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Give your best faith, or. . . ?
Do you believe in God?
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Give your best faith, or. . . ?
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Yes, God exists trust me. He helped me to pass my exams
But the main thing is, you have to give your best and faith
So what you mean to say is, "if you don't have faith, you won't believe".
That applies to anything really.
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I strongly believe in GOD, you only have to look around you to believe in him. Humans are credited for designing intelligent things like robots or cars and many other things, Why cant people give GOD that glory and know that he exist. things don't just appear out of nowhere, your watch, car, T.V, PS3, desk, computer were all designed by someone, what about the earth. things don't just appear out of thin air, someone designed everything we see today, and judging that we are still alive He did a pretty damn good job in designing it.
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So we are all god?
I'm not sure what you are exactly trying to say here.
Also, if he designed humans, he did a really bad job as we can't seem to agree on anything.
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There is an entire branch of science devoted to planetary formation. Planetary geologists are constantly researching the various methods by which the laws of physics generate planets and the types of planets that result. You are very quick to relegate an entire, well researched field of human knowledge to misunderstanding and replace it with God. I'd suggest learning something about the huge quantity of data that you just claimed is invalid.
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TV's, PS3's, Cars, Desks, etc. Are all inanimate objects. That argument is invalid. Perhaps you could use it for the natural world itself, rocks, mountains, cliffs, etc. But for human life, that argument falls flat on its face.
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So - let me get this strait - the gravitational pull that all matter exerted on each other to form larger and larger, and gravitationally stronger clusters of matter, which, given billions of years, forms planets - has been a lie this entire time?
You can't cite witchcraft and sorcery as "science", Danoff; it would be obvious if, for just a moment, you took your nose out of a book written by humans and looked around once in a while. Do you really think planets—massive, enormous collections of gasseous, liquid, and solid matter—just appear out of nowhere? Do you think human cells can just be made?
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OK...should I nominate this guy for a Darwin Award?
That's right, someone designed my house, the road outside my house, the other houses I can see from my window, the various walls I can also see from my window and also my mum's Nissan Tino.
I don't have a watch. I use my phone instead. But back to this, yes, all those were designed by someone. But these are inanimate objects and that invalidates your argument.
No, it just means that we are smart enough to have come up with amazing medicines for all kinds of diseases, allowing us all to live well past 70 (providing we don't smoke or drink too much).
I like to think that at the most God is indirectly responsible for the universe's creation. I don't, however, believe that he designed every single thing in it. That includes humans. Cars aren't intelligent (with some exceptions) as they can't think for themselves. Neither are robots, as they're programmed to do tasks, and they don't act on their own initiative. You're disregarding all the scientific discoveries we have made over the past 500 years for a book written 3,000 years ago that borrowed heavily from other myths from other cultures. We humans knew jack 🤬 about the world when these myths that people call the Book of Genesis were written. The story of Cain and Abel borrows heavily from the Egyptian legend of Osiris and Set. I'm pretty sure there's many other influences from other cultures in the Book of Genesis. If you're so sure that the Bible is completely correct in everything it mentions, then I'm pretty sure you'll be confused by all the contradictions. Are you seriously thinking that instead of the scientifically acknowledged belief that everything in the universe is where it is thanks to gravity, that everything just went "poof!" and suddenly appeared?
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Yes, God exists trust me. He helped me to pass my exams
So where's the achievement then?
If God did your exams for you, why did you need to learn anything?
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Come on, we all know it was Slartibartfast who designed the Earth, or at least partially.
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I'm looking, but... no trace, well, perhaps he suffers anthropophobia.
Somehow yes, for my canaries I'm their god.
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You cannot prove, or disprove, that God (or a god) exists because he never reveals himself.
However, (and mind you it is somewhat off topic but it does still relate) there is some evidence that there is an after life, but this doesn't really prove there is a god.
However, (and mind you it is somewhat off topic but it does still relate) there is some evidence that there is an after life, but this doesn't really prove there is a god.
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God, if any, would be revealed in the beautiful workings of nature and the science that describes it.
I don't know why evidence of the afterlife would be accepted as anything other than evidence of God. What could it be evidence of if not that?
Even so, after an appreciation of nature and the afterlife, I remain agnostic on the existence of God, if only because that term has so many unsavory connotations. I can easily accept that Man is not the highest power or lifeform in the Universe. A quick glance through the tabloids is all it takes to convince that Man is closer to a rotten egg than a god.
I don't know why evidence of the afterlife would be accepted as anything other than evidence of God. What could it be evidence of if not that?
Even so, after an appreciation of nature and the afterlife, I remain agnostic on the existence of God, if only because that term has so many unsavory connotations. I can easily accept that Man is not the highest power or lifeform in the Universe. A quick glance through the tabloids is all it takes to convince that Man is closer to a rotten egg than a god.
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The only thing that appeared out of thin air is the Big Bang.
The Big Bang might be a theory. (proofs that need further confirmations)
but God is an ideology. (assumptions)
You speak as if you were a CareBear, or reading from a children's book.
You can certainly believe however strongly you want in your GOD or any GOD for that matter, there is none...
The reality is otherwise, it's human beings ruling themselves, destroying themselves, creating themselves, caring for themselves... etc etc...
All GODs have always been inside of people's mind only, and ONLY there...
No where else! It's just in your mind, it's like your imaginary friend that makes you feel good in times of needs... God is basically an imaginary friend for grown ups. Nothing more, nothing less.
So i would agree more with YellowBird23, than you.
The belief in a God is a natural need that Human depends and rely on...
Believing in God is a mental reassurance, is a guide for lost souls and for people who have no clue how to lead their own life, to have a reference and guidelines...
That's my opinions on this matters... Therefore i truly believe "God" is useful for those people who have no idea how to be fair with other, they just need rules laid out for them to follow. Rules that were created Thousands of years ago, just like the way the Founding Fathers of the United States laid ground work and rules for future generation to rely on...
... And thanks to all these rules and social guidelines, the humans have been able to focus on making their lives better, to create things and to invent objects that makes our lives comfortable.
Rules to obey and follow... That's really all. Other than that, God hasn't really created anything directly. It IS the humans ourselves who had created "GOD" and infused that ideology into subsequent generations.
No Gods have created the AUP for these forums, a geeky nerd behind his computer did, and that IS useful in our everyday lives, to make easy for us to surf through the GTP site, by having everyone follow those rules... No God there, ... and similarly for everything else...
For every (stupid) rules out there, it's the work of human beings, including the Bible or other (fantasy) Books.
Stop believe in Gods, Start believing in Humans
Gosh! 
Man is not the highest, most powerful lifeform out there...
Man is just an animal like any other on this planet...
... we have just been very efficient at using our skills and improving on it...
But if there is a God, why would it favors humans ...
(S)He (IT) is not, "GOD" only exist because humans have the ability to create things INSIDE their own mind, an idea.... Thus "GOD" is only an ideology.
(Growing up as Catholic with Boudhist influence, but took a Scientific Major and Career...) ... I am trying to stay as neutral, realistic, and rational as possible.
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Isn't that what I just said?
The simple answer to that is, I can't. The same goes for you as well.
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Probably because it was imbedded into my head as I grew up. However, unlike Santa, I didn't really loose faith in the existence of God. Today, I don't mentally understand why I believe in God, but at the same time, I don't understand why I wouldn't believe in God either. I feel that if I denounce God as non existent, I render myself useless. Of course if you never believed in God to begin with, you wouldn't understand what it's like.
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Yes, but I want to know why you believe in him, what is the reason?
The person who says that something exists has to prove it, I don't have prove his nonexistence because for me he exists like Gollum or Santa Claus, they exist only in books/movies, I don't want to offend anyone with this comparison, but there are more information about fictional characters than of god.
Do you believe in vampires? as I assume that your answer will be no, show me their nonexistence, according to your argument, you must do it.
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Which, frankly, is as good an argument (if not even better) against the actual existence of God, than it is for his existence.
If people who are under severe stress and in fear for their lives are more likely to believe in a deity, does that not suggest that their faith is a reaction to the stress, rather than a legitimate understanding?
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I don't believe in god because I would want evidence that he existed so I look more into the scientific explanation. However if there was proof or evidence I would be happy to convert 
So anyway back to the perpous of this post.
I had weird Idea earlier today. It doesn't deserve its own thread but here it is. I thought about compining religions. (christianity and hinduism) I though about how good it would be to be born again (I can't remember the name of it "facepalm"
And I thought that the major floor in this was that there are more and more humans around than before. Then I thought hang on we are killing lots of animals by deforestation and other things, Does this equal the increase in human population?
MMMnn what do you guys think of it. I havent done any reasearch into it however it is something that I haven't been able to find any flaws in.
So anyway back to the perpous of this post.
I had weird Idea earlier today. It doesn't deserve its own thread but here it is. I thought about compining religions. (christianity and hinduism) I though about how good it would be to be born again (I can't remember the name of it "facepalm"
And I thought that the major floor in this was that there are more and more humans around than before. Then I thought hang on we are killing lots of animals by deforestation and other things, Does this equal the increase in human population?
MMMnn what do you guys think of it. I havent done any reasearch into it however it is something that I haven't been able to find any flaws in.
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It all depends on how you were exposed to it and how strongly you actually believed in it.
Just out of curiosity, why do you no longer not believe in God?
@LizMcQueen- (your question was answered on the last post on the previous page) [to add] Anyway, because you cannot prove his non existence, I can there for state that I do not have to prove his existence if you cannot prove his non existence. This always brings us back to the fact that God can neither be proven or disproven. You may believe either.
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This is an interesting statement. Useless how? I don't believe in any god or 'higher purpose' or 'more to life' or immortal soul, yet I don't feel particularly "useless", certainly not to myself (and I hope not to others I care about).
Well, NO, unfortunately, you're wrong here. If I categorically state "God does not exist", then I need to prove that assertion, which is of course a logical impossibility. However, if I state "I do not believe in a God because there is no unambiguous evidence that he exists," then the burden of proof is not on me, it is on God if He cares about my belief. However, since there is a literally infinite number of things that might exist if only someone would believe in them, I can only operate by believing things that have been repeatably proven with non-ambiguous evidence.
Likewise, if you assert that "God exists" then it is incumbent upon you to prove that assertion, which people have been spectacularly failing to do since about, oh, the dawn of recorded history.
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Joel
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I no longer believe in God, because my principles are founded in logic, and I didn't feel that there was any evidence for God any longer, and I can't logically argue for God's existence. I went to Catholic school, and in fact still attend it from Kindergarten through Grade 10 (And I'll be staying in one until grade 12).
I really did believe in God when I was younger. I would pray every day, I would pray for friends and family, the whole nine yards. I prayed for my friend's mom when she was in the hospital, I prayed all the time. However, these prayers (especially for my friend's mom) have made the quote "Two hands working do more than a million in prayer" ring true for me.
I know what you're thinking, it's a classic "God didn't answer my prayers so now I'm mad at him" case. It's not really. Before my friend's mom was hospitalized, I was really close to becoming Atheist, and I didn't have much faith left at all. I gave it one last shot, but after she died I did a bit of thinking, and I really had no reason to believe in God anymore. I disagreed with the Church position on virtually everything, Gay marriage, euthanasia, all of it. I didn't actively pray, or worship God anymore. I couldn't go on telling people I believed in God even though I never would pray, and I really didn't actively do it.
I was a bit rattled for a while when i came to grips with this, and the first thing I did was go and look up evidence FOR the existence of God. My religion teacher at school tried to explain for me, but as much as I wanted to believe in God, I just couldn't justify it. I'm fairly skeptical in my daily life, and I don't often believe things until I see them for myself. Why was God given a free pass? I analyzed God like I would any other thing, and I wasn't satisfied with the explanations for his or her existence.
To sum it up,
1. I believed in god
2. I started thinking logically
3. Stopped praying
4. Realized I'd lost my faith
5. Started trying to justify believing again
6. I laughed at all the explanations
7. I accepted it, and I'm now a happy Atheist!
And what you said directed at LizMcqueen, I'll use this to counter it.
Prove to me that there isn't a copy of GT5 in orbit between Mars and Earth. Or, you could try to prove that there is.
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Useless as in I have less of a reason to live kind of useless.
Hmm, I see. I guess the post on the previous page (as I told LizMcQueen) would be the best answer I have then.
@noob616- The logic I used wasn't spot on as Duke just proved to me. Anyway, are you now one of those "I don't believe in God but there may be a slight chance he still exists, or are you a one of those, "I don't believe in God, but there may be some form of intelligent design involved here, or are you an all out atheist?
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