Does anyone feel like GT5 desperately needs to add cars to stay competitve?

[Biobunny]

I think that PD should make use of that "similar car" technology to create premium cars such as the Ferrari 599XX, the Ferrari FXX, and premium Rufs instead of more Miatas and GT-Rs.

 

[analog]

That's Kaz covering his ass because PD has gotten unbelievably lazy.

It wasn't a problem when previous GT games (ie. GT1 and GT2) did it because previous games actually attempted to model the differences. Not change the badges and call it a new car.

So they had meaning before and now they don't? Nonsense.

I remember that and still think it was just a "political" answer to the interviewer's question that was along the lines of "don't you think there are too many of the same model?", and Yamauchi's was probably a polite way to dismiss it as "yeah maybe you're right", although I don't believe it's been translated correctly anyway.

Don't get me wrong: I do think that when models don't exist at all (many of the EU/NA versions), are duplicate of premium cars (40 cars in total) or are supposed to portray differences that can't be felt or even seen at all in game they don't need to be included, as among other things, to a certain extent (not as much as people commonly seem to think, though) they might also cause clutter. However many people include in the latter category cars having different engines, facelifts, or models that while they share the name or even most of the exterior appearance are noticeably different than other ones from a technical standpoint, wrongly believing that modeling time increases linearly as "variations" are added. Those people don't seem to know the concept of "reuse" in software engineering and 3d modeling.

If the problem is that car that had a badge and some exterior and technical details modified doesn't qualify as a completely new model, then I wholeheartedly agree. PD should use the same terminology used for tracks. Unique models and variations of them.

Yep, you're both probably right and let's hope it does change in future GT-games and I fully agree that cars which are actually different (and which differences are actually noticeable) yet use the same model (both in real life as obviously in the game) are ofcourse justified to appear as a different car.

 

[TwIsTeD_83]

Maybe some explosions will do the job.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yes, I imagine it would be typically ran with skid recovery on, racing soft tires by kids ramming and cursing on the voice chat one against each other.

Not if you stick with the real racers on here.

I'd be up for a street race with my Supercar of choice.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> ...

Im really sick of all the GT Forza fanboy talk... Im also convinced without this crap GT5 would have been a lot better, because PD tried to hard to please the fanboys. Forza is fun a few weeks, but has nothing on the physics or longlivety of GT. 👎
OT are you serious, more cars? What GT5 needs is more tracks, actually all it ever had, Infinion, El Capitan, Grindelwald, etc, etc, etc.
GT feels incomplete without them... but if you need to talk Forza, I guess you just don't know any better.

:-!

in my opinion, they only need to add the staff (cars and tracks) that were left out from previous gt's ...however the tracks is my top priority!

Have you driven and tuned all 1,000 cars in the game and raced them competitively?

Have you driven all tracks in the game and raced them competitively?

If you answered "no" and "yes", then what this game needs is more tracks, or a track generator that could create realistic courses that don't have all blind off-camber corners.

What PD really need to do is add more tracks and better races and of course improve the AI. In terms of cars, they really need a better variety of cars. There are far too many Japanese cars especially stuff like Skylines/GTRs, MX5s, Fairlady's etc.

-> Even as a hardcore advocate of Missing Tracks throughout the history of Gran Turismo, I do share your grievances. But cars shouldn't be neglected at all, infact I'd rather see cars that went MISSING (ie. Tom's Angel, Accord Type-R, BMW 840Ci, Espace F1, Vector's, Venturi's, etc.) throughout the history first before adding new-new cars.

-> And yes, one of PD's biggest handicap in this genre is manpower.

chulyer1 -> I honestly got tired to GT5 before I try to do on what you mentioned above. On GT4, it was a different story. In question #1, my answer would be a resounding yes (driven 88% of all the cars); same goes with the tracks I'll say yes too!

Of course, we want more cars, more tracks and more events, and more all. And soon. And for free.

^ That would be GT6.

It will be a suicide if PD doesn't try to overtake Forza in this race...

^ You think PD is worried? No, they said it themselves that they don't keep an eye on their competition. But SCEI will take notice...

The Honda Life Step Van is great! They should add more vans and minivans! 👍

^ I did roll (and ROFL'ed) the Life van around the Nordschleife back in GT4, that was epic!

 

[Rotaz]

Do you think it takes 30x the time to make 30 types of the same car?

Probably not, why do you ask?

The point is, that instead of adding 30 variations of basically the same car, it would be better to make 3 different cars!

 

[chuyler1]

There is a thing in software development called "code reuse". If all you have to do is change the badges on a car and modify its HP settings to create a different car, it requires much less work compared to modeling a completely different car.

There are some big differences in how a 1.6L and 1.8L miata drive IRL...but from the outside they look the same. PD gave drivers the option to try both, with very little effort on their end.

If you think that removing 29 of the 30 variations of one model would free up time to create 29 completely different models you are sadly mistaken. It probably cost them a few hours of work to turn a single 89 Miata into 15 different versions by simply tweaking a few weight and hp settings along with some new badges. It may take months to create just one new car model...so they gave you 1,000 cars on the budget of about 300 cars. New tracks, new cars...will all end up in a new game most likely, and therefore won't come free.

If you're not interested in the vehicles currently in GT5...don't drive them. Go dish out your cash for Forza or NFS:S2 and drive the cars they have modeled. Chances are, you'll be back to GT5 for one reason or another.

 

[CSLACR]

2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am

Out of an incredible list, I'm now sold. Did not know.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

PD needs to eliminate the irrelevant cars. Want a good example? Look at the majority of garbage in the OCD. What would make GT standout would be more tracks. And not silly tracks like Cape Ring. Spa, Donington, Monza Original with Oval, Road America, ALL previous GT tracks.

But anyway...

 

[dylansan]

Garbage in the OCD? I'm buying all those classic Japanese cars, because they're some of my favorite cars in the game. Please speak for yourself on things like this. Not everyone feels the same way about those cars as you, and to suggest PD should get rid of them just because you don't like them is incredibly arrogant.

 

[DromeGT]

I say bring back cars which were in the other GT games but not in GT5 before we start talking about adding new cars.

(Make em premium as well).

 

[Hotspitta]

I think that PD should make use of that "similar car" technology to create premium cars such as the Ferrari 599XX, the Ferrari FXX, and premium Rufs instead of more Miatas and GT-Rs.

Sounds like FM4 too me.

 

[FlareKR]

Why does the Porsche brand hate us? Their cars would look better on GT5 anyway, it's not like Kaz bought a 911 Turbo for $#!ts and giggles.

 

[Krizzay]

Maybe some explosions will do the job.

Now we're talking. PD should hire Michael Bay!

 

[Risco]

No, what they need is decent AI. No point having lush cars, if all they game is going to be is a glorified demo.

 

[Spagetti69]

No, what they need is decent AI. No point having lush cars, if all they game is going to be is a glorified demo.

That's the truth.
You can have all the suits, horns, museum cards etc you want. If there's no challenge there's no game.

For me at least.

 

[Nielsen]

I don't think so. There are more than 1000 cars. It needs to sort out the inconsistency but the brand and gameplay is still strong enough to stay in competition.

 

[WJHMH]

A few more cars could be added but I'd rather have more courses than anything.

 

[FlareKR]

Now we're talking. PD should hire Michael Bay!

Micheal Boom you mean.
And don't forget cars that Transform!

 

[CSLACR]

PD needs to eliminate the irrelevant cars. Want a good example? Look at the majority of garbage in the OCD. What would make GT standout would be more tracks. And not silly tracks like Cape Ring. Spa, Donington, Monza Original with Oval, Road America, ALL previous GT tracks.

But anyway...

Agreed.

Garbage in the OCD? I'm buying all those classic Japanese cars, because they're some of my favorite cars in the game. Please speak for yourself on things like this. Not everyone feels the same way about those cars as you, and to suggest PD should get rid of them just because you don't like them is incredibly arrogant.

I think they should scrap every standard car for GT6.
It's got nothing to do with whomever else likes it, including yourself.

Wanna know why? Because these two cents are mine. Not arrogance, personal preference, and just as Dave is allowed his, you have yours, I have mine, calling someone "arrogant" for stating what they'd like to see makes your post a total failure.

 

[FlareKR]

There's only alot of JDM cars I like, but it gets to a point that when you vomit it'll be in the shape and color of Midnight Purple GT-Rs.
The game needs NEWER cars. The 05' Ford Mustang and many other cars in the premium lot are examples of that. Where's the 2011, the 302? The new SL65 AMG? Infiniti's, Scions, hell there are still premium Toyotas from fricken 2007!

 

[dylansan]

I think they should scrap every standard car for GT6.
It's got nothing to do with whomever else likes it, including yourself.

Wanna know why? Because these two cents are mine. Not arrogance, personal preference, and just as Dave is allowed his, you have yours, I have mine, calling someone "arrogant" for stating what they'd like to see makes your post a total failure.

Not liking the cars is an opinion. Thinking PD should get rid of them because you don't like them is technically still an opinion, but a terribly misguided, and definitely arrogant one.

What you'd like to see would make the game ten times worse for me and anyone who likes those cars. If you don't like them, don't drive them, don't look at them, or better yet give suggestions that wouldn't ruin other people's fun. It's as arrogant as saying "I think you should play the game the way I like to play it." Yes it's an opinion, but it's also an intention to force others into your opinion. Of course, PD doesn't care if you don't like them. They're not going to get rid of them no matter how many people want them to because getting rid of them adds nothing to the game, it only takes away from it.

BTW, you can't get mad at me for calling that opinion arrogant. It is just my opinion after all.

 

[Large74]

It doesn't matter if there's 1000 cars in the game when 800 of them look horrible and doesn't have interior view. I didn't exactly wait 5 years just to buy all same gt4 cars again. No new DTMs or european sedans, and much more is missing. Sadly they didn't take the old gt4 tracks, I would give all the crappy standards away to get apricot hill in the game.

 

[FlareKR]

It doesn't matter if there's 1000 cars in the game when 800 of them look horrible and doesn't have interior view. I didn't exactly wait 5 years just to buy all same gt4 cars again. No new DTMs or european sedans, and much more is missing. Sadly they didn't take the old gt4 tracks, I would give all the crappy standards away to get apricot hill in the game.

Like I said, there are very few new cars in the game. It's as if as though you are playing with cars from 7 years ago in a modern game - oh wait - it is, silly me !

 

[CSLACR]

Not liking the cars is an opinion. Thinking PD should get rid of them because you don't like them is technically still an opinion, but a terribly misguided, and definitely arrogant one.

What you'd like to see would make the game ten times worse for me and anyone who likes those cars. If you don't like them, don't drive them, don't look at them, or better yet give suggestions that wouldn't ruin other people's fun. It's as arrogant as saying "I think you should play the game the way I like to play it." Yes it's an opinion, but it's also an intention to force others into your opinion. Of course, PD doesn't care if you don't like them. They're not going to get rid of them no matter how many people want them to because getting rid of them adds nothing to the game, it only takes away from it.

BTW, you can't get mad at me for calling that opinion arrogant. It is just my opinion after all.

Actually I can, though anger is pretty far from my current state of mind. Humored would be closer to it.

What you'd like to see would make the game ten times worse for me and anyone who likes those cars. If you don't like them, don't drive them, don't look at them, or better yet give suggestions that wouldn't ruin other people's fun.

Tired argument, and despite holding no regard for anyone else's opinion, you actually demand I do what you think I should do, at the risk of your enjoyment? Life just doesn't work that way, sorry.
It's got nothing to do with liking the cars for me, it's the improper modeling most of them carry (and keep carrying) through more GT games. I would rather have 400 properly modeled cars over 800 poorly modeled coupled with 200 properly modeled.

Not liking the cars is an opinion. Thinking PD should get rid of them because you don't like them is technically still an opinion, but a terribly misguided, and definitely arrogant one.

It's not arrogant, it's what is requested by some players.

It's as arrogant as saying "I think you should play the game the way I like to play it.

Which sounds eerily familiar...

If you don't like them, don't drive them

So it's wrong for someone else to hope modeling of cars from up to 10 years ago disappears, but it's ok to tell someone they should just "ignore" 80% of the games cars?

No my friend, you are setting a double standard for yourself.

Anyway, for the OP, I don't think they need to "add" cars, but rather "car variety", and tracks, it's toss up between the great tracks missing and the great cars, one without the other is like cake that can't be eaten.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Like I said, there are very few new cars in the game. It's as if as though you are playing with cars from 7 years ago in a modern game - oh wait - it is, silly me !

LOL you speak the truth yet people will claim that you're being a baby over it. This is so true that we are just basically playing with rehashed cars that were only carried over from GT4 and GTPSP. How about getting with the times and redoing cars or better yet, quit making a big deal about car numbers and how about different unique cars. I'd rather see different cars but I guess I'll have to go buy FM4 and stop complaining about my favorite car game. I think people don't realize that most of us complain cause we want to see our favorite race game be the best we know it can be.

 

[Ghost Rydor]

Question: Does anyone feel like GT5 desperately needs to add cars to stay competitve?

Answer: Competitive with what? Is there another game that even offers the depth of variety and sheer numbers of cars? No. So no.

Thread ended.

 

[FlareKR]

LOL you speak the truth yet people will claim that you're being a baby over it. This is so true that we are just basically playing with rehashed cars that were only carried over from GT4 and GTPSP. How about getting with the times and redoing cars or better yet, quit making a big deal about car numbers and how about different unique cars. I'd rather see different cars but I guess I'll have to go buy FM4 and stop complaining about my favorite car game. I think people don't realize that most of us complain cause we want to see our favorite race game be the best we know it can be.

Haha, I know. I would like to have as many cars as possible, be my guest the more the merrier, I don't really care about standard or premium, I just drive and tune for the fun, experience and competition of it. (although I WOULD LIKE MY VEYRON f:censored:ing PREMIUM!! Dammit PD!). What ticks me is that - yeah - the bring in all the old we like, but the new is very little. In Japanese tradition, they not only bring in the old, but breath in new life to it "shusha sentaku no myou" (when translated means taking the best and leaving the rest). It's our jobs (American's) to be the lazy ones and get money from selling people $#!t.
What really bothers me is that GT5 is an incredible game nonetheless. There's still sooo many cars I have yet to drive, even from GT4, but the fun factor isn't present to most people unless you're OBSESSED with GT5. I admit I am. But as greatly I am praising the game, it needs to have it's share fair of criticizing as well, or else the evolution of the real driving simulator will be put in park (or reverse!).

 

[dylansan]

Actually I can, though anger is pretty far from my current state of mind. Humored would be closer to it.

Tired argument, and despite holding no regard for anyone else's opinion, you actually demand I do what you think I should do, at the risk of your enjoyment? Life just doesn't work that way, sorry.
It's got nothing to do with liking the cars for me, it's the improper modeling most of them carry (and keep carrying) through more GT games. I would rather have 400 properly modeled cars over 800 poorly modeled coupled with 200 properly modeled.

It's not arrogant, it's what is requested by some players.

Which sounds eerily familiar...
So it's wrong for someone else to hope modeling of cars from up to 10 years ago disappears, but it's ok to tell someone they should just "ignore" 80% of the games cars?

No my friend, you are setting a double standard for yourself.

Anyway, for the OP, I don't think they need to "add" cars, but rather "car variety", and tracks, it's toss up between the great tracks missing and the great cars, one without the other is like cake that can't be eaten.

"If you don't like them, don't drive them" is the only way for someone who doesn't like the cars to not be bothered by them. You can drive them if you want, but I would suggest that if you don't want to drive them that you don't.

And you didn't mention anything about replacing those cars with better modeled premium ones. In fact, you say you'd rather 400 premiums than 200 premiums and 800 standards, but that's not currently an option. The standards are already modeled and they can't delete them and get their time back to model new ones. The cars have already been modeled and ported, and I suspect it will take very little time to port them into GT6 if they decide not to make them premium.

My point is, they wouldn't gain anything from scrapping them because they're already in game, so if you want 200 more premiums, they might as well model them and keep the standards because that gives us the most content without screwing people like me out of their favorite cars.

You are entitled to your opinion, and if you would rather more premiums than keeping the standards, that's certainly not arrogant, but it is irrelevant, because it already happened. If GT6 comes out relatively soon, they won't have time to model all the Standards as premiums, but they will be able to port them over very easily without wasting time because it wouldn't be that different from GT5. If it comes out later, they'd have more time to model a lot more premiums, and the game will be different enough that the Standards take more time to import, which will probably force them to make many of them Premium and scrap the rest. But scrapping 800 Standards for 200 Premiums doesn't seem likely to me. I have a feeling they'll take their time and make most or all of the Standards Premium by the time GT6 comes out.

Sorry if I misunderstood you the first time. It wasn't clear in your post that you wanted them replaced by anything, just that you wanted them gone with no benefit, which made me think your only reason was that you didn't like them. (I maintain that that position is still quite arrogant, and it's one I see more often than I would like). If you intended something like what I wrote in the above paragraph, that's a perfectly fair opinion. If DaveTheStalker feels the same way, that's good too, but it isn't clear in his post either, so I really hope he doesn't think getting rid of them for the sake of getting rid of them is a good idea. (It's also ironic that he wants to get rid of the ported cars, but want them to port over the old tracks, unless he means totally redoing those tracks, which I would agree with).

 

[Tornado]

Tired argument, and despite holding no regard for anyone else's opinion, you actually demand I do what you think I should do, at the risk of your enjoyment? Life just doesn't work that way, sorry.
It's got nothing to do with liking the cars for me, it's the improper modeling most of them carry (and keep carrying) through more GT games. I would rather have 400 properly modeled cars over 800 poorly modeled coupled with 200 properly modeled.

It's not arrogant, it's what is requested by some players.

Which sounds eerily familiar...
So it's wrong for someone else to hope modeling of cars from up to 10 years ago disappears, but it's ok to tell someone they should just "ignore" 80% of the games cars?

No my friend, you are setting a double standard for yourself.

Actually, no. The arguments are completely different.
Ignore the standard cars and everyone wins. Remove the Standard cars and the game becomes tailor-made for those that don't like them rather than enjoyable by everyone but those who can't play the game unless they are told how to.



You don't like Standards? Don't use them. Someone else likes Standards? They get to use them.

Look at your argument: You don't like Standards? Take them out. Someone else like Standards? Too bad.





What you are saying is no different (and no less arrogant) from those guys who bang on about why licence tests should be made required again and to hell with everyone who doesn't like doing them, even though there is nothing stopping the people who like doing them from doing them when they are optional.