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace

Graceland, graceland

We're doing a better job than @DCP.

 

[Dotini]

Carved stone vulture head found at Göbekli Tepe (Pic: German Archaeological Institute)

Upper Mesopotamian culture bearer with feathered cloak and vulture head. He offers a bag of seeds symbolizing the coming of agriculture.

They did it so 12,000 years later somebody would put a massively off-topic post about it in the God thread on GTP.

The Book of Enoch is exactly the story of Genesis, except greatly expanded and in much more detail. It is the story of the Garden of Eden, the corruption and fall of man, the flood and all that and more. It tells the story of how the Watchers gave the forbidden knowledge of plants and herbs, metallurgy, weaponry, cosmetics, astronomy.

Myths and legends of Sumeria tell of gods sometimes called Annunaki guiding and teaching humans and providing them with the rudiments of civilization. There is good evidence that the Watchers, and their offspring the Nephilim, were the same thing as the shamanic elite that founded the early Neolithioc cult centres of Upper Mesopotamia. Clear carvings and depictions of vultures, as well as representations of birdmen, have been found at Gobekli Tepe and other Pre-Pottery Neolithic sites in SE Turkey and North Syria.

If it meets with your approval, I would retell the story of Genesis, and the origin of religion, by replacing the supernatural beings with human beings, and the supernatural events with natural events.

 

[DCP]

The beauty of free will to deny something again and again.
That never ceases to amaze me.

The key point here is "while they stand on their feet".

 

[Famine]

The beauty of free will to deny something again and again.
That never ceases to amaze me.

The key point here is "while they stand on their feet".

No, the key point is that the verse you're quoting is either a prophecy of nuclear weapons written by someone who has no idea how nuclear weapons work or not a prophecy of nuclear weapons but imagined to be one by someone who has no idea how nuclear weapons work.

The passage you quoted does not describe how nuclear weapons work. The only way you can think it does is if you don't know how they work. They don't work that way.

So if that's the passage you claim is prophesying nuclear weapons, you're wrong.

 

[Imari]

You know the bible predicted advance technology as well?

It predicts that man will improve his technology?

No 🤬, Sherlock. Any child can tell you that the technology in ten years will be better than today.

Does the Bible get points for stating the obvious?

 

[DQuaN]

I'm starting to think he's trolling.

He's a very good troll if he is though.

 

[DCP]

It predicts that man will improve his technology?

No 🤬, Sherlock. Any child can tell you that the technology in ten years will be better than today.

Does the Bible get points for stating the obvious?

And if it was predicted 3000 years ago?
From your belief of the wheel, till 1900, what serious advanced technology can you provide?
From the first car, till today, I mean there is serious technology you can show.
Why only in the last 100 years has technology seriously exploded?
For you, luck or coincidence, for me, only One knows the future.

 

[DQuaN]

Nonsense. The stone-age, the bronze-age, the iron-age... all saw advancements in technology.

 

[Mike458]

And if it was predicted 3000 years ago?
From your belief of the wheel, till 1900, what serious advanced technology can you provide?
From the first car, till today, I mean there is serious technology you can show.
Why only in the last 100 years has technology seriously exploded?
For you, luck or coincidence, for me, only One knows the future.

All of the technological advancements here are done by human advancements and discovery without the assistance of a nonexistant supernatural being. IF there was a supernatural being that created the universe (which there isn't), then he should have created all modern technology, destroyed disease, stopped all wars, and made us never run out of resources, no?

 

[Famine]

*doesn't believe in evidence-led knowledge*

*cites evidence-led knowledge as an example of prophecy*

 

[Danoff]

And if it was predicted 3000 years ago?
From your belief of the wheel, till 1900, what serious advanced technology can you provide?
From the first car, till today, I mean there is serious technology you can show.
Why only in the last 100 years has technology seriously exploded?
For you, luck or coincidence, for me, only One knows the future.

What technology are you specifically referring to? Here's a neat list of Roman technology:

- Aqueducts
- Concrete
- Newspapers
- Book bindings
- Roads
- Arch bridges and buildings
- Julian Calendar
- Law
- Surgery (including the cesarean section)

Of course, a lot of that was undone during the dark ages (that's religion for you).

 

[Mike458]

What technology are you specifically referring to? Here's a neat list of Roman technology:

- Aqueducts
- Concrete
- Newspapers
- Book bindings
- Roads
- Arch bridges and buildings
- Julian Calendar
- Law
- Surgery (including the cesarean section)

Of course, a lot of that was undone during the dark ages (that's religion for you).

Religion really does slow down progress. I also just don't understand the things people do for an imaginary being, including to give their lives for it. So I think I have a question for everyone to answer:

What if there was a world with no religion?

I'd probably say that we'd be a lot better off without religion, as we could have done more scientific progress without any skewed evidence of religion. ISIS may not have happened, as they would have almost zero reason to attack any surrounding countries. This thread wouldn't have existed, but we would have progressed a lot more than we have now as a species.

 

[TenEightyOne]

What technology are you specifically referring to? Here's a neat list of Roman technology:

- Aqueducts
- Concrete
- Newspapers
- Book bindings
- Roads
- Arch bridges and buildings
- Julian Calendar
- Law
- Surgery (including the cesarean section)

Of course, a lot of that was undone during the dark ages (that's religion for you).

Yes, but apart from that?

 

[DQuaN]

Religion really does slow down progress. I also just don't understand the things people do for an imaginary being, including to give their lives for it. So I think I have a question for everyone to answer:

What if there was a world with no religion?

I'd probably say that we'd be a lot better off without religion, as we could have done more scientific progress without any skewed evidence of religion. ISIS may not have happened, as they would have almost zero reason to attack any surrounding countries. This thread wouldn't have existed, but we would have progressed a lot more than we have now as a species.

I've always thought the same. If it wasn't for the dark ages I couldn't begin to imagine how advanced our civilization would be.

 

[Touring Mars]

Even if the Bible prophecised the next winner of the Best Director Academy Award, it being written down in a book is indicative of nothing.

It is speculation, not evidence.

The expression 'even a stopped clock is right twice a day' springs to mind.

 

[dylansan]

The beauty of free will to deny something again and again.
That never ceases to amaze me.

Consisering you always ignore the evidence we post, often going so far as to accuse us of blindness while simultaneously not responding to the point being made, and considering every time you post something that is supposedly evidence, we actually point out flaws and give context, which is more than you've done...

I find it fascinating that you are surprised people are not going to believe in god just because. People need reasons to believe in things. Anything. And not just practical reasons, like "believing will allow me into heaven." I can't convince myself that something is true just because it's convenient. I need to be convinced. Of anything.

If I told myself I believed in God it would be a lie. Even if I really wanted it to be true. You don't get to choose what you believe. It happens completely automatically based on your experiences and knowledge. What you can choose is what you investigate, what you try to learn about to get the most accurate beliefs.

You have now made it quite clear that you have never investigated, even to the smallest degree, evolution, the big bang, archaeology, ancient world history, chemistry, nuclear physics, or possibly anything but the bible. From what I can tell, it's very possible that everything you "know" about the world is from what someone told you. You've been discouraged from learning, from caring about anything but God. And I think that's a shame.

 

[Scaff]

How so, as this happened almost 4000 years ago. Are people even bothered to look for evidence?. Who knows. Pure guess work, like what you mentioned above?
Now science is saying even the universe is not moving away as fast as they thought. I would say God is playing with them, since they are never certain.

Are you actually being serious with this?

Yes people have looked for the evidence and have been doing so for centuries. Now actually answer the question, how do you explain the absence of any evidence at all if the events happened (keep in mind that the volume of evidence we have for Egyptian life is vast)?

What evidence are you looking for, besides the Rapture and Second coming, to know that God exists?
Does the prophecy of the one world government and the mark of the beast not mean anything to you?

As I have said over a dozen times already, evidence to a scientific standard that is repeatable, falisifiable and peer reviewed.

Please don't get the wrong impression. I was never frustrated, and neither did I even attempt to insult you. It's your free will to believe so. I merely stated how you react to the bible, always wanting to have a defence, instead of at least trying to understand where born again Christians are actually coming from.

So you insult me, infer I'm going to kill myself and all about me wanting to have a defence?

Odd because all I have done is ask questions, it was you at the point of being unable to answer those questions who went on the defence. Now once again please explain why you have claimed I will kill myself?

 

[Exorcet]

What technology are you specifically referring to? Here's a neat list of Roman technology:

- Aqueducts
- Concrete
- Newspapers
- Book bindings
- Roads
- Arch bridges and buildings
- Julian Calendar
- Law
- Surgery (including the cesarean section)

Of course, a lot of that was undone during the dark ages (that's religion for you).

After the dark ages we had the gun, printing press, camera, locomotive, atomic theory, calculus, phone, lightbulb, batteries ...

 

[Danoff]

After the dark ages we had the gun, printing press, camera, locomotive, atomic theory, calculus, phone, lightbulb, batteries ...

...facebook, farmville, American Idol, and the fried twinky.

 

[DQuaN]

After the dark ages we had the gun, printing press, camera, locomotive, atomic theory, calculus, phone, lightbulb, batteries ...

...facebook, farmville, American Idol, and the fried twinky.

Then