Do you believe in God?

[CSLACR]

You have heard a religious person say that, namely me.

As for your second post, do I need to find my response above because I can, I explained that to you also.

It is right here, or am I missing your question.



In reality there is no conflict, I stated that also somewhere recently.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about basing your morals on the rest of the wicked world. It explicitly says not to.
But I guess this is what happens when people cherry pick a religion for so long, nobody knows what's real anymore except the ones making it up.

Nobody can hit the moving target theory I guess.

 

[squadops]

I'm not cherry picking, did you read the passage?

Romans 13 ffs

and this https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/do-you-believe-in-god.111312/page-640#post-11300905

 

[CSLACR]

I'm not cherry picking, did you read the passage?

Romans 13 ffs

I'm not here to find quotes for you. Post it, or a link.

 

[squadops]

ok, I will do

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

I should not need to translate I hope 👍

Yeah, that is what I though, you don't have knowledge of the book, no worries.

.....

I will give you an example. I do not care for Obama at all, I thought "oh brother what is this" but, I see his heart and I say, "that is a man doing what he can and trying his best" It is easy to arm chair it, but whatever, in the end.....

He is my President atm, don't you think I support him?

 

[CSLACR]

Not anything about society determining sins?
Care to explain why christians consider premarital sex a sin?
It sure as hell isn't illegal, if that's what you're implying with your verse.

 

[squadops]

Not anything about society determining sins?
Care to explain why christians consider premarital sex a sin?
It sure as hell isn't illegal, if that's what you're implying with your verse.

No, society does not determine sin, you do as a person.

premarital sex is a sin because it leads to unnecessary complications.

Legality is a whole nother matter for the courts. Do the right thing right?

 

[CSLACR]

No, society does not determine sin, you do as a person.

premarital sex is a sin because it leads to unnecessary complications.

Legality is a whole nother matter for the courts. Do the right thing right?

What?

I determine it isn't sin.

Huh?

 

[squadops]

What do you mean what, did I not answer your questions?

 

[CSLACR]

Not even a little.
Obeying your government, and deriving your definition of sin from a society made up largely non christian, are not the same.
Making up your own definition of sin is not only silly, but also is exactly what I said. That's how people end up making it suit their lifestyle. Minds work in very self favoring ways.

 

[squadops]

We are pretty far off, I don't know where to start.

 

[CSLACR]

We are pretty far off, I don't know where to start.

Right here.

premarital sex is a sin because it leads to unnecessary complications.

Do explain please.

 

[squadops]

The first part 👍

The second, oh dear, it is has been a battle, I do not have any idea how old you are, but near my generation those babies are having a very hard time.

I had two, I had to 360 which is fine, it was good for me as them, but just in general, risk of a kid from some youngsters without know how or support is lame. IMO

 

[CSLACR]

Ok, gotcha. It sure would help if you would stop skipping words throughout sentences.
So premarital sex is a sin because of pregnancy?
What if you can't make a baby, for one of various available reasons?

 

[squadops]

Only a sin to me when those cannot handle it.

Oh, that baby thing is very very hard and sensitive, boy boy boy. I am not being a joker, that is very hard thing.

Please be nice to that lady.

 

[BobK]

premarital sex is a sin because it leads to unnecessary complications.

So if something leads to unnecessary complications then it's a sin? Is that what you're saying?

Because I can think of a whole boatload of things that lead to unnecessary complications, none of which I would have thought might be a sin.

Besides which, how about premarital sex that does not lead to unnecessary complications? That wouldn't be a sin then, right? What about sex within marriage that leads to unnecessary complications? (don't try to say that doesn't happen; it does and has).

 

[squadops]

Keeping your life simple and thinking things through is the idea, go ahead and do as you please as long as you know the possible outcomes and are prepared for them. Flying blind is for the imbeciles.

Also just to add real quick, it's best for a child to have two parents already with a solid foundation.

That is what I am saying.

 

[BobK]

Keeping your life simple and thinking things through is the idea, go ahead and do as you please as long as you know the possible outcomes and are prepared for them. Flying blind is for the imbeciles.

Also just to add real quick, it's best for a child to have two parents already with a solid foundation.

That is what I am saying.

No, you said quite specifically

premarital sex is a sin because it leads to unnecessary complications.

 

[CSLACR]

Keeping your life simple and thinking things through is the idea, go ahead and do as you please as long as you know the possible outcomes and are prepared for them. Flying blind is for the imbeciles.

That is what I am saying.

Also just to add real quick, it's best for a child to have two parents already with a solid foundation.

Which, to be clear, is what my original complaint is and was.
Nowadays the ever popular christian answer is to just live like a sinner, because after all, all you have to do is say "sorry God", right before you die and it's off to heaven.
It's getting worse, as evidenced by you, here and now. The above quoted text is a very new concept in general, one of many in a long line of "I want it this way" approaches to christianity.

 

[squadops]

And then I explained

That is not remotely true @CSLACR, I have always thought this way and I'm a Christian, I don't wonder to and fro ffs.

I think what the complaint is over is not Christianity it's over so called Christians who don't even bother to read the book.

Besides all of that, neither of you two realize my definition of marriage. It has nothing to do with the law of man but rather everything to do with two people joining in the name of the lord, this is the God thread after all

 

[CSLACR]

And then I explained

That is not remotely true CSLACR, I have always thought this way and I'm a Christian, I don't wonder to and fro ffs.

You just said you define sin yourself. If you don't realize why that can't/doesn't work, you must not know human nature.

 

[squadops]

Human nature is to sin. It might depend on how you define sin however.

I edited above if you care to look.

 

[Famine]

And then I explained

You explained that premarital sex is a sin because it leads to 'unnecessary complications' - which you then almost clarified to mean "children".

The question still stands that if it's the kind of sex that will not lead to children - with someone who is sterile, for example, or maybe even homosexual - is it still a sin?

Incidentally, if you want to reply to someone, use the quote functions. That way not only do they get notified but everyone can see who you're actually answering and it doesn't get lost because you've not made it clear.

If you highlight a small bit of text, you'll get a pop-up "+ Quote|Reply" notification. Hit "Reply" and that small bit of text is added to the Reply box.

CSLACR

Also, if you put an @ symbol before someone's name, the forum notifies them.

 

[squadops]

Yeah, I forgot the @ I know.

Did you read my post after? Or actually the edit, my bad.

Or this even: Also just to add real quick, it's best for a child to have two parents already with a solid foundation.

 

[Famine]

Yeah, I forgot the @ I know.

And also to quote again...

Did you read my post after? Or actually the edit, my bad.

Yes. The question is still unanswered. If it's the kind of sex that will not lead to children - with someone who is sterile, for example, or maybe even homosexual - is it still a sin?

 

[squadops]

Not to me.

 

[PureAlpha1206]

One of the only things I DO AGREE that @CSLACR said a while back is that sin doesn't exist outside of religion. You are right... Unless you identify yourself as Christian or another religion in some cases, then you are absolutely right that the concept of sin doesn't apply to you. To us Christians, the fact that you deny God alone is a sin to us but I'm not here to preach to you. But I think that we can still both agree that morals of society still do exist though.

Pre-marital sex is technically a sin for Christians for it is something you are supposed to save for marriage and one sole person. Society doesn't always hold quite the same viewpoint, which is not surprising seeing how the world is, but no there is nothing that says you can't have sex before marriage unless you are spiritual.

Simply put, Atheists can't possibly fathom sin as it doesn't apply to you in a personal sense compared to us who are Believers accept the concept of sin and try to follow it best we can.

 

[CSLACR]

Human nature is to sin. It might depend on how you define sin however.

I edited above if you care to look.

It's not human nature to break most laws, but it is human nature to sin.
Perhaps that will help show you the difference between biblical morals, and society's.

 

[squadops]

Let those who live in glass houses cast the first stone.

It's not human nature to break most laws, but it is human nature to sin.
Perhaps that will help show you the difference between biblical morals, and society's.

Did I not already address that earlier in our discussion? I'm pretty sure that I did. Don't make me go find the post.

So here it is

It's not human nature to break most laws, but it is human nature to sin.
Perhaps that will help show you the difference between biblical morals, and society's.

Now following the rule of law is altogether different, we must follow the law of man and some of us also follow the law of God. No matter how you slice it our morals our are own, we didn't need to be taught them.

 

[CSLACR]

One of the only things I DO AGREE that @CSLACR said a while back is that sin doesn't exist outside of religion. You are right... Unless you identify yourself as Christian or another religion in some cases, then you are absolutely right that the concept of sin doesn't apply to you. To us Christians, the fact that you deny God alone is a sin to us but I'm not here to preach to you. But I think that we can still both agree that morals of society still do exist though.

Pre-marital sex is technically a sin for Christians for it is something you are supposed to save for marriage and one sole person. Society doesn't always hold quite the same viewpoint, which is not surprising seeing how the world is, but no there is nothing that says you can't have sex before marriage unless you are spiritual.

Simply put, Atheists can't possibly fathom sin as it doesn't apply to you in a personal sense compared to us who are Believers accept the concept of sin and try to follow it best we can.

Why can't I fathom sin, exactly?

 

[Famine]

And again, no quote...

Not to me.

So then premarital sex isn't a sin...

That leads onto the question of intent. If you have sex knowing that conception is a possible outcome but do your best to ameliorate the possibility with contraception, do you only sin if a pregnancy occurs or is it a sin every time?

Is divorce - which leads to disruption of your two-parent system - a sin?
What if the couple are in a stable relationship and want children but do not wish to marry? Is that sinful?

Atheists can't possibly fathom sin as it doesn't apply to you in a personal sense

Uh-huh. Do you see atheists as unintelligent and unable to grasp things that you know thanks to your faith?

Aside from that, I understand menstruation and it doesn't apply to me in a personal sense.