Do you still support PD?

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Do you still support PD?

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suomi1
Well... I could say a lot of things.. But I'm too disappointed and weary to "fight"

Whatever, considering that:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/note-kazunori-q-a-forum-now-closed-for-posting.309297/
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt6-kaz-q-a-subforum-why-has-it-been-shutdown.321893/
To see Jordan giving up..

About 50% still support PD. Well, I can understand. But what about people that have left this community and GT6?

Forum's activity has decreased lately.
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Wait, what!? This would have really pissed me off if I hadn't already given up all hope for GT6 and 99.9% for GT7. The closing of Q&A due to lack of interest from Kaz/PD just adds more wood to the fire for why they have lost all my respect as game developers. This level of open lies, empty promises, and general disrespect toward their customers (you know, us folk who buy their products and pay their salary) is frankly astounding. I know we aren't investors or shareholders, but we are paying customers and occasional communication is not an outrageous request... certainly not in this day and age.

When inanimate objects such as walls provide better responses... :mad:🤬:banghead::ouch::grumpy:👎👎
 
suomi1
Well... I could say a lot of things.. But I'm too disappointed and weary to "fight"

Whatever, considering that:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/note-kazunori-q-a-forum-now-closed-for-posting.309297/
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt6-kaz-q-a-subforum-why-has-it-been-shutdown.321893/
To see Jordan giving up..

About 50% still support PD. Well, I can understand. But what about people that have left this community and GT6?

Forum's activity has decreased lately.
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Wow I didn't know Jordan closed it. What a shame PD...
Anyway I just come here to check the memes thread, photomode thread...and update thread when there is one. I don't care about anything else anymore.
GT6? My PS3 is collecting dust. I fire up the game only to download the updates, get the daily bonus to finish a couple of seasonal events, take some photos.
I could forgive PD for the absence of REAL and ADVANCED customization, damage, good sounds etc......only if the multiplayer mode was as good as Forza's. Well structured, simple, fast, effective, FUN. (I don't own an xbone with FM5, but for 3 years I had the time of my life playing FM3 and FM4 online).
Well GT6's multiplayer is nothing like it, it's the opposite. It's just confusing, complicated, slow, unfinished, boring so I gave up playing.

Yeah ok for some of the physics, and a few nice graphic effects due to the lightning and details of cars. But other than that? To me it's just boring and old school, vintage.
For years I defended like a freaking fanboy EVERY SINGLE aspect of GT5P, GT5 and GT6, waiting and hoping....and now I'm done. I'm tired of this s****.

Rant over.

I'm having fun on PS4 with Fifa and GTA, waiting for Project Cars to come out in march.
GT7? I don't know if I will buy it. We'll see.....
 
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TeamCZRRacing
This thread is a perfect microcosm of GTPlanet at the moment. If you look, vastly more people have voted that they're going to continue supporting PD in the future, but if you scroll down and read the comments, at least 70% of them are people saying that they're not going to. That shows that people like me who actually still like and trust PD are afraid of expressing their own opinions because they're afraid of being bullied and picked apart. It's ridiculous. I'm on the verge of asking the mods to ban me for a couple of weeks just so I'm not tempted to come back to this cesspit of negativity everyday.

As for whether or not I still fully support PD, of course I do. This series changed my life for the better in multiple ways and I'm not turning my back on it no matter what.
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This.
 
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I doubt it has something to with being bullied. The opposing side I do believe is the most vocal and therefore will question an opinion with reasons they find odd or don't believe are true.
 
TeamCZRRacing
This thread is a perfect microcosm of GTPlanet at the moment. If you look, vastly more people have voted that they're going to continue supporting PD in the future, but if you scroll down and read the comments, at least 70% of them are people saying that they're not going to. That shows that people like me who actually still like and trust PD are afraid of expressing their own opinions because they're afraid of being bullied and picked apart. It's ridiculous. I'm on the verge of asking the mods to ban me for a couple of weeks just so I'm not tempted to come back to this cesspit of negativity everyday.
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That's not really fair to level that sort of criticism at GTP: it extends to many other things. Those that find something sub-par tend to be more vocal about it than those that appreciate it or even just tolerate it. The easy example: you tend to hear more about peoples' relationship problems than you do all the good things.

As for whether or not I still fully support PD, of course I do. This series changed my life for the better in multiple ways and I'm not turning my back on it no matter what.
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At this point, I wouldn't say I'm turning my back on them, but it hardly feels like they have my back either. And this is a company that has changed my life too; GT paid for a year of university (well, Sony did, but still), and I made a trip to NYC on short notice to meet Kaz as well as some GTP members. I absolutely hope that they find success with GT7, not just because GT is the game that got me interested in cars, but because competition breeds excellence in the genre. But the days of it being a no-questions-asked, day-one purchase are behind me. Given what little we've been told about GT7, and with how poorly GT6 has been handled, I don't think it's unreasonable to be skeptical.
 
hardvibes
Yeah ok for some of the physics, and a few nice graphic effects due to the lightning and details of cars. But other than that? To me it's just boring and old school, vintage.
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I couldn't give less of a damn about anyone's opinion, but some things aren't and can't be classified as opinion. Quality of graphics is not an opinion. GT6's graphics and visual realism is on par with PC driving sims. You can't list GT6's graphical quality as a "just ok" aspect of the game.
 
Quality of Graphics can be opinionated. I think they are OK. I'm not amazed by that at all. I think it comes with the expectations because I had no interest in visuals for GT5 and GT6 so when I played them It felt meh, I even tried looking at it Closely and didn't really see my self being surprised.

Then when I looked at the first Smash Bros. for Wii U Trailer. I was amazed by how pretty it looks and how it almost looks like what they look like in their artworks. This could be mainly due to me thinking the graphics will be dark and uninteresting but some will say it looks meh or is inferior to Wind Waker HD which I'd disagree with.
 
RESHIRAM5
Quality of Graphics can be opinionated. I think they are OK. I'm not amazed by that at all. I think it comes with the expectations because I had no interest in visuals for GT5 and GT6 so when I played them It felt meh, I even tried looking at it Closely and didn't really see my self being surprised.

Then when I looked at the first Smash Bros. for Wii U Trailer. I was amazed by how pretty it looks and how it almost looks like what they look like in their artworks. This could be mainly due to me thinking the graphics will be dark and uninteresting but some will say it looks meh or is inferior to Wind Waker HD which I'd disagree with.
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I found myself (and many others) blown away by how real GT6 looks. GT5 was awful though, I agree. It had terrible lighting and wasn't very colorful.

Thing is, how appealing the graphics look or how they compare to graphical quality of other games is an opinion, but how close a game looks to real life isn't really an opinion. When there's a side-by-side comparison of GT6 and real life, and they look strikingly similar; you just don't have anything to say to that.
 
TeamCZRRacing
This thread is a perfect microcosm of GTPlanet at the moment. If you look, vastly more people have voted that they're going to continue supporting PD in the future, but if you scroll down and read the comments, at least 70% of them are people saying that they're not going to. That shows that people like me who actually still like and trust PD are afraid of expressing their own opinions because they're afraid of being bullied and picked apart. It's ridiculous. I'm on the verge of asking the mods to ban me for a couple of weeks just so I'm not tempted to come back to this cesspit of negativity everyday.

As for whether or not I still fully support PD, of course I do. This series changed my life for the better in multiple ways and I'm not turning my back on it no matter what.
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You were right! Well Done! :D
 
FiftyBelowZero
I couldn't give less of a damn about anyone's opinion, but some things aren't and can't be classified as opinion. Quality of graphics is not an opinion. GT6's graphics and visual realism is on par with PC driving sims. You can't list GT6's graphical quality as a "just ok" aspect of the game.
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ON PAR??????????

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Seriously I won't go through this again.
And I hope you read my post because I clearly wrote that there are

a few nice graphic effects due to the lightning and details of cars
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especially at dusk, night, dawn and in bad weather conditions

RESHIRAM5
Quality of Graphics can be opinionated. I think they are OK. I'm not amazed by that at all.
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Period.
 
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FiftyBelowZero
GT6's graphics and visual realism is on par with PC driving sims.
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With premium cars on a premium track, certainly.

With standards on a "standard" track, not really. Unless you're talking about PC sims from 8+ years ago.

You can't list GT6's graphical quality as a "just ok" aspect of the game.
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You can if you take into account the entire range of GT6's graphical quality, and don't just cherry pick the best parts of it.

Some people only play with the best parts, and so they think it's great. That's OK.
Some people don't notice the bits with quality from 2001. That's fine too.
Some people do notice and find that it detracts from the whole visual experience. And there's nothing wrong with that, any more than there's anything wrong with the first two.

If you want to be objective, then the graphical quality of GT6 is not that great. The subjective part is that some people don't find that to be a problem, because of how GT6 presents itself.
 
To possibly carry on what Imari just wrote, for me it's about the consistency of the quailty, or in this case, the lack of it. This becomes even more laughable when two levels of quality of the same car are left together in the game just to keep the car count up.

One of my most visited threads tells the story pretty well just by the title alone - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/standards-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly.291012/

This sort of thread really need not exist, if the job were done properly.
 
I support them on the fact that I'll get GT7. But as far as gt6, I traded it in. All I played on PS3 was GT6 and GTA5. With GTA5 moving to PS4, I'm on PC racers until Project Cars and Gran Turismo will be a completely forgotten name.
 
No, I dont support PD anymore. GT 3 & 4 are among my favorite games ever, but enough is enough. To me, its mindblowing that there are still people who actually believe that B-Spec and the Course generator will still come for GT6. Here we are, 13 months after release and we re still talking about features that already were present in previous iterations of the game and have yet to be included in GT6. Why should they still bother? 90% of all GT6 players have moved on, there is little to no money to be made if they still include those features, word on them have been scarce at best for months, finishing the development of those two features would never take 12 months (especially if you consider that they were already worked on before release and that there is present experience and probably legacy code), etc etc etc.

And even if that stuff still comes and if they finally improve the virtually nonexistant communication with players and if they mavellously finally decide to only use up to date content except for PS2 era rehashes, the game design & gameplay itself is so outdated that I m just not interested anymore unless they totally overhaul it.
 
FLX1981
No, I dont support PD anymore. GT 3 & 4 are among my favorite games ever, but enough is enough. To me, its mindblowing that there are still people who actually believe that B-Spec and the Course generator will still come for GT6. Here we are, 13 months after release and we re still talking about features that already were present in previous iterations of the game and have yet to be included in GT6. Why should they still bother? 90% of all GT6 players have moved on, there is little to no money to be made if they still include those features, word on them have been scarce at best for months, finishing the development of those two features would never take 12 months (especially if you consider that they were already worked on before release and that there is present experience and probably legacy code), etc etc etc.

And even if that stuff still comes and if they finally improve the virtually nonexistant communication with players and if they mavellously finally decide to only use up to date content except for PS2 era rehashes, the game design & gameplay itself is so outdated that I m just not interested anymore unless they totally overhaul it.
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I say this loud and clear : I believe !

Rockstar Games have 19 months to include heist in online promised before the release of GTA V.
And don' tell me, it's more complicated to implement the B-SPEC mode and course maker than heist.

Moreover, these two features are still present on the official site. Of course, I don't forget FIA championship, too.

2015 will be a very good year for GT6. It's nice to see that PoDi doesn't abandon their game.
 
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one of PD's problems is the lack of real communication with fans and "KAZ Q/A" is the most obvious sign of that.

https://www.gtplanet.net/ruf-ctr3-to-feature-gtplanet-livery-in-project-cars/
once again, and in the right moment, are the others developers taking the lead to please GTplanet. (a ruf,...porshe, with a gtplanet livery. i dont know how it came to be but its smart) SMS is being very smart about pcars since the beginning and i can only congratulate them for that. (still need to see the final product). GT opens the door ... the others use it.

still root for the brand GT but without confidence.
 
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Zlork
I say this loud and clear : I believe !

Rockstar Games have 19 months to include heist in online promised before the release of GTA V
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Problem here is, heists were not present in GTA 4, and 5 was a completely new build, whereas GT6 uses the majority of the cars, tracks and a whole host of other properties from previous iterations, almost without change.
 
I think I'm done supporting PD. I simply do not understand much of their choices regarding the future of the series. I'm still baffled at how the B-Spec and Course Maker options have yet to appeared! And instead of focusing on such features that'll apply to the majority of players, they go out and create and give features that will only apply to a small percentage of overall GT6 players! I mean where's the DLC cars and tracks we were promised? Why is the VGT project taking forever? What happened to many GT5 features that aren't available in GT6?

The biggest issue I have with GT6 is how bare bones it is compared to GT5. Many features are now gone and for what? I heard somewhere that they created a new engine or something for GT6 that allowed easier updates, but was it really worth losing a ton of content?!?
 
I personally still trust Mr. Kaz and his team. They should now be able to create something that's actually good with the new, easier hardware. GT5 and GT6 weren't perfect (because of PS3?), but they had potential.

But, if GT7 will have immense amounts of low quality PS2 content, that is the time when I have lost all my hope for PD.
 
The only way I 'support' PD (and that through Sony) is to buy the disc.

I may probably buy another copy of GT6, as a back-up, though 'collecting' also factors in, since I collect GT 'stuff'.
As an example I have 4 GT4 discs, one still in shrink-wrap, and packed away as a time-capsule together with a new PS2 slim.

Have I supported PD enough this way for what they've given me in terms of freude am fahren?
No.
They have given me lots of free stuff and kept adding to the game I bought with eyes wide shut, so I don't really think I've supported them enough.
The $60.00 I gave Sony to hand over to PD probably paid for the bunch of flowers at the reception desk.

So no . . . I'm not really supporting PD. Not enough for what they provided me personally with the content on the disk.

In comparison, I've supported the TDU2 franchise a lot more - probably shelled out as much as $100.00 in total now for the original disc, as well as Casino fees, purchases of Car and Motorcycle DLCs, etc.



I should buy Kaz a Timmies.. . . .
 
Smuttysy
Problem here is, heists were not present in GTA 4, and 5 was a completely new build, whereas GT6 uses the majority of the cars, tracks and a whole host of other properties from previous iterations, almost without change.
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If you go there, heist was present in San Andreas and in single player of GTA V.

B-SPEC mode and course maker will be new, you must not underestimate the job !
 
NUNOpt
one of PD's problems is the lack of real communication with fans and "KAZ Q/A" is the most obvious sign of that.

https://www.gtplanet.net/ruf-ctr3-to-feature-gtplanet-livery-in-project-cars/
once again, and in the right moment, are the others developers taking the lead to please GTplanet. (a ruf,...porshe, with a gtplanet livery. i dont know how it came to be but its smart) SMS is being very smart about pcars since the beginning and i can only congratulate them for that. (still need to see the final product). GT opens the door ... the others use it.

still root for the brand GT but without confidence.
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It's a sad comment on the times when GT Planet, a community primarily focused on the GT series, is shown more love by developers of Project CARS than GT itself.
 
Sorry, but heists will not be in the same format or resolution and will definitely be a complete new build. I also seem to recall that heists were a pc mod, rather than general release.
B-Spec will be copy-pasted and then lightly modified, course maker SHOULD be brand new, but I'll believe that when I see it.
 
I voted Neutral.
I can't understand why some basic (because the big part of development were already done on GT5!) Features take so much time to release, and two big ones are yet to be released! It is a giant mistake to release an incomplete game.

However, I won't deny I had some fun playing GT6. Photos, solo, online.. And most of all the online club with which I was (or am, which is yet to see) running made me enjoy GT6 a lot.

Nonetheless, in my opinion this game could have been better, I don't understand the poor artistic choices of the developers; their choices in this regard were extremely good back in the days of the early GT's. I don't see the point of slapping my hand to them; I will judge them based on their products, not based on the developers. Becoming a fanboy of one side or another is pointless imo. So yes, it is highly probable I will buy GT7 and probably next GT's.
 

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