Does anyone feel like GT5 desperately needs to add cars to stay competitve?
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- Phillguy
I'm supposed to believe that the PS3 wouldn't be able to render a texture on a car just because it was user created? Why? Because you said so?
Fun fact: With several file formats (Bitmap, Targa, etc.), it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever what is on the picture. The picture is the same file size and takes the same amount of resources to look at, and the only thing that determines how large it is are the physical dimensions of it (a 256 x 256 32bit Bitmap is always 256Kb).
This is a fairly complex 512 x 512 bitmap texture map for a somewhat older game.
This is a 512 x 512 gray box.
Despite the obvious complexity disparity, both of them are exactly 1MB.
In fact, if what you are saying was true, and the PS3 is so lacking in memory that it can't display different textures, then every texture would have to be hard coded onto each car to save on memory and the paint chip system would be impossible.
Like none of the textures aren't compressed at all... no this technology DOESN'T exist.
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- Tetsumura
- Nigel Fox
I know a number of you guys are starved to see some fave missing ride in GT5, but these cars also need tracks to race on.
Frankly, I think GT5's track list is pretty darn cool. The main problem with them is that they just aren't being used in enough varieties in enough events. And both the A-Spec and B-Spec series are trimmed back severely from what we have in GT4. There are a few race "series" which have ONE RACE! I'm still baffled about this. It's like Kaz was afraid not many would want to try B-Spec racing unless A-Spec was short sheeted. But it seems to me that a good number of those people just go online anyway, rather than mess with a racing mode they don't care for. The online Special Events are nice and all, but we "desperately need" more A-Spec Events, and an offline Event Maker, complete with prizes and that dreaded XP. We were almost promised that.
I'm going to agree that adding some new cars to the stable would be a good thing, but not "desperately needed." Guys, if you can't find forty cars that tickle your pleasure center among the Premiums, I think there's something wrong with you. And I have hundreds of Standard cars to pick through and experience, since I love the things.
I also agree that PD should be doing some conversions of Standard to Premium, but you have to understand that this is as much as a six man-month process. This is the standard Kaz has set now, so you either live with it or bail. And this means that new Prems aren't going to be showing up in the hundreds any time soon. And they should at least have blacked out interiors - maybe with illuminated dials - to satisfy the hardcore driver view fiends.
I want a Livery Editor and additional bodykits in the worst way too. And far more Race Mod options. But this may have to wait for GT6, sadly.
I want new tracks more than new cars, at least to the Standard track level. I really want to race on Grindelwald and Red Rock Valley, something that I've been harping on since 2005. El Capitain too. Trial Mountain looks fine to me, and I haven't seen too much complaining about it.
I think these other things are much more needed right now than new cars, or updated Premiums, but that's just one fan's opinion.
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- spagetti69
cooldawn
I agree with your point.
Do you think how ever that PD will prefer to upgrade the standard tracks first. To bring them up to the Nurburgrings standard.
That's a lot of work.
PD need to work on getting what they have up to a universal standard first.
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
Hmmm, good points sir, I forgot about looking at it that way. It's true - I've been sitting at the same completion level for months now (just 5 A-Spec Enduros away from 100%), and because 8/10 of the cars in the game are carryovers, even with the different physics of GT5, I haven't been interested in driving many Standards save for a few personal favourites (E46, '73 GT-R, '70 Galant, 22B).
For someone like me who spends 99% of the time driving Premium cars (love my cockpit view, therefor only use Standard cars for specific online events for which there aren't enough Premium candidates, when I suddenly develop an urge to 4-wheel drift my Jay Leno Tank Car/drive other unique cars or when I'm in a retro-mood) a few more additions will significantly prolong its lifespan and keep it interesting for me, as there's only so much differently coloured, differently trimmed, differently tuned, etc. variations you can own of the Premium selection before it starts to become a deja vu (purely talking about driving them, each online race is different and keeps the experience fresh), and that's coming from someone who currently owns about 315 or so Premium cars.
Also good point - I own 335 Premiums, and while I've had fun driving nearly all of them, a good chunk of them are attempts at replicas of cars that aren't available in game (Gallardo Superleggera, M3 GTS, '11 Challenger, etc etc). But even that gets old after time... and it's not quite the same as actually having new stuff.
The casual gamer won't have that 'problem' very soon and the new Platinum GT5 customers (whether casual, returning fans or future fans) still have a lot of time to play before they reach that point (and will perhaps postpone the purchase of DLC until then).
And another thing, I too am a casual player of certain games which only kept my interest for a short while before I moved on to another title, I've yet to be persuaded to return playing those games even when I'm aware that since then tons of DLC were added (which obviously I haven't bought).
Really? Because I hopped all over Fat Princess when the DLC came out, and I had pretty much dropped the game before that!
I see your points though, all make sense, and I should've thought it through a bit more. I guess "desperately", as in the thread title, is a bit extreme, but it certainly could benefit from the additions. I just wish they'd actually give us some info, because I'm planning on dropping nearly $400 to pick up their biggest competitor in about 7 weeks...
This, this, a thousand times this. I can have fantastic drives all day long from cockpit view on a 24H, time-and-weather-changing 'Ring (and I really can't stress fantastic enough), but if I move to Trial Mountain in a Standard model...
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- spagetti69
analog
Has you tried it in arcade mode against AI?
Is there something funky going on.
I remember a B-spec race around Monaco which the AI continually crashed at the chicane after the tunnel.
Historic race if I remember correctly. Might be patched now.
Maybe there's AI issues or something. There's plenty of tracks not used in A-spec races.
Other tracks are continually used. Rome, Tsukuba, Tokyo R2D2 or what ever it's called.
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Don't know why, perhaps we try to find logic when there is none.
Also, Tokyo R2D2 doesn't like to be referred to as a track, he's a proud robot who's also sick of endless Star Wars jokes as he can't help being named the way he is.
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- redpiramydk
gran turismo 5 feels like the GT (psp version) with simulation mode but without tracks lol , really gt5 have so many cars, but it starts to feel old, 50% of cars are from 90s and 2000-2004, and they need to choose better cars, we have (yea a lot of japanese street cars) a PREMIUM suzuki but we dont have a F50, or... DIABLO SV, ENZO FXX, REVENTON, KOENIGSEGG (GGG?), MClaren F1 GTR... EUROPEAN TOURING CARS (like SEAT, BMW, ASTON MARTIN...).
(lol a dream), can you imagine an online race with: FERRARI ENZO FXX VS MASERATI MC12 VS REVENTON VS VEYRON SS VS KOENIGSEGG CCX R VS ZONDA R VS MCLAREN F1 GTR VS VIPER ACR VS... in RED ROCK VALLEY!
I understand that making PREMIUM cars need their time cause they dont have the enough people...
everything will be the same if PD dont get more people to work...
(lol a dream), can you imagine an online race with: FERRARI ENZO FXX VS MASERATI MC12 VS REVENTON VS VEYRON SS VS KOENIGSEGG CCX R VS ZONDA R VS MCLAREN F1 GTR VS VIPER ACR VS... in RED ROCK VALLEY!
I understand that making PREMIUM cars need their time cause they dont have the enough people...
everything will be the same if PD dont get more people to work...
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- spagetti69
Sorry R2, I love you.
shirakawaa
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Yes, I imagine it would be typically ran with skid recovery on, racing soft tires by kids ramming and cursing on the voice chat one against each other.
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shirakawaa
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LOL YOU ARE SAYING THAT ONLINE SUCKS!
all online games are full of them
No, I'm not saying that. By avoiding high pp rooms using typical "Top Gear" cars that attract a certain demographics, most of the time I'm able to avoid them. I don't feel I'm losing much; besides, I don't like much driving those cars anyway, so whether they will be included or not in next patches or DLC I won't care (or complain if they will).
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- sprplay
Yeah, I somehow feel the same. Even if there are tons of duplicates (Miatas & co.) for me there is enough variety. Even tuning 400-500 cars to my needs is more work as I could ever carry out.
If I had the choice for more content to be released, I would urge more for a better track variety. Not only real racing circuits like the ones mentioned often (SPA, Silverstone etc.) but also a decent amount of fictional tracks.
Some mountains, a lovely ride along a coastline, gravel tracks through a forest, ...
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Sure I would like to have more cars but. for competition, I think that some minor, but important, adjustments and the online leaderboards should be the priority.
shirakawaa
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Kaz recently mentioned himself there were probably too many variations of the same model in hindsight, and he said that those variations had some meaning (whatever he meant by that) when they first started out but now seem mostly irrelevant.
So I'm guessing we won't see as many variations (by which I mean small differences between models only noticed by a true connaisseur) in the future Premium selection making the whole argument of 6000 Skylines, etc. irrelevant to use anymore since it's obviously only still apparant in the selection of Standard cars which, hopefully, won't be carried over again.
Okay, some Premium cars (both Suzuki Swifts for example) are still barely distinguishable but you know, old habits die slowly...
So I'm guessing we won't see as many variations (by which I mean small differences between models only noticed by a true connaisseur) in the future Premium selection making the whole argument of 6000 Skylines, etc. irrelevant to use anymore since it's obviously only still apparant in the selection of Standard cars which, hopefully, won't be carried over again.
Okay, some Premium cars (both Suzuki Swifts for example) are still barely distinguishable but you know, old habits die slowly...
dylansan
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I don't think it means they won't carry them over in the next game (I don't see why they wouldn't if they're already modeled), but I doubt they'll be modeling quite so many similar cars in the future. I am confident that GT6 will feature all the cars of GT5 in premium form, but don't quote me on that because no one can know that.
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Ford Granada 2.8:idea:
shirakawaa
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So they had meaning before and now they don't? Nonsense.analog
I remember that and still think it was just a "political" answer to the interviewer's question that was along the lines of "don't you think there are too many of the same model?", and Yamauchi's was probably a polite way to dismiss it as "yeah maybe you're right", although I don't believe it's been translated correctly anyway.
Don't get me wrong: I do think that when models don't exist at all (many of the EU/NA versions), are duplicate of premium cars (40 cars in total) or are supposed to portray differences that can't be felt or even seen at all in game they don't need to be included, as among other things, to a certain extent (not as much as people commonly seem to think, though) they might also cause clutter. However many people include in the latter category cars having different engines, facelifts, or models that while they share the name or even most of the exterior appearance are noticeably different than other ones from a technical standpoint, wrongly believing that modeling time increases linearly as "variations" are added. Those people don't seem to know the concept of "reuse" in software engineering and 3d modeling.
If the problem is that car that had a badge and some exterior and technical details modified doesn't qualify as a completely new model, then I wholeheartedly agree. PD should use the same terminology used for tracks. Unique models and variations of them.
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