Do you believe in God?

[Joey D]

@AdamA998, may I respectfully ask you for any remarks you would care to make regarding the Djinn, please? I've read over most of the references to them in the Koran. Im particularly interested if you could add, or say if you think they may be yet present and with us here in reality, here on Earth now. Thank you for your time away from your main discussion. I hope you find a way to avoid banishment. I know you could do it if you really wanted to.

The only thing I know about the Jinn is that they are genies...which means I assume they are blue, slightly weird, and sound like Robbin Williams.

 

[Dotini]

I've mused for numerous years that aliens - and maybe the Jinn, too - are quasi-immortal, inorganic lifeforms; non-biological robots. They could be billions of year old (and developing defects. This might account for some of the crazy/absurd and negatory actions attributed to the sky gods and ancient aliens). Astronomer Jacques Vallee had similar ideas back in the 80's, as well as journalist Jon Keel in the 70's. Astronomer Royal Freddy Hoyle speculated in a novel similar stuff in the 50's. Now Professor Susan Schneider thinks so too.

 

[Carbonox]

What exactly are you doing here? Looking for an echo chamber? Looking for a fight? Or looking for civil discussion with people who don't necessarily share your beliefs?

Converts perhaps? It was only a matter of time before someone filled the long-absent DCP's niche.

 

[JKgo]

The only thing I know about the Jinn is that they are genies...which means I assume they are blue, slightly weird, and sound like Robbin Williams.

...That's not the image I had in my mind, though...

Spoiler: Images of a REAL genie.

Yes, I'm old.

 

[Rallywagon]

Aliens have always made sense as an origin to religion for me. I mean, about as much sense as anything to do with religion anyway. Not that I give it a high probably, just that it makes sense. Given the amount of petroglyphs, geoglyphs, and other sculptures and architecture that can be associated to "space men" I find the idea of aliens as the origins of god(s) more probable than there actually being god(s). Which I find less probable that the whole lot of it all being made up.

 

[NCR3]

Merry Christmas to all the atheists!

 

[Dennisch]

Merry Saturnalia to all the Christians.

 

[DK]

Happy Festivus for the rest of us...?

 

[Imari]

Happy Birthday, Jesus!

 

[polysmut]

Happy Birthday, Jesus!

And Santa!

 

[TenEightyOne]

Happy Birthday, Jesus!

Pfft, that was months ago!

Nonetheless, happy christmas, hannukah, force, saturnalia, yule, solstice, whatever y'all are/were celebrating with good food and drink and more to come as the sun renews! * burp*

 

[JKgo]

...Nothing merry about today, though - a neighbour a couple of houses down from mine is making a blooming racket with loud speakers and migraine-inducing house music since ten in the morning.

Christmas? What Christmas?!

 

[NCR3]

Scrooge lol!

 

[ryzno]

Baa Humbug.

 

[TexRex]

Pfft, that was months ago!

Okay then...happy birthday, Jeebus?

 

[Liquid]

Happy winter solstice deliberately misappropriated to make adapting your "immutable" religion to new peoples easier.

Spoiler

I do actually really like Christmas. It's the "sanctity" of it I don't like.

 

[NCR3]

I was given a gift to live without fear.
So I said thanks a bunch, no need for more beer.

 

[homeforsummer]

Aliens have always made sense as an origin to religion for me. I mean, about as much sense as anything to do with religion anyway. Not that I give it a high probably, just that it makes sense. Given the amount of petroglyphs, geoglyphs, and other sculptures and architecture that can be associated to "space men" I find the idea of aliens as the origins of god(s) more probable than there actually being god(s). Which I find less probable that the whole lot of it all being made up.

The concept of alien life could make organised religion quite interesting actually.

If we discover alien lifeforms, it begins to beg the question of whether current gods hold dominion over elsewhere in the universe - and why our planet is so important to them if there are billions of other civilised worlds. Would Jesus be a saviour for other creatures in the cosmos? Or are there similar, physical manifestation of god stories for those planets? Of course, some might say that a god created the universe, rather than just our planet, but then it's odd that those gods have never mentioned their side-projects to anyone.

It could, of course, start entirely new religions altogether. Even if alien life didn't actively visit us, discovering it would be among the most significant events in human history, and some people would be sure to take it as a kind of "sign" and treat the new lifeforms as deities.

 

[Dotini]

The concept of alien life could make organised religion quite interesting actually.

If we discover alien lifeforms, it begins to beg the question of whether current gods hold dominion over elsewhere in the universe - and why our planet is so important to them if there are billions of other civilised worlds. Would Jesus be a saviour for other creatures in the cosmos? Or are there similar, physical manifestation of god stories for those planets? Of course, some might say that a god created the universe, rather than just our planet, but then it's odd that those gods have never mentioned their side-projects to anyone.

It could, of course, start entirely new religions altogether. Even if alien life didn't actively visit us, discovering it would be among the most significant events in human history, and some people would be sure to take it as a kind of "sign" and treat the new lifeforms as deities.

Now may be the time to contemplate some implications of news from a week ago.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ots-footage-unidentified-flying-a8127881.html
The existence of unidentified flying objects using technology more advanced than human capabilities has been proved “beyond reasonable doubt”, the former head of a secret US government programme has said.

Luis Elizondo, who quit as head of the Advanced Threat Identification Programme (AATIP) two months ago, warned nations now “had to be conscious” of the potential threat posed by UFOs.

The unit, which the Department of Defence (DoD) insisted was terminated in 2012, produced documents that described sightings of aircraft travelling at extremely high speeds with no visible signs of propulsion.

“In my opinion, if this was a court of law, we have reached the point of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’. I hate to use the term UFO, but that’s what we’re looking at,” Mr Elizondo told The Telegraph.

“I think it’s pretty clear this is not us, and it’s not anyone else, so one has to ask the question where they’re from.”

 

[TexRex]

Would Jesus be a saviour for other creatures in the cosmos?

Not until missionaries and militi visit their planets (or planetary bodies) and convert them or wipe out those unwilling to convert.

Luis Elizondo

Him again.

 

[NCR3]

The concept of alien life could make organised religion quite interesting actually.

If we discover alien lifeforms, it begins to beg the question of whether current gods hold dominion over elsewhere in the universe - and why our planet is so important to them if there are billions of other civilised worlds. Would Jesus be a saviour for other creatures in the cosmos? Or are there similar, physical manifestation of god stories for those planets? Of course, some might say that a god created the universe, rather than just our planet, but then it's odd that those gods have never mentioned their side-projects to anyone.

It could, of course, start entirely new religions altogether. Even if alien life didn't actively visit us, discovering it would be among the most significant events in human history, and some people would be sure to take it as a kind of "sign" and treat the new lifeforms as deities.

Exactly, we are still playing catch up. Spirituality is continually evolving as more information is presented. As in : More will be revealed!
It's an exciting time to be alive. In my opinion, humans have shortchanged themselves on powers or beings greater than themselves.

 

[BobK]

Now may be the time to contemplate some implications of news from a week ago.

Now may be the time, but this is not the place. Try here.

 

[Dotini]

Now may be the time, but this is not the place.

Why do you say that?

 

[Imari]

Now may be the time to contemplate some implications of news from a week ago.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ots-footage-unidentified-flying-a8127881.html
The existence of unidentified flying objects using technology more advanced than human capabilities has been proved “beyond reasonable doubt”, the former head of a secret US government programme has said.

Luis Elizondo, who quit as head of the Advanced Threat Identification Programme (AATIP) two months ago, warned nations now “had to be conscious” of the potential threat posed by UFOs.

The unit, which the Department of Defence (DoD) insisted was terminated in 2012, produced documents that described sightings of aircraft travelling at extremely high speeds with no visible signs of propulsion.

“In my opinion, if this was a court of law, we have reached the point of ‘beyond reasonable doubt’. I hate to use the term UFO, but that’s what we’re looking at,” Mr Elizondo told The Telegraph.

“I think it’s pretty clear this is not us, and it’s not anyone else, so one has to ask the question where they’re from.”

"Experts warn there is usually a worldly explanation for apparent UFO sightings and caution that an absence of an explanation is not proof of aliens."

Why do you say that?

Are you suggesting that the UFOs are flown by God instead of aliens? That's way past even tin foil hat territory. I think you should invest in a metallised set of undergarments along with a portable Faraday cage, just to be safe.

Exactly, we are still playing catch up. Spirituality is continually evolving as more information is presented.

You're thinking of science.

 

[Dotini]

A quick search of this "God" thread reveals the term "aliens" has been used on ~173 occasions, with well-known member @Imari accounting for several. And all that was before the US government's limited hangout that UFO phenomena are real and can't be accounted for by any nation on Earth. That news increases the possibility that aliens are here and could account for UFO phenomena including apparitions of Mary and other interactions with humanity involving religious symbolism and meaning. So any argument against the term "aliens" appearing in this thread is diminished if not vaporized.

Although the TTSA organization releasing the recent UFO news is actively suggesting that aliens are behind the UFOs, and that the phenomena involves human interaction and spiritual elements, for the moment let's deny that aliens are here and have any involvement at all with UFOs, humanity and religion. So how do we then account for the UFOs? It seems to me there's only a few answers remaining - natural Earth processes probably involving plasma particle acceleration in clouds and van Allen belts affecting human consciousness - or supernatural entities including angels, demons, and maybe Jinn.

As we wait patiently for the scheduled releases of additional scientific and sociological data regarding UFOs and their affect upon humanity, spirituality and religion, we can carry on here in this thread in several ways. One way would be to exclude discussion of science, sociology, and the explanatory potential of new discoveries and to get down to the business of insult and ridicule, as our erstwhile friend @Imari might prefer. For my own part, I may not have what it takes to participate in the discussion unless it takes place on a more collegial and respectful level.

 

[zzz_pt]

Was any of that published as peer reviewed material? Do you have links?

So how do we then account for the UFOs? It seems to me there's only a few answers remaining - natural Earth processes probably involving plasma particle acceleration in clouds and van Allen belts affecting human consciousness

How do you leave out individual hallucinations our mass hysteria as something intrinsic to human brains in certain natural conditions? Why does it have to be "affected" by aliens? Occam's Razor anyone?

 

[Dotini]

Was any of that published as peer reviewed material? Do you have links?

The recent revelations that UFOs are real and do not originate from any nation on Earth come from the authority of the US government, mainly the Department of Defense and the Defense Intelligence Agency. They contracted out some of the science to Bigelow Aerospace. TTSA is the designated civilian organization or mouthpiece. Links are all over the MSM, and in the GTP aliens thread. You may review "calibrated" gun camera footage there. As I already alluded, the disclosure so far is a "limited hangout". Not too many of us trust government as far as we can throw them. The nature of military and governmental intelligence is to deal in deceit and lies. So you are justified in taking government disclosures of reality either literally, or as a lie, or somewhere in between.

How do you leave out individual hallucinations our mass hysteria as something intrinsic to human brains in certain natural conditions? Why does it have to be "affected" by aliens? Occam's Razor anyone?

No, I do not leave out "mass hysteria" and individual hallucination. I subsume that in natural processes potentially initiated by natural sociological environmental factors including drugs, alcohol, weather and electromagnetics. But here, in the very first disclosure event, we are dealing with UFOs monitored continuously for two weeks by a US Navy aircraft carrier battle group, ship-born radar, AWACs radar, and finally close-up FLIR pod and gun camera by 4 pilots in two F-18's under ideal weather conditions. Not much to do with individual hallucination or mass hallucination.

As I have openly stated many, many, MANY times, my first explanation is natural processes and not aliens.

Thank you for your post, and for your polite questions.

 

[NCR3]

"Experts warn there is usually a worldly explanation for apparent UFO sightings and caution that an absence of an explanation is not proof of aliens."



Are you suggesting that the UFOs are flown by God instead of aliens? That's way past even tin foil hat territory. I think you should invest in a metallised set of undergarments along with a portable Faraday cage, just to be safe.



You're thinking of science.

No, I'm not just thinking of science. Personal Spirituality is an evolving entity and can be intertwined with science quite easily if one has an open mind.

 

[BobK]

Why do you say that?

Because you're discussing aliens and UFOs. This is the "Do You Believe in God?" thread. I pointed you towards the thread discussing aliens suggesting that that may be a better place to post thoughts concerning aliens and/or the lack thereof. I realize you're obsessed with this kind of thing but I think the rest of us may prefer to keep discussions of aliens, UFOs, and whatnot in their relevant threads. You have repeatedly attempted to hijack this thread to discuss your pet obsessions.

@homeforsummer made a quite on-topic post about the effect that aliens might have on religion, spirituality and current perceptions of gods, you seem to have focused on the word "aliens" in his post as an invitation to attempt to discuss UFOs etc while totally ignoring everything else in his post.

 

[Dotini]

Because you're discussing aliens and UFOs. This is the "Do You Believe in God?" thread. I pointed you towards the thread discussing aliens suggesting that that may be a better place to post thoughts concerning aliens and/or the lack thereof. I realize you're obsessed with this kind of thing but I think the rest of us may prefer to keep discussions of aliens, UFOs, and whatnot in their relevant threads. You have repeatedly attempted to hijack this thread to discuss your pet obsessions.

@homeforsummer made a quite on-topic post about the effect that aliens might have on religion, spirituality and current perceptions of gods, you seem to have focused on the word "aliens" in his post as an invitation to attempt to discuss UFOs etc while totally ignoring everything else in his post.

There have been over 175 references to aliens in this thread, including those from @homeforsummer. Why shouldn't others including myself do so as well? He said "The concept of alien life could make organised religion quite interesting actually. If we discover alien lifeforms, it begins to beg the question(s)...". I politely replied, with new and strong evidence, that perhaps alien life is already here and interacting with humans including its religiosity. Surely you can have a better grounded complaint against me that I'm trying to hijack the thread from @homeforsummer's ideas!! Actually, I agree with them. Actually, I like them. And they are quite worthy of additional discussion, since the potential discovery of aliens here makes them all the more relevant. Yes, let's do discuss them. Why not give it a whirl yourself?

The discussion of aliens is indivisible and inseparable from the discussion of gods and deities.

EDIT:

Soon, perhaps very soon, AATIP/TTSA sources will release government sponsored medical science analyses of humans who have experienced close contact with UAP and "alien entities". This includes harmful events, involving physical, mental or emotional harm. It has already been dropped that "tough guy" DIA agents encountered harmful, perhaps even devastating experiences at the Skinwalker Ranch.

Human contact with gods and deities, while perhaps occasionally resulting in technological advances as said in the Sumerian cuneiform texts and the Jewish book of Enoch, may more often than not result in damage to humanity and its best interests. Perhaps.