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J_Starscream
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- Anglo-Swiss
- J_Starscream
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- VLX_CJohn
I think it was around after 3 hours were done?
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- Osaka
- CWM_NoirAntares
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- Australia
- StigsTC
Ok so I might have gone a bit overboard there, so I'll clarify what I meant about having plenty of time.
Firstly - your previous photos were fine, the camera was not the issue.
When we deployed the Safety Car, you were the first car in the queue thus you were the first car in the line to stop on the Grid under Red Flag. As per Section 7.3, specifically article 7.3.4: "Once Drivers have parked their Car on the Grid, they must record their screen by taking a digital photograph or a screen capture."
The Stint photos we have from all teams range from 2:48:35 to 2:50:13, a spread of about a minute and a half. The lobby was open for longer than this time, and people were allowed to stay on track to make sure they got their photo. This was still 10 minutes before you had planned to end your stint. Because the race was suspended you had time to check the photo, and make sure it was good.
When joining the track where you only have 10 seconds to get it right I'd agree, but in this situation there was no real time pressure to get the photo which is why we were greatly frustrated.
Refer to Section 3.6 of the Regulations, titled "Flags" on page 7 - (link)So its just that I didn't pay attention to basic race proceedures. Can either @StigsTC, @Sinyster, or @Peelster1 provide a list of basic messages used in the events, such as 'VSC' or 'BOX' that kind of thing, or can you show me where I can find them easier. I'm not the best at reading.
BOX exists when we join a lobby to make sure we can see when a Driver has loaded to pit lane, to make sure everyone can see them on Track.
VSC, or Virtual Safety Car is a way to neutralise the Race immediately without waiting for a Safety Car to catch everyone. When there is a large crash in the final sector, this is important.
For full details refer to Section 3.6 of the Regulations, titled "Flags" on page 7 - (link)
There was only one (1) Red Flag at 2:48 into the race.
It lasted 1:40 as our first attempt at creating a New Lobby was unsuccessful, as @Antares26 correctly indicated, due to persisting visibility issues.
It occurred because Stewards could not see all cars on Track, and it was clear the Lobby was failing.
We are just finalising some details and we'll have Event information all posted by this evening.
I think that's everything for now lol.
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- Essex
- CWM_StormPacer
All of this talk is pointing to one very important thing... a bit more time and effort needs to be put in by a lot of teams, NOT on the racing aspect, but the procedures in place that give you a correct representation of how your team is progressing during a race.
Yes, its important to have the best car and ability you can bring to the races, but if you're messing up stint photos, driver swaps and other track procedures then you're effectively puttig everything else in jeopardy. Heck, I put a potential race win out of contention by driving into the pits during VSC, that's MY fault and MY job to assure that it doesn't happen again by considering what I have to do for MYSELF AND MY TEAM. I dun' messed up good but our team got 90% of its other processes spot on because we worked on them... remember QP1 at Motegi? CWM doing a driver swap every 10 mins? We binned that session to focus on getting the stint photos and driver swaps done correctly. Focus people..
Yes, its important to have the best car and ability you can bring to the races, but if you're messing up stint photos, driver swaps and other track procedures then you're effectively puttig everything else in jeopardy. Heck, I put a potential race win out of contention by driving into the pits during VSC, that's MY fault and MY job to assure that it doesn't happen again by considering what I have to do for MYSELF AND MY TEAM. I dun' messed up good but our team got 90% of its other processes spot on because we worked on them... remember QP1 at Motegi? CWM doing a driver swap every 10 mins? We binned that session to focus on getting the stint photos and driver swaps done correctly. Focus people..
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- Morrow, OH
- DRR_Sinyster
- Sinyster Plague
Absolutely fantastically said. Great example, your team, Storm.
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- RoadRageDudez
Just curious on the min and max drive times, unless they are still the same.
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- CWM_NoirAntares
Not sure about the minimum driving time but I know the maximum driving time increases with longer race lengths. Try and look it up on the appendices of the sporting regulations, iirc that's where it's listed.
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- Australia
- StigsTC
OKAY IT IS (At long last) TIME TO ANNOUNCE ACTUAL DETAILS FOR THE NURBURGRING 12 HOURS!
Teams Currently Registered:
The Humble Guys
MWM Racers Collective
Harsk Racing Series Community
Starscream Enterprises
Hyperion Racing
Dragon+Razong Racing
Tarmac Overdose Racing
Venator Racing
Could all Teams who have Registered, please go about providing us with:
(BEFORE QP)
Drivers List
Spotter's Guide Photo
Preferred Number (For Silvia TC Teams only)
Preferred QP Session
Number of Drivers attending each QP Session
(BEFORE RACE)
Starting Grid side preference
Starting Driver
To all Teams who haven't Registered yet, please PM us in your respective chats and indicate your intent to race as well as the above information.
Any new Teams who haven't registered yet but would like to take part, please message myself (@StigsTC), @Sinyster and @Peelster1 and we'll get you sorted out and ready to race.
Updated in Post #2 and Post #3 of this thread:
Sporting Regulations v1.02
N12h Drive Time Limits
N12h BoP for TCN class
Safety Car Speed
Track Map
Event Schedule
Entry List, Spotter's Guide will be updated around Qualifying.
QP Results, Grid, Race Control Notices will be updated after Qualifying.
Teams Currently Registered:
The Humble Guys
MWM Racers Collective
Harsk Racing Series Community
Starscream Enterprises
Hyperion Racing
Dragon+Razong Racing
Tarmac Overdose Racing
Venator Racing
Could all Teams who have Registered, please go about providing us with:
(BEFORE QP)
Drivers List
Spotter's Guide Photo
Preferred Number (For Silvia TC Teams only)
Preferred QP Session
Number of Drivers attending each QP Session
(BEFORE RACE)
Starting Grid side preference
Starting Driver
To all Teams who haven't Registered yet, please PM us in your respective chats and indicate your intent to race as well as the above information.
Any new Teams who haven't registered yet but would like to take part, please message myself (@StigsTC), @Sinyster and @Peelster1 and we'll get you sorted out and ready to race.
Updated in Post #2 and Post #3 of this thread:
Sporting Regulations v1.02
Articles updated between version 1.01 and version 1.02
1.3.3
3.1.11
3.3.3
4.1.10
5.2.4
5.2.5
5.2.6
5.2.7
5.2.8
5.2.9
5.2.10
5.2.11
5.2.12
5.2.13
5.2.14
5.2.15
6.1.13
6.1.16
6.1.25
6.1.26
7.1.4
7.1.5
7.1.6
7.5.2
Appendix 5: Penalty Guidelines
1.3.3
3.1.11
3.3.3
4.1.10
5.2.4
5.2.5
5.2.6
5.2.7
5.2.8
5.2.9
5.2.10
5.2.11
5.2.12
5.2.13
5.2.14
5.2.15
6.1.13
6.1.16
6.1.25
6.1.26
7.1.4
7.1.5
7.1.6
7.5.2
Appendix 5: Penalty Guidelines
N12h Drive Time Limits
N12h BoP for TCN class
Safety Car Speed
Track Map
Event Schedule
Entry List, Spotter's Guide will be updated around Qualifying.
QP Results, Grid, Race Control Notices will be updated after Qualifying.
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- Morrow, OH
- DRR_Sinyster
- Sinyster Plague
Also, with @StigsTC's announcement, I would like to announce to the following teams who are currently registered to be taking place in next month's 12h Endurance Event, their vehicles!!
CAR___________________NUM._________________TEAM_____________________MANAGER
Toyota Altezza ________ #10 _______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx_______xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Toyota Altezza ________ #24 _______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx_______xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Toyota Altezza ________ #35 _________ Clockwork Motorsports _______ @Storm_SP17
Toyota Altezza ________ #40 ____________ Hyperion Racing _________________ @Ph1sher
Honda S2000 _________ #13 __________ MWM Racers Collective __________ @andrew1990
Honda S2000 _________ #61 __________ Dragon+Razor Racing _______________ @Sinyster
Honda S2000 _________ #30 ________ Speed Demon Motorsport _________ @RoadRageDudez
Nissan Silvia S15 ______ #26 ____________ The Humble Guys _______________ @THGTS040
Nissan Silvia S15 ______xxxx_________ Starscream Enterprises __________ @J_Starscream
Nissan Silvia S15 ______xxxx_________ Tarmac Overdose Racing _____________ @Cobra75
Nissan Silvia S15 ______xxxx_____________ Venator Racing _________________ @sprintr64
Spoon S2000 _________ #95 _______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx_______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Also, keep in mind these car choices are final. The missing spots are reserved for other teams who sign up later, in order of Team 1, Team 2, etc..
These cars were sorted to teams through random.org, to avoid bias.
CAR___________________NUM._________________TEAM_____________________MANAGER
Toyota Altezza ________ #10 _______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx_______xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Toyota Altezza ________ #24 _______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx_______xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Toyota Altezza ________ #35 _________ Clockwork Motorsports _______ @Storm_SP17
Toyota Altezza ________ #40 ____________ Hyperion Racing _________________ @Ph1sher
Honda S2000 _________ #13 __________ MWM Racers Collective __________ @andrew1990
Honda S2000 _________ #61 __________ Dragon+Razor Racing _______________ @Sinyster
Honda S2000 _________ #30 ________ Speed Demon Motorsport _________ @RoadRageDudez
Nissan Silvia S15 ______ #26 ____________ The Humble Guys _______________ @THGTS040
Nissan Silvia S15 ______xxxx_________ Starscream Enterprises __________ @J_Starscream
Nissan Silvia S15 ______xxxx_________ Tarmac Overdose Racing _____________ @Cobra75
Nissan Silvia S15 ______xxxx_____________ Venator Racing _________________ @sprintr64
Spoon S2000 _________ #95 _______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx_______xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Also, keep in mind these car choices are final. The missing spots are reserved for other teams who sign up later, in order of Team 1, Team 2, etc..
These cars were sorted to teams through random.org, to avoid bias.
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- RoadRageDudez
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- Morrow, OH
- DRR_Sinyster
- Sinyster Plague
While you have shown interest, we need an official message in your team thread saying your team wishes to race.Thats what I'm wondering? I thought we'd be put up on here (unless the probation). If there is something I'm now knowing which might be the reason why my team wasn't put up here, someone is gonna have to do some explaining. >
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- United States
- RoadRageDudez
J_Starscream
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- Anglo-Swiss
- J_Starscream
Is there anywhere to find something about minimum drivers needed for a race. It says in the Sporting Regulations that they are provided in the Event Supplementary Regulations. 👍
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- Morrow, OH
- DRR_Sinyster
- Sinyster Plague
I don't know if I posted it publicly, but the minimum driver limit for this upcoming race is 2 drivers, max is 4.
J_Starscream
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- J_Starscream
- 3,506
- Essex
- CWM_StormPacer
Not sure I posted this publicly, but this is going to be 🤬 awesome!
- 3,506
- Essex
- CWM_StormPacer
I hate double stacking comments... but how harshly are stint photos examined? I just feel that the right time to take the pic is when you're static in the box, but others tend to (especially during Swaps) do theirs on the approach to save time... or to narrowly avoid breaching the 4 in 6 rule.
Call me a little untrusting, but if I'm feeling the urge to do it on the approach to save time but decide against it, then I can't help but feel that others might not be so keen to adhere to their conscience.
Call me a little untrusting, but if I'm feeling the urge to do it on the approach to save time but decide against it, then I can't help but feel that others might not be so keen to adhere to their conscience.
J_Starscream
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- Anglo-Swiss
- J_Starscream
I'll admit I do mine on the approach as a way of saving time. If that's looked down on then I won't do it in the future
- 2,455
- Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Greece
- VLX_CJohn
Me too, I admit. That's why some images of mine have bad quality; I tend to be in a hurry.
- 3,506
- Essex
- CWM_StormPacer
I'll admit that I've only started being more mindful about this since the Daytona 24 and Bathurst 12 events earlier this year.
It's not like I'm digging people out, I can't blame them since competition is so intense... it was just a little something I wanted to shed light on.
It's not like I'm digging people out, I can't blame them since competition is so intense... it was just a little something I wanted to shed light on.
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- montreal
- l_maxx_pain_l
i'm waiting to be stopped in my pit, and i'm lazy, sometime i take 2 pictures to be sure have 1 good.
Sometime i go pee when i stop for tire change....
Dont stress yourself all of time, you need to be relax and lazy short lap of time during a 3 hours/2 hours of full intense consentration.
Sometime i go pee when i stop for tire change....
Dont stress yourself all of time, you need to be relax and lazy short lap of time during a 3 hours/2 hours of full intense consentration.
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