Does Anyone Else Consider These "Hybrid" Cars Cheating?

[eran0004]

The game wasn't made for those cars, the physics weren't made for those cars, the gameplay wasn't made for those cars. Of course it's cheating regardless of where or how you use them.

That doesn't mean that it can't be fun though, cheating is often fun. In the beginning. Before it ruins the game.

Edit: I mean, if we have a driving simulator for which one of the few strong points is the realism, and then we throw realism out the window by hacking the cars. What are the points of the game then?

 

[playnthru]

I don't like that the vettel challenge is now pointless because a hacked car can do it easy. Sad

How can you pick your car? Is it not default?? I always used the games car.

 

[nowayback]

Just think it takes ssome fun out of the game, for the person doing it. Rather advance slowly, have a little suspense at least.

 

[NjLowrider]

How can you pick your car? Is it not default?? I always used the games car.

True true I wasn't thinking straight.

 

[bs13]

The current hybrid cars are blatantly obvious to spot. The problem arises when more sneaky cars show up.

One thing you can't deny is the level of excitement and attention that these mods have brought to GT5. This is something that PD has failed to do lately. At this point it is up to PD to decide whether to inject something new and exciting into the game or let an outside source do it.

 

[seriouswapanese]

^ exactly, PD has been incredibly slow releasing new content (aside from worthless updates) so the community has taken it upon themselves to do it, the mildly tuned and drivetrain converted cars are awesome, while the tens of thousands of HP ones are more of a novelty.

 

[rosckolove]

First of all having a hybrid car is not cheating. You get nothing but older/grey by earning credits the old way. There is no honor in wasting your own time in a video game.

Its not cheating if you take it online in a free run lobby.

It is cheating if you try to sneak the cars into lobbies where people are actually racing. It isn't a problem currently, but the 100k hp X1 can enter any HP or PP regulated room. From what I know its the only car that can do it. But say you get a BMW M3 CSL with 700 hp and 100/200 clicks of downforce and a negative pp that somehow gets past the HP regs like the X1 does. Then we have a problem.

Right now its all good fun. I like to join SSR7 and Le Sarthe rooms and just idle past everyone, and occasionally blip the throttle.

It gets boring though and I go back to racing.

 

[Giygas]

^Is it possile yet to add clicks of downforce like that? That would make the LFA killer if it could get a 35/65 downforce setting.

 

[Exorcet]

But say you get a BMW M3 CSL with 700 hp and 100/200 clicks of downforce and a negative pp that somehow gets past the HP regs like the X1 does. Then we have a problem.

Any car can enter any PP room already. There are already ~3000 hp cars with 550 PP or so.

But then they are easy to deal with because you need a lot of excess power to start bringing the PP down.

Sneaky cars don't really exist. If their power is low enough to be 500 or whatever PP legitmately, then they're not giving anyone an advantage. If they're overpowered, the hp regs deal with them.

 

[TexasTyme214]

The only cool thing I've heard out of this was the fact that you can put different sound clips from one car to another. I'd love to have a Pescarolo Hybride with an actual V10 sound. Other than that, it is cheating in every way. You can totally sneak a bunch of cars under the radar without people thinking of it. How can you tell if someone puts the chassis from a NSX Type R '02 and puts it in the NSX 91'? The 91 would be noticeably faster and probably without a PP boost.

 

[Drevenger]

Sneaky cars don't really exist. If their power is low enough to be 500 or whatever PP legitmately, then they're not giving anyone an advantage. If they're overpowered, the hp regs deal with them.

Yes they do exist. Your lack of knowledge on these hybrid cars is obvious once again.
There's the kart bug, chassis swap, Racing Super Soft bug. This is what we know yet.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Also, 4wd cars converted to FR and vice versa... imagine Mines R34 GTR in FR layout racing in a room where 4wd is banned ... then another one : Amuse Carbon R converted to 4wd r34 chassis, loads of grip. This is only simple chassis swap, imagine chassis of cars with notable handling goodness swapped into cars with inferior handling ... then FF with FR or even 4wd chassis ... modified/increased aero with swapped chassis ( mine's R34 chassis has good aero )

Soon, people will swap things like mad, any car can have other car's drivetrain or engine or have lots of aero ... drivertrain restriction would be useless, any originally FR / FF cars can have great launch/grip with 4wd drivertrain swapped into. Then we will have Yellow Bird in 4wd and lots of aero ...

 

[watermelon punch]

Yes they do exist. Your lack of knowledge on these hybrid cars is obvious once again.
There's the kart bug, chassis swap, Racing Super Soft bug. This is what we know yet.

I want to hear more about this kart bug.
Because I do go into karting rooms.
Someone else has told me they were in a karting lobby where the host had it tuning: prohibited - which I believe is rather unusual in a karting lobby... Someone else speculated that perhaps the host knew that tuning prohibited could restrict out cheater karts.
And I have noticed lately a trend in karting rooms using Kart Jr.s more than I'd ever seen before - almost never saw that before in pub lobbies. But I wonder if it's because people aren't using bug'd kart Jr.s
Anyone have any info or thoughts on this?

Exorcet is starting to remind me of King Arnulf of Hy Brasil.

Then we will have Yellow Bird in 4wd and lots of aero ...

Ew. But I can totally see some nutball wanting to make the Yellow Bird drive like a hopped up 4wd Skyline.
But anyway, so a drivetrain restriction is useless if the drivetrain is somehow swapped in these?

 

[Drevenger]

I'm not really stalking every hybrid cars but I don't think i've seen a Jr last time I checked. Also, I haven't looked at kart room in a while so I'll get you back on this in case no one clarify the issue.

Good point Rydox, I totally forgot about the drivetrain bug.
/edit/ Gonna give a closer look at next DT leaderboard to see if there's any weird setup.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Any car can enter any PP room already. There are already ~3000 hp cars with 550 PP or so.

But then they are easy to deal with because you need a lot of excess power to start bringing the PP down.

Sneaky cars don't really exist. If their power is low enough to be 500 or whatever PP legitmately, then they're not giving anyone an advantage. If they're overpowered, the hp regs deal with them.

You've got your head buried in the sand mate. Pretending seemingly small changes like drivetrain swaps and chassis swaps won't make a difference means you don't get the subtlties of the game. Thinking you can fix this in open lobbies with an HP check shows you dont' play the game on any regular basis.

When one enters and open lobby now you have no idea who or what you are racing against anymore, in spite of what it says on the screen and a car's external appearance. The integrity of the game is shot, kaput, gonzo.

 

[DiersZee1]

You've got your head buried in the sand mate. Pretending seemingly small changes like drivetrain swaps and chassis swaps won't make a difference means you don't get the subtlties of the game. Thinking you can fix this in open lobbies with an HP check shows you dont' play the game on any regular basis.

When one enters and open lobby now you have no idea who or what you are racing against anymore, in spite of what it says on the screen and a car's external appearance. The integrity of the game is shot, kaput, gonzo.

The ever hopeful you shall be

 

[Maccer_42]

Also, 4wd cars converted to FR and vice versa... imagine Mines R34 GTR in FR layout racing in a room where 4wd is banned ... then another one : Amuse Carbon R converted to 4wd r34 chassis, loads of grip. This is only simple chassis swap, imagine chassis of cars with notable handling goodness swapped into cars with inferior handling ... then FF with FR or even 4wd chassis ... modified/increased aero with swapped chassis ( mine's R34 chassis has good aero )

Soon, people will swap things like mad, any car can have other car's drivetrain or engine or have lots of aero ... drivertrain restriction would be useless, any originally FR / FF cars can have great launch/grip with 4wd drivertrain swapped into. Then we will have Yellow Bird in 4wd and lots of aero ...

Drive train swaped cars can't enter restricted rooms, the RWD integra cant enter if the room doesn't allow FF's even though it is now RWD the game still recognises it as being FF.

Maybe people will eventually figure out how to get drive train swaped cars to register as their new drive layout, but currently and last time tryed with the only drive train swaped car I have it couldnt enter if there was a restriction.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

You've got your head buried in the sand mate. Pretending seemingly small changes like drivetrain swaps and chassis swaps won't make a difference means you don't get the subtlties of the game. Thinking you can fix this in open lobbies with an HP check shows you dont' play the game on any regular basis.

When one enters and open lobby now you have no idea who or what you are racing against anymore, in spite of what it says on the screen and a car's external appearance. The integrity of the game is shot, kaput, gonzo.

Completely agree with you. The hackers/cheaters have successfully ruined online play. Just another reason for me to stay offline and just keep doing the WRS TT's.

 

[Jaywalker]

You've got your head buried in the sand mate. Pretending seemingly small changes like drivetrain swaps and chassis swaps won't make a difference means you don't get the subtlties of the game. Thinking you can fix this in open lobbies with an HP check shows you dont' play the game on any regular basis.

When one enters and open lobby now you have no idea who or what you are racing against anymore, in spite of what it says on the screen and a car's external appearance. The integrity of the game is shot, kaput, gonzo.

^+1.^

I haven't been online in ages, but it would only be shuffles for me if I did... (Do you still GET shuffle races? )

 

[D-Max]

I agree it's ruining the online integrity but, I am one using them an applying them. But I agree completely. My cars haven't really found there way out. 3/4 have, not 50/60.

I've got a RX7 with 787B engine and until it launches off at break neck speeds, you can't tell. Unless you notice it screeming with that gorgeous engine sound or the ever familiar "bup bup bup bup" at idle.

It's incredible fun, no doubt! I'd just rather not see these cars used in racing lobbies. I'm a drifter, so I completely see the point in rwd GTR R34's etc and in free run lobbies.

Also, the modding can be advantageous in one respect, the finish on a car. The inset of the wheels on the mx5 and silvia s15 really annoy me. I have an mx5 with the new roadster chassis and it it's snug. I'd rather see those changes. Not 20,000hp

 

[Exorcet]

Yes they do exist. Your lack of knowledge on these hybrid cars is obvious once again.
There's the kart bug, chassis swap, Racing Super Soft bug. This is what we know yet.

Last time I asked about the Super Soft no one confirmed it actually made any different in performance. Sports Super Soft don't, I know that much. The game also tells you what tires everyone is using.

The kart bug? You mean that the kart undershoots min HP? Karts have how much PP though? 500-600?

Chassis swap should alter PP as well. Though I've not been able to confirm this.

You've got your head buried in the sand mate. Pretending seemingly small changes like drivetrain swaps and chassis swaps won't make a difference means you don't get the subtlties of the game. Thinking you can fix this in open lobbies with an HP check shows you dont' play the game on any regular basis.

I'm not pretending anything. I'm just helping people deal with the issue. If they want to quit the game until it's fixed, that is fine, but it's not necessary.

We've gone over that I don't play the game regularly anymore, but again it doesn't make any difference.

When one enters and open lobby now you have no idea who or what you are racing against anymore

Until you check.

in spite of what it says on the screen and a car's external appearance.

The same problem we've always had due to how PD has set up lobby options.

 

[watermelon punch]

Drive train swaped cars can't enter restricted rooms, the RWD integra cant enter if the room doesn't allow FF's even though it is now RWD the game still recognises it as being FF.

Maybe people will eventually figure out how to get drive train swaped cars to register as their new drive layout, but currently and last time tryed with the only drive train swaped car I have it couldnt enter if there was a restriction.

UM.... that's the point. Someone could use a 4wd in a room where only FFs are allowed. (ie; cheating)

(Do you still GET shuffle races? )

 

[GTRACER1998]

Does anyone have a -PP X2010 on borrow?
I really need to use it.

Also, it depends on where/when you use the Hybrids, if you use them offline, then I wouldn't consider it cheating, but when you go inline and do races/Timetrials with them, then yes.

 

[montez34]

Just so everyone knows you can take these hacked cars into tuning restricted rooms as long as no aftermarket part are installed, with the hacked karts all you have to do is default the transmission and you can enter tuning restricted rooms.

 

[watermelon punch]

Just so everyone knows you can take these hacked cars into tuning restricted rooms as long as no aftermarket part are installed, with the hacked karts all you have to do is default the transmission and you can enter tuning restricted rooms.

(emphasis mine)

Thank you for that information. 👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Hacked cars basically have their stock HP multiplied, so even tuning prohibited won't do any good now if the cars don't have any parts fitted, they can use power limiter too if not mistaken What if someone hacked the car so it has stock HP multiplied only by 1.05 or 1.10, 5% or 10% increase ? Not so obvious, but can give a little advantage, they can fine tune their HP excess by using limiter.

In a non drivetrain restricted room, it may becomes worse with cars having superior chassis + HP increase, now host will have to check whether each car legit by turning off drivertrain check boxes and see which car qualify as it should be, then run HP check, then PP check just to make sure everyone is on a level playing field or not cheating with hybrid.

 

[Drevenger]

Last time I asked about the Super Soft no one confirmed it actually made any different in performance. Sports Super Soft don't, I know that much. The game also tells you what tires everyone is using.

The kart bug? You mean that the kart undershoots min HP? Karts have how much PP though? 500-600?

Chassis swap should alter PP as well. Though I've not been able to confirm this.


I'm not pretending anything. I'm just helping people deal with the issue. If they want to quit the game until it's fixed, that is fine, but it's not necessary.

We've gone over that I don't play the game regularly anymore, but again it doesn't make any difference.


Until you check.

The same problem we've always had due to how PD has set up lobby options.

Yes you are pretending and every time you post an assumptions theres always alot of info suggesting otherwise. How wrong you are is astonishing, i'll repeat once again Exorcet, You are totally clueless about the situation. You the one that was suggesting hp regulated races

Stop living in imagination land, You have no clue about the cars, You haven't drive them, you haven't races against, you haven't host any room including them, you don't know how easy it is to drive clean with them you are just expressing your ignorant opinions on the subject.

 

[DiersZee1]

Yes you are pretending and every time you post an assumptions theres always alot of info suggesting otherwise. How wrong you are is astonishing, i'll repeat once again Exorcet, You are totally clueless about the situation. You the one that was suggesting hp regulated races

Stop living in imagination land, You have no clue about the cars, You haven't drive them, you haven't races against, you haven't host any room including them, you don't know how easy it is to drive clean with them you are just expressing your ignorant opinions on the subject.

He wont understand

Johnnypenso has already tried more then just a few times.

 

[Exorcet]

What if someone hacked the car so it has stock HP multiplied only by 1.05 or 1.10, 5% or 10% increase ? Not so obvious, but can give a little advantage

Then they basically just put an exhaust upgrade on. It's probably not worth anything at all in that case.

Yes you are pretending and every time you post an assumptions theres always alot of info suggesting otherwise. How wrong you are is astonishing, i'll repeat once again Exorcet, You are totally clueless about the situation. You the one that was suggesting hp regulated races

Yes, since hp regulations are a simple fix to super high HP cars in PP rooms.

You haven't drive them, you haven't races against, you haven't host any room including them, you don't know how easy it is to drive clean with them

Thankfully none of that matters, unless you have some reasoning behind mentioning all that.

He wont understand

Honestly, I don't. I don't know what these people are looking for. We already agree that it's a problem, that PD should fix it, and it's something of concern to online users. Beyond that, I wonder what their goal is in trying to lock away potential solutions to the problem.

 

[saxplayer1998]

Can we please stop the arguing and get back on task. Arguing is what PM's are for.