Does Anyone Else Consider These "Hybrid" Cars Cheating?

Do You Think using the "Hybrid" Cars is Considered Cheating?


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Then they basically just put an exhaust upgrade on. It's probably not worth anything at all in that case.
10 unnotice-able percentage is not what I call "anything at all"
Yes, since hp regulations are a simple fix to super high HP cars in PP rooms.
Simple fix toward cheating. Why would every legit racers need to adapt? Beside how lame hp reg. races are we can voice our concern so we can control the damage.
Thankfully none of that matters, unless you have some reasoning behind mentioning all that.
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Yeah, your totally right. We should just speak over our head about stuff we don't even take part of. :rolleyes:

Let me ask you a question, be honest.
Do you actually care ?
 
What if someone hacked the car so it has stock HP multiplied only by 1.05 or 1.10, 5% or 10% increase ? Not so obvious, but can give a little advantage, they can fine tune their HP excess by using limiter.
Exactly.
My guess is that King Arnulf Exorcet has been engaging in an EPIC FAIL at devil's advocacy. :lol:
Hy Brasil has sunk. Facepalm & move on. :boggled:
 
10 unnotice-able percentage is not what I call "anything at all"
Well that's what it is. Adding 10% power is basically the same as getting an upgrade from the tuning shop which should be handled by the PP system easily.
Simple fix toward cheating.

What are you trying to say with that? Yes, trying to get into a PP room with an overpowered car for the purpose of winning unfairly is cheating.


Why would every legit racers need to adapt?
Because PD can't snap their fingers and fix everything. Unless you just want to put down the game, you'll need to come up with something in the mean time.

Beside how lame hp reg. races are we can voice our concern so we can control the damage.
What?

Yeah, your totally right. We should just speak over our head about stuff we don't even take part of.
I have more experience with the game than many, and pretty much all the problems posed by these modded cars are things anyone could have faced before if they had tried hosting any more than a very basic room online. If someone is making things up it's not me.

Let me ask you a question, be honest.
Do you actually care ?

Yes. I don't know why you'd even ask.

devil's advocacy.

Not in the slightest. It's pretty obvious.
 
pretty much all the problems posed by these modded cars are things anyone could have faced before

That's just untrue. Period.

I really hope you're just trolling for effect. Because if you really believe that, I would highly recommend getting checked for early onset Alzheimer's.
 
That's just untrue. Period.

I really hope you're just trolling for effect. Because if you really believe that, I would highly recommend getting checked for early onset Alzheimer's.

How is it untrue? PD only added very basic restrictions to lobbies. Update whatever-it-was added a few more, but a lot of them are pretty random (apparently Lamborghini and Ferrari are the only manufacturers worth having a restriction for). It's ridiculous that you can't use PP and HP/weight at the same time which would be necessary for races with certain tuning restrictions, and without minimum PP/HP and maximum weight it just make enforcing special rules difficult.

I'd rather PD add proper lobby rules without removing modded cars as opposed to removing modded cars and leaving the current options for lobby restrictions which make hosting many kinds of races an unnecessary chore.

I suppose most of you have just gone online and set rooms for PP only or HP weight only. If that's the case, I guess you might not get it at first.
 
It's ridiculous that you can't use PP and HP/weight at the same time which would be necessary for races with certain tuning restrictions, and without minimum PP/HP and maximum weight it just make enforcing special rules difficult.

I agree that it's silly that you can't restrict both HP & PP & weight all at the same time.

But I don't know how this translates to mean that regulations that are disappointing or not all they could be, are no better than NO REGULATIONS AT ALL.

Because that's what these kluged/hacked/whatever cars do. NO REGULATIONS WILL WORK AT ALL.

Period.

98hp is the lowest HP regulation.
PP used to be enough to restrict for karts!!!
Including a karts only setting.
Now there's NO WAY to keep out a hacked kart.
PERIOD.

Not only that but what makes you think they can't change the HP reading if they can make a car have negative PP or a different drive train, then there's probably someone who's figured out how to make a car look like it has less HP or more weight - whatever.

Bottom line: Some regulations that work are better than none.
And that's what there is now. NONE AT ALL can now be trusted.
This cannot be denied.
 
I think it's ridiculous. Fair enough if you want to waste the game on making hacked cars but they shouldn't spoil online for everyone else.
 
Completely agree with you. The hackers/cheaters have successfully ruined online play. Just another reason for me to stay offline and just keep doing the WRS TT's.

Yep and PD has yet to react.

Is it really so hard to give us advanced lobby options? Like setting PP and HP/Weight, tuning restriction and car category at the same time?

Also, we still have no options like "road cars only". We have half hearted attempts like "Ferrari road cars only"...

Edit:
That 100k X1 totally ruined the lvl system. It just spits into the faces of players who did the LeMans 24h and other enduros to reach lvl 40. With the 100k hp X1, you can do that in few hours...
For me it was always special to see and race lvl40 players... I only race in open lobbies and lvl40 were a rare sight, eventhough this game is very old now. Im playing since day1, did the 24h LeMans race two times and still only lvl39. In few weeks everyone will be lvl40, have all X1`s and classic race car in their garage...
 
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i habe no problem with hybrid cars, aslong as they arent 2000hp+.

i like those still realistic ones, for example a 850 hp EVO RM...
 
i habe no problem with hybrid cars, aslong as they arent 2000hp+.

i like those still realistic ones, for example a 850 hp EVO RM...

Problem is:
Lets say you hack your savefile and edit a Evo to get this 850hp Evo RM.

A "legit" player has no access to this car.

I can`t buy or win this car, but you could still race it against me.

Also, what about PP balancing? You have no idea how PD calculated the PP and in which operation window those work for every car.
 
Yep and PD has yet to react.

Is it really so hard to give us advanced lobby options? Like setting PP and HP/Weight, tuning restriction and car category at the same time?

Also, we still have no options like "road cars only". We have half hearted attempts like "Ferrari road cars only"...

Edit:
That 100k X1 totally ruined the lvl system. It just spits into the faces of players who did the LeMans 24h and other enduros to reach lvl 40. With the 100k hp X1, you can do that in few hours...
For me it was always special to see and race lvl40 players... I only race in open lobbies and lvl40 were a rare sight, eventhough this game is very old now. Im playing since day1, did the 24h LeMans race two times and still only lvl39. In few weeks everyone will be lvl40, have all X1`s and classic race car in their garage...

Oh yeah... I spent ages going lvl.40 in both a-spec and b-spec.
It just sucks. Those people just ruin gaming, no matter if offline or online. As long as people don't have an advantage online, they can use their cheats whenever they want offline. But in GT5 they have a massive advantage because of the money and level, apart from the cars being able to be used online.
 
But I don't know how this translates to mean that regulations that are disappointing or not all they could be, are no better than NO REGULATIONS AT ALL.

But that isn't the case. The grossly overpowered cars can't enter a room where the host uses PP and HP to check entrants. It's unfortunate that it must be done, but if you want to be extra cautious, it must be done.

It harder to keep out more subtle cars, but then they shouldn't be a real problem. Adding 10% more power to something is well within the range that PP was designed to handle outside of maybe the X1 which already does strange things with PP.

98hp is the lowest HP regulation.
PP used to be enough to restrict for karts!!!
Including a karts only setting.
Now there's NO WAY to keep out a hacked kart.
PERIOD.
If they use more than 98 hp, the HP restriction does work.

If they use less than 98 hp, what is the PP? Is it still going up, or already going down by that point?

Not only that but what makes you think they can't change the HP reading if they can make a car have negative PP or a different drive train, then there's probably someone who's figured out how to make a car look like it has less HP or more weight - whatever.
Just because they've done something does not mean they can do everything, so I'm not too concerned with all of these problems that haven't appeared. I've explained the reason for negative PP before. It's math and the hacked don't really have any control over it.

Now I suppose that may change, but until it's discovered that people have learned to do that I wouldn't worry so much.

On the chassis swap, does it alter PP or not?

Bottom line: Some regulations that work are better than none.
And that's what there is now. NONE AT ALL can now be trusted.
This cannot be denied.

I'm not seeing how that is the case.

Problem is:
Lets say you hack your savefile and edit a Evo to get this 850hp Evo RM.

A "legit" player has no access to this car.

Well that's the nature of modding. If someone wants that car, they need to get it because it's not included in game.
I can`t buy or win this car, but you could still race it against me.
That is the problem, not the cars themselves.

Also, what about PP balancing? You have no idea how PD calculated the PP and in which operation window those work for every car.

It's certainly a fair guess that PP works within the range that the game allows us to tune cars. So for most cars, probably up to 1000 or so HP, maybe a little more. But it's hard to be completely sure I'll give you that.
 
Let's hope this is not really true .... otherwise, online races is in impending doom ..

You can edit PP values, change the sound the car makes and edit the weight. This is all I know so far. You can also edit suspension settings to make your car sit really low.
You can't change the 'category' a car is - I.E you can't turn a Ferrari into a Lamborghini Road Car category if you know what I mean. You can't edit the ride height for all cars, they sometimes go invisible or just glitch out, such as the Tank Car.

And car's HP can be increased, drive train swapped, racing super soft tires fitted, chassis swapped ... who knows what else ...
 
Exactly my point. If people are claiming various kinds of editing are possible... It seems all sorts of values might be incorrect from how the car actually performs, and all sorts of regulation settings would be useless.
 
Simple fact of the matter is that these cars are making the game very, very messy. No matter what you think of them or how fair they are they're still hacked cars and they're polluting the whole game, for better or for worse depending how you look on it. I'm certain PD are not going to want that to continue and will hopefully kill all of it ASAP.
 
Then correct me, the example used in this thread, 3000 hp 550 PP Evo. What's stopping you from using HP and PP to keep the car out?

Surely the point is that a 3000hp car, even if somewhat uncontrollable, should have a much higher PP?

Would it be wrong to use a 4WD/AWD/FF car hacked into being rear-wheel drive in a drift competition?

It'd be wrong to use a hacked car in any competition, surely. Not exactly fair is it.
 
It'd be wrong to use a hacked car in any competition, surely. Not exactly fair is it.

But a drifting competition isn't exactly about who gets to the finish line first, which a hacked car could pull off with ease under the use of a good driver. It's the performance of the drift, no?
 
Then correct me, the example used in this thread, 3000 hp 550 PP Evo. What's stopping you from using HP and PP to keep the car out?

BZZZZZZZ
Strawman argument EPIC FAIL.

  1. I could care less about 550pp EVos. :rolleyes:
  2. Any car with 3000hp should not be 550pp or less. :dopey:
  3. You can't restrict both HP & PP 👎
  4. This has nothing to do with hacked karts at all. :mad:
  5. Etc. etc. etc. that everyone's already told you - like that anything you've suggested just proves that it's gotten more difficult to control. :crazy:
Sorry, don't bother trying again, thanks for playing.

But a drifting competition isn't exactly about who gets to the finish line first, which a hacked car could pull off with ease under the use of a good driver. It's the performance of the drift, no?

No matter what the "object" goal is, that determines a winner in a competition - using methods or equipment that are not agreed upon by all, (or are against the rules or set regulations) is generally, yes, the very definition of cheating.
 
But a drifting competition isn't exactly about who gets to the finish line first, which a hacked car could pull off with ease under the use of a good driver. It's the performance of the drift, no?

I'm not a drifter and I know it's not about speed but surely in a fair competition it's about using what is given to everyone by the game on a level playing field. Hacking together a RWD car that someone without hacking cannot acquire isn't fair, your car could be much easier to drift because of the swap and any effects it had on it.
 
However, cars here on GTP have been banned that are available to every user. Such as just about (or every) version of the 3rd gen RX-7. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this.

But I do see your point. I thought of this question a little bit ago and wondered what others thought.
 
However, cars here on GTP have been banned that are available to every user. Such as just about (or every) version of the 3rd gen RX-7. I'm not really sure where I'm going with this.

I don't know what you're talking about... what cars are banned available to every user?

A competition's rules are determined by the creator, director or organizer, and agreed upon by the participants.
Any violation of those rules is cheating, by definition.
 
I don't know what you're talking about... what cars are banned available to every user?

Yes, if you browse through the competitions in the drift section you'll find that non-hacked cars are banned from participating.

A competitions rules are determined by the creator, director or organizer, and agreed upon by the participants.
Any violation of those rules is cheating, by definition.

Which could make a hacked car not cheating by definition if one were permitted, right?
 
Yes, if you browse through the competitions in the drift section you'll find that non-hacked cars are banned from participating.



Which could make a hacked car not cheating by definition if one were permitted, right?

If they were permitted by the competition operator, yes.
 
I earned lvl 40 the hardest and slowest way possible. Winning online races. As soon I had a couple good cars. It was online only, with a few Ferrari F1 Seasonals in there just to get some quick cash.

Much slower then doing seasonals and larger A spec races. And I could give a crap who earned it the hard way or in 20 minutes. Means nothing about how good of a driver they are.
 
Which could make a hacked car not cheating by definition if one were permitted, right?
If they were permitted by the competition operator, yes.

I agree. If the operator & everyone involved in whatever competition or session, are OKAY with using hacked cars, then that's not cheating.

BUT, I would warn you, that to assume hacked cars are allowed, just because nobody specifically says they are not allowed... might be dishonest...
Reason being --> I think some people are not aware of the hacked cars. And I think some people might ASSUME it's given that they're not allowed, and might be displeased to find that someone used one without mentioning it.

In other words... best to be SURE they are indeed allowed... Don't just assume. Because some people DO take it as just a given that these cars are ALWAYS cheating.

In fact, that's what this thread discussion is (supposed to be) about.
Are the hacked cars cheating?
Some people think they are cheating just to have them. :indiff:
A lot of people seem to agree that using them sneakily online to subvert regulations, is definitely cheating... but that doesn't mean they're against people just having the hacked cars. Just that they're against using them to cheat in races with other people. 👍
Some people think their existence makes it so people will use them to cheat, so that makes them bad no matter what. 💡
Some people don't think cheating is wrong. :rolleyes:
Some people don't understand why others find cheating annoying. :boggled:

That about sums up the thread, if you didn't want to read through it anyone. :lol:
 
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