Do you still support PD?
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It probably will. They've said that standards are likely to be included, although we can always hope that it's in a much upgraded form.
The heist situation in GTAV is just as much of a fiasco as the B Spec/Course Maker situation in GT6. I don't see why you're trying to minimise one over the other. Neither are acceptable.
The one thing I'd say in favour of Rockstar is that at least they periodically talk about it, even if the news is never good. We haven't heard anything out of PD regarding B Spec, and they've not said anything new about the Course Maker since before release.
But that's PD for you, communication is not their strong suit.
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It will be funny to see thereactions, if they do happen to release B-Spec or the Course creator after like... 16 months.
Unfortunately, most people are unable to hold contrary opinions simultaneously.
Whatever happens, PD should be criticised for the way they handled the release.
Then they should receive whatever praise or criticism is appropriate for the features themselves, depending on how good they are. A good feature is still a good feature, even if it's 12+ months late.
One would hope that they're a fairly big step up from what was available in GT5, given the time spent on them.
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I voted neutral, but patience is getting thin.
Things like the Course Maker might be technically difficult to implement on the PS3 at this point, but this was a self inflicted wound that PD has caused to it’s self, dumping GT5 version altogether instead just refining it and saving the major reworking for GT7.
It’s hard to see what technical issues PD can be having at this point from implementing some of the other features (low hanging fruit) tire wear/fuel consumption which is already coded into the game, online season event such as the Nurburgring GP 10 lap race with full grid and weather effects are using this.
Adding endurance events back into the career mode. Again a year after release it’s hard to imagine why B-Spec isn’t included. I think the absent of the features are a conscious decision by PD that it has decided to move on to GT7 maintaining some of it’s obligations such as VGT and seasonal events. With a lot of these smaller items not being addressed it looks bleak for GT6 in 2015.
Things like the Course Maker might be technically difficult to implement on the PS3 at this point, but this was a self inflicted wound that PD has caused to it’s self, dumping GT5 version altogether instead just refining it and saving the major reworking for GT7.
It’s hard to see what technical issues PD can be having at this point from implementing some of the other features (low hanging fruit) tire wear/fuel consumption which is already coded into the game, online season event such as the Nurburgring GP 10 lap race with full grid and weather effects are using this.
Adding endurance events back into the career mode. Again a year after release it’s hard to imagine why B-Spec isn’t included. I think the absent of the features are a conscious decision by PD that it has decided to move on to GT7 maintaining some of it’s obligations such as VGT and seasonal events. With a lot of these smaller items not being addressed it looks bleak for GT6 in 2015.
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Well, I usually don't comment on threads, but this one really got my attention. First of all, my vote was
"Yes, mostly support them". I am a Gran Turismo fan since i bought GT2 in 2002, which was a game that i played a lot during my adolescence(and since GT4 always froze after 1 or 2 races :/ ). In 2010 I saved money to buy the PS3 console ONLY because GT5 was launched, and still was a great joy to me. Including Tourist Trophy, PD was responsible for games that i absolutely loved and would be disrespectful (for my conscience) to turn back now. But i am not blind.
Besides the hype, PD made too much promises that hurts everyday isn't launched, and damn it hurts. Look how is GTPlanet now!! There's more and more negative comments, posts and threads everyday (actually when was the last post or thread that didn't became full of complaining??) and PD silence didn't help too. PD should realize that there's more great games coming soon(ow, this word...) that can captivate a GT buyer and change the references. Sometimes I really think if i will buy GT7 by launch (and the PS4 console too, remembering that in Brazil the PS4 it's more expensive). If GT7 becomes a great evolution(and that's still my hope), i will definitely buy both, no doubt. But if GT7 become GT5.75...
Now PD is like a great football player that returns to my local club after 15 years playing in Europe. He still is hell better than some local guys, make some pressure in our rivals because of his past glory, but he, by himself, needs to understand he will not survive more seasons only by his past, and should work harder to continue being a reference and play with the newer adversary.
And for a last paragraph, sometimes i think if my "impressionability" with some franchises are becoming less effective when i'm aging. It's something that everyone should ask to himself before raging commentaries, If i was 12 by now, should i be so angry and desolated with GT6? Because when we compare GT1/2/3/4 to GT6 sometimes we forget this detail.
"Yes, mostly support them". I am a Gran Turismo fan since i bought GT2 in 2002, which was a game that i played a lot during my adolescence(and since GT4 always froze after 1 or 2 races :/ ). In 2010 I saved money to buy the PS3 console ONLY because GT5 was launched, and still was a great joy to me. Including Tourist Trophy, PD was responsible for games that i absolutely loved and would be disrespectful (for my conscience) to turn back now. But i am not blind.
Besides the hype, PD made too much promises that hurts everyday isn't launched, and damn it hurts. Look how is GTPlanet now!! There's more and more negative comments, posts and threads everyday (actually when was the last post or thread that didn't became full of complaining??) and PD silence didn't help too. PD should realize that there's more great games coming soon(ow, this word...) that can captivate a GT buyer and change the references. Sometimes I really think if i will buy GT7 by launch (and the PS4 console too, remembering that in Brazil the PS4 it's more expensive). If GT7 becomes a great evolution(and that's still my hope), i will definitely buy both, no doubt. But if GT7 become GT5.75...
Now PD is like a great football player that returns to my local club after 15 years playing in Europe. He still is hell better than some local guys, make some pressure in our rivals because of his past glory, but he, by himself, needs to understand he will not survive more seasons only by his past, and should work harder to continue being a reference and play with the newer adversary.
And for a last paragraph, sometimes i think if my "impressionability" with some franchises are becoming less effective when i'm aging. It's something that everyone should ask to himself before raging commentaries, If i was 12 by now, should i be so angry and desolated with GT6? Because when we compare GT1/2/3/4 to GT6 sometimes we forget this detail.
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Hmm, mostly I chose.
They just seem to not listen and/or (if they do) respond appropriately. They're sort of in need of a new leader potentially? Kaz is great, but he's all over the shop, they're far too slow with development, and what they do develop is... 75% not interesting to me.
The seasonals have all been quite poor, its really disappointing they don't have the pp difference that was introduced in GT5, they also don't give out the list of cars that that are in the races.
It boils to this. PD, not all change is improvement, while all improvement is change - therefore, 'if it's not broke, don't fix it' and please, please; change things we'd like changed, then leave it if we're not complaining about it (because we probably like it or are indifferent to it). That'd be 50% of my complaints.
The other 50% is simply new development direction, which I call 'wandering aimlessly'. Virtually no new cars, remember the DLC promises? We're about, what? 200 odd cars off where we should be if they added them, like they had said they were going to in the past. New tracks extremely rare, and the new features they do add are inconsistent, occassionally brilliant, that does happen, its a shame the other features are mostly duds.
I'm still in the religion of it all though, can't find an alternative series on PC or Xbox that could fully replace this game, and I may still seriously consider PS4/GT7 - depends on what it's like.
They just seem to not listen and/or (if they do) respond appropriately. They're sort of in need of a new leader potentially? Kaz is great, but he's all over the shop, they're far too slow with development, and what they do develop is... 75% not interesting to me.
The seasonals have all been quite poor, its really disappointing they don't have the pp difference that was introduced in GT5, they also don't give out the list of cars that that are in the races.
It boils to this. PD, not all change is improvement, while all improvement is change - therefore, 'if it's not broke, don't fix it' and please, please; change things we'd like changed, then leave it if we're not complaining about it (because we probably like it or are indifferent to it). That'd be 50% of my complaints.
The other 50% is simply new development direction, which I call 'wandering aimlessly'. Virtually no new cars, remember the DLC promises? We're about, what? 200 odd cars off where we should be if they added them, like they had said they were going to in the past. New tracks extremely rare, and the new features they do add are inconsistent, occassionally brilliant, that does happen, its a shame the other features are mostly duds.
I'm still in the religion of it all though, can't find an alternative series on PC or Xbox that could fully replace this game, and I may still seriously consider PS4/GT7 - depends on what it's like.
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Quick question. Does PD still support GT6?
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I personally can't say that I won't support Polyphony Digital at all but I'm going to make a point...
I think that Gran Turismo is one of those racing games that you must have in your collection, you can tell there is passion behind it and you see that the game was made for car lovers, but not too sure if for the actual gamers though, based in what we have and how things were made.
I also think that PD is a little bit lost in a couple of things:
First one being the marketing department and how they are trying so hard to sell us the game we already like and know, adding things to it that most of the people don't care so much (GT Academy being one example, but is something out of the actual game actually).
The second thing and I think is the most important, is what PD is trying to do with the car list and features, they are trying to give us something but they are not hitting the nail at all when it comes to actual content. Yes, we have "a thousand" cars in the game and some features (half or more of them used once and then forget) but are they giving us what we really want after all? What I'm trying to say is that games and the market changed a lot over the past few years, people are not buying something if it doesn't have what you really want. Before, people bought things because of the name/or brand (some still do that...) or because they knew what it was going to be in the box 100% assured (no DLC's or the game being updated with "missing content" that should come with it at release -but is not only happening in GT-)...now is all about content, is all about certain basic things that should be included in the game as something basic, if you fail to deliver that you are screwed.
Look at other examples, see what Forza series are doing (I don't own Forza but I follow what Turn 10 is doing), they have a consistent package of good tracks and a very good list of cars (sometimes it feels that they read GT Planet and take what we ask and then put it in their game...), cars that they know people want or like (with sense and taking a look at the actual market with new released cars and such, cars from the moment), and then they keep adding even more.
In Gran Turismo I never feel that the list of cars "was made for the people", even with that amount of cars and mostly repetitive models, it feels like you are playing other's game (Kazunori's game maybe?)...
pCARS is making a game based in what people is asking, the list of cars is small but yet you see those cars and want to drive them all and the tracks as well. You have races, practice, qualifying, flag regulations, racing with the same type of cars so you can make a realistic competition not based in fictional "PP" systems or such (also not "racing for the rabbit"), vehicle damage, all that can be turned on and off, set AI difficulty...etc. I mean this should be a basic thing in a racing game and the majority of racing games have it, even fully arcade ones.
Gran Turismo 6 is a great game but with lots of flaws (car list overall, standard cars -do you think it is normal to get inside of a car in a racing game and all that you see is a black simplistic interior like something not finished at all?-, the sounds of the cars sounding nothing at all like the real counterparts in the real world...nothing at all), and bad designed features like the proper racing which is not how it actually is in the real world as well, with also improper IA design...
You know how hard is for me to say that GT is not as good as it was, how hard is to put other game or other simulator as rFactor 2 and race in it feeling quite great, with so many simple mechanics (realistic ones, like races with practice and qualifying!! plus actual pit stops), great AI which feels like racing with good real people/players at some points, with a small list of cars but all different yet capable of making good races between the same ones (Clio Cup cars for example, how good it feels to race against the very same cars without seeing the AI slowing down in corners making you feel that you are faster but having actual great competitive racing even while not online...etc.
Is really hard for me to put Gran Turismo 6 again and have good times with it (I just play it once updates comes out to get the cars)...I understand that some people play only GT, but if you try something else you'll see where GT is failing the most and then it will be hard to go back...really hard.
I'm waiting for Gran Turismo 7, if they don't deliver a consistent game overall this time I'll pass, still and for the first time I didn't get the Play Station 4...I had them all but this is the first time I see barely a reason to play in a console since you need a subscription fee to play online and games are not exciting as I also expected. Playing on PC a lot lately, upgraded it and I'm having fun with a lot of non racing games and having almost all racing/simulators...just can't go back to GT.
I'm an objective person, but as much of a fan of GT I am, I can't deny what is wrong with it. Hope that PD ditch some crazy ideas, use more common sense, and finally give us a proper Gran Turismo game, hopefully a finished product as GT4 was.
I think that Gran Turismo is one of those racing games that you must have in your collection, you can tell there is passion behind it and you see that the game was made for car lovers, but not too sure if for the actual gamers though, based in what we have and how things were made.
I also think that PD is a little bit lost in a couple of things:
First one being the marketing department and how they are trying so hard to sell us the game we already like and know, adding things to it that most of the people don't care so much (GT Academy being one example, but is something out of the actual game actually).
The second thing and I think is the most important, is what PD is trying to do with the car list and features, they are trying to give us something but they are not hitting the nail at all when it comes to actual content. Yes, we have "a thousand" cars in the game and some features (half or more of them used once and then forget) but are they giving us what we really want after all? What I'm trying to say is that games and the market changed a lot over the past few years, people are not buying something if it doesn't have what you really want. Before, people bought things because of the name/or brand (some still do that...) or because they knew what it was going to be in the box 100% assured (no DLC's or the game being updated with "missing content" that should come with it at release -but is not only happening in GT-)...now is all about content, is all about certain basic things that should be included in the game as something basic, if you fail to deliver that you are screwed.
Look at other examples, see what Forza series are doing (I don't own Forza but I follow what Turn 10 is doing), they have a consistent package of good tracks and a very good list of cars (sometimes it feels that they read GT Planet and take what we ask and then put it in their game...), cars that they know people want or like (with sense and taking a look at the actual market with new released cars and such, cars from the moment), and then they keep adding even more.
In Gran Turismo I never feel that the list of cars "was made for the people", even with that amount of cars and mostly repetitive models, it feels like you are playing other's game (Kazunori's game maybe?)...
pCARS is making a game based in what people is asking, the list of cars is small but yet you see those cars and want to drive them all and the tracks as well. You have races, practice, qualifying, flag regulations, racing with the same type of cars so you can make a realistic competition not based in fictional "PP" systems or such (also not "racing for the rabbit"), vehicle damage, all that can be turned on and off, set AI difficulty...etc. I mean this should be a basic thing in a racing game and the majority of racing games have it, even fully arcade ones.
Gran Turismo 6 is a great game but with lots of flaws (car list overall, standard cars -do you think it is normal to get inside of a car in a racing game and all that you see is a black simplistic interior like something not finished at all?-, the sounds of the cars sounding nothing at all like the real counterparts in the real world...nothing at all), and bad designed features like the proper racing which is not how it actually is in the real world as well, with also improper IA design...
You know how hard is for me to say that GT is not as good as it was, how hard is to put other game or other simulator as rFactor 2 and race in it feeling quite great, with so many simple mechanics (realistic ones, like races with practice and qualifying!! plus actual pit stops), great AI which feels like racing with good real people/players at some points, with a small list of cars but all different yet capable of making good races between the same ones (Clio Cup cars for example, how good it feels to race against the very same cars without seeing the AI slowing down in corners making you feel that you are faster but having actual great competitive racing even while not online...etc.
Is really hard for me to put Gran Turismo 6 again and have good times with it (I just play it once updates comes out to get the cars)...I understand that some people play only GT, but if you try something else you'll see where GT is failing the most and then it will be hard to go back...really hard.
I'm waiting for Gran Turismo 7, if they don't deliver a consistent game overall this time I'll pass, still and for the first time I didn't get the Play Station 4...I had them all but this is the first time I see barely a reason to play in a console since you need a subscription fee to play online and games are not exciting as I also expected. Playing on PC a lot lately, upgraded it and I'm having fun with a lot of non racing games and having almost all racing/simulators...just can't go back to GT.
I'm an objective person, but as much of a fan of GT I am, I can't deny what is wrong with it. Hope that PD ditch some crazy ideas, use more common sense, and finally give us a proper Gran Turismo game, hopefully a finished product as GT4 was.
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its just an impression but i believe both of them, turn10 and SMS, read and follow gtplanet. SMS probably used it, our suggestions and disappointment mood back at gt5, as first inspiration and uses it since then (IMO). they "read" the opportunity and took it very smartly.
... still root for GT
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I played GT4 when I was about 10 years old, it was my first GT and it was super-awesome and I learned so much about cars with it.
I have always been a car nut and when GT5 came out a friend told me about 'that new game with 1000 cars'. I found out that it was GT5 and we both became GT5 nuts. I loved this game in every way, for me it was always the best game ever.
Then GT6 was announced and I was ultra-excited. When GT6 released, I was a little bit disappointed, but especially with the updates it became a better and better game.
And despite the fact that GT6 is 'just' a big GT5 update (better graphics, more cars, more tracks,...), GT is still my favourite game franchise and yes, I do support PD.
I have always been a car nut and when GT5 came out a friend told me about 'that new game with 1000 cars'. I found out that it was GT5 and we both became GT5 nuts. I loved this game in every way, for me it was always the best game ever.
Then GT6 was announced and I was ultra-excited. When GT6 released, I was a little bit disappointed, but especially with the updates it became a better and better game.
And despite the fact that GT6 is 'just' a big GT5 update (better graphics, more cars, more tracks,...), GT is still my favourite game franchise and yes, I do support PD.
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Guess I don't support them anymore since I never bought GT6 and I haven't played GT5 in like 6 months, in fact, my PS3 is pretty much buried in dust.
Guess I don't even support Sony at this point.
Guess I don't even support Sony at this point.
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I started up GT6 tonight. The Demo began and Kei cars are "racing" around Rome. A freakin' red LCC Rocket was "stuck" behind a few cars around the right hander and left after turn 1... and again, a blue LCC Rocket just now, racing Kei cars, at GT Arena! For the record, im still using Ver. 1.14.
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- karsten_beoulve
I plan on getting Project Cars on PS4, but i have no doubts that Gt6 will be upgraded again as promised. Not sure i'll jump on GT7; the communication side of PD has disappointed me way too much (just take a look at the Kaz questions forum). It's no more 1998. People wants to have their feedback listened on, wants communication on a software developer side.
I would have no problems at all waiting for example for course maker if they would say every now and then "we did this, found that it broke x, planning to do Z, gonna take more time". It's a mature and sensible way of doing things and i honestly think noone would complain to such honest approach. I might even accept the Endurance mode not being in game (althought i make my endurance online with real people and i think ALL should do the same) if they said "they are not possible due to x-y reasons" even if they said "because our bad programming causes a bug with ai if races last more than 30 mins" i would be pissed at them for their bad programming but at least understand why we do not get such basic things.
To sell me GT7 i want a weekly blog from PD, and at least 2 or 3 people dedicated to running a dedicated feedback forum/managing commmunication. And for the game to be awesome, obviously!
I would have no problems at all waiting for example for course maker if they would say every now and then "we did this, found that it broke x, planning to do Z, gonna take more time". It's a mature and sensible way of doing things and i honestly think noone would complain to such honest approach. I might even accept the Endurance mode not being in game (althought i make my endurance online with real people and i think ALL should do the same) if they said "they are not possible due to x-y reasons" even if they said "because our bad programming causes a bug with ai if races last more than 30 mins" i would be pissed at them for their bad programming but at least understand why we do not get such basic things.
To sell me GT7 i want a weekly blog from PD, and at least 2 or 3 people dedicated to running a dedicated feedback forum/managing commmunication. And for the game to be awesome, obviously!
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No.ive been mad since prologue and. They have still to yet fix tuning,car sounds, ai, and car customization. And the others in reason Because every week another video game developers r gives me what I want. From the guys that made real racing for my ipod all the way up to p cars. On the pc. PD had fallen so far back it's not even. Funny any more
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what pisses me off is that they seem to be trying to force us to play online with the lack of custom racing offline with AI using soft tyres, picking your opponents etc.. but then the online experience is total **** so im left with this amazing game i love playing but nothing fun to do.
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No, they support GT Academy.
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I'm just burned out on video games in general, I go through phases of not playing much for a year or two then I'll get really into gaming again for a year two. GT6 came out at a time when I'm not really into playing GT games anymore after I spent two years of playing GT5 almost non stop. Maybe for GT7 I will feel more interested in playing, we'll have to see how much of an improvement they make.
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My feelings excatly. I mostly spend more time on my comic series and improving it than play video games, however there is one game that I do play a lot though (and it's from 2009!
) But it's on PC, since I've gotten bored of console gaming and developers releasing half-assed games on them nowadays. The only console game I will play, is Enthusia Professional Racing, a PS2 racing game that's more fun as the ones I've played in the past than any new racer out there (except on PC, since I haven't played iRacing, AC etc. yet)
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