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[StigsTC]

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE!
We are delighted to announce a few more details of the upcoming Le Mans 24 Hours.
Dates:
Race: 2pm GMT (3pm France Time) Saturday 17th of December (Finishing 2pm GMT Sunday)
Qualifying: We will hold 4 sessions across Saturday the 10th and Sunday the 11th.
BoP will be released shortly, however we need some definite team in/outs so we can assign cars and get everyone underway with testing for the race.
Please confirm interest/team participation as soon as possible in your team chats.
For Drivers without a Team or Teams short a Driver let us know and we can set people up and help out filling rosters so we don't have people willing to race that don't get to.
If we get enough Drivers without a Team we may just form a new Team for them to get them on the grid and racing if there aren't any openings on an existing teams.

KEY RULE CHANGE
With the next rules update for Le Mans we are planning to change the definition of Track Limits from 4 wheels between the white lines to 2 complete tyres on or between the white lines. This means 2 whole tyres must be between the outside edges of the white lines that boarder the circuit, not just touching the white lines.
At Le Mans there are places where the white lines are not attached to the curbs, so the supplementary regulations will define those in detail, but for now in case we don't get those out before we give BoP and Cars so people are practicing - just make sure to keep 2 wheels on the track side of a curb. Running all 4 on the curb is not acceptable.

 

[StigsTC]

Why a Probation for PRT Competition?

Lots of administrative errors which a Team Manager should be on top of.

Team Managers submit Pre-Race info to officials so we can do what we need to do.
They let their rookies know they have to qualify, or at least let Stewards know that their Rookie is busy and cannot qualify in the sessions scheduled.
They should have either told their drivers or reminded them to submit their pics right after a stint.
They are responsible for planning the Race Strategy such that they conform to the regulations at play.

Otherwise the team only made 5 on track Warnings with no penalties hence no Drivers were put on Probation, just the team, as the Team Manager is responsible for their Team.

 

[andrew1990]

MWM obviously in for this!

 

[Sinyster]

MWM obviously in for this!

#banned


jk

 

[DaGiBUS]

#banned


jk

i think there's gonna be some rage on the road about that one!

trigger warning

 

[RoadRageDudez]

i think there's gonna be some rage on the road about that one!

Are you trying to use bits of my name without even trying? I'm triggered mister XD

 

[DaGiBUS]

Are you trying to use bits of my name without even trying? I'm triggered mister XD

apologies, I have added a trigger warning.

 

[MonGnoM]

Lots of administrative errors which a Team Manager should be on top of.

Team Managers submit Pre-Race info to officials so we can do what we need to do.
They let their rookies know they have to qualify, or at least let Stewards know that their Rookie is busy and cannot qualify in the sessions scheduled.
They should have either told their drivers or reminded them to submit their pics right after a stint.
They are responsible for planning the Race Strategy such that they conform to the regulations at play.

Otherwise the team only made 5 on track Warnings with no penalties hence no Drivers were put on Probation, just the team, as the Team Manager is responsible for their Team.

Ok thank you very much sir.

 

[epic_apri_39]

What day/time is the Roadster event?

 

[o0Maxx0o]

Any word on when we might get the cars or BOP?

 

[Sinyster]

Due to the low number of teams we are delaying the event, however we are running a shortened event open to all teams as a preliminary qualifier to LM24 whereby winning teams automatically qualify for the 24 hour event and may choose to keep their car or re-randomise for the 24 hour event. We will be sending EACH team an invite within the next 24 hours to participate in our preliminary event.

As for BoP, we have the numbers, and will post them up sometime tomorrow for everyone to see.

Sorry for the lack of communication on our end to you all, real life events came up and complicated the communication processes, for lack of better words.

 

[RoadRageDudez]

Due to the low number of teams we are delaying the event, however we are running a shortened event open to all teams as a preliminary qualifier to LM24 whereby winning teams automatically qualify for the 24 hour event and may choose to keep their car or re-randomise for the 24 hour event. We will be sending EACH team an invite within the next 24 hours to participate in our preliminary event.

As for BoP, we have the numbers, and will post them up sometime tomorrow for everyone to see.

Sorry for the lack of communication on our end to you all, real life events came up and complicated the communication processes, for lack of better words.

Didn't expext to see a low team count entered.. I would enter SDM back if I wasn't suspended.

 

[Kjeld Lund]

Due to the low number of teams we are delaying the event, however we are running a shortened event open to all teams as a preliminary qualifier to LM24 whereby winning teams automatically qualify for the 24 hour event and may choose to keep their car or re-randomise for the 24 hour event. We will be sending EACH team an invite within the next 24 hours to participate in our preliminary event.

As for BoP, we have the numbers, and will post them up sometime tomorrow for everyone to see.

Sorry for the lack of communication on our end to you all, real life events came up and complicated the communication processes, for lack of better words.

And if one does not take part in the Mazda race?

 

[StigsTC]

So the event is to be a shortened 6 Hours of Le Mans '05, however using the 2005 layout instead of the 2013 layout (2005 has no weather/time change, while 2013 does) because its a rare opportunity to visit Le Mans and use a somewhat period accurate version of the circuit based on the cars we have selected.
Qualifying will be on the Friday night (16th) and morning of Saturday of the 17th, with the race will be held on the afternoon/evening of the 17th, which is morning of the 18th for Australia.
We will be using the same cars as we plan to for the LM24, with the same BoP (unless its clear something is wrong), with the top 2 in LMP and GTS being automatically qualified for the LM24 in January.
The teams that auto qualify can keep their car, or can go back into the randomiser for the LM24 if they so choose to.
Teams that do not attend the LM05 6 Hours, may still apply to race for the LM24, however in the event we have more teams than entry slots for the race, there are no guarantees who will get slots.
With the race being 6 Hours, 2-3 Drivers may be registered, with 2 Driver swaps being required during the event.

We are sending invites to teams for the LM05 6 Hours shortly, and for those teams who signed up for the LM24 we are treating it as if you already signed up unless you wish to withdraw.

BoP will be announced with car allocations very soon, with additional car allocations for new teams signing up shortly thereafter if more sign ups occur.

In answering some other questions people have had:
The Mazda roadster event will be in the new year between our major races to give everyone more racing to do while we busy sorting out results from the previous race and working towards launching the next race, meaning there is much less downtime where we are all sitting around waiting for something fun to happen.
The Mazda races are their own event and are not compulsory so drivers/teams may or may not attend as they wish.
The preliminary date for the Le Mans 24 hours is the 14-15th of January, with qualifying held the week before on the 7th-8th.

Currently we have the following teams who have registered interest for the LM24, which is now the LM05 6Hr event:
Pro
MWM RC - LMP
Hyperion - LMP
Venator - LMP

Clockwork - Either

DRR - GTS
SSE - GTS
HRSC - GTS
Pro-Am

Car List
LMP
Audi R8 LMP900 #1 (Red)
Hyperion Racing (@Meister Fetz)

Audi R8 LMP900 #2 (Yellow)

BMW V12 LMR #15
White Knight Racing (@o0Maxx0o)

Pescarolo Hybrid #16
MWM Racer's Collective (@andrew1990)

Pescarolo Judd #17

Pescarolo Peugeot #18
Clockwork Motorsport (@Storm_SP17)

GTS
Ford GT LM Spec II #4

Nissan Concept GT-R #23
Radio Le Banter (@DaGiBUS)

Pagani Zonda LM #24
Harsk Racing Series Community (@Harsk100)

Chrysler Viper GTS #51
Turtle Racing League (@Ph1sher)

Chevrolet Corvette C5-R #64
Starscream Enterprises (@Freddude)

Chevrolet Camaro SS LM #65

(Chrysler Viper can be found in the SRT Manufacturer)

 

[Storm_SP17]

Ran some laps of the 2005 track since it was a layout I've actually never used before, and I kinda liked it after the initial horrors of finding out how much different it was to the 2009 and 2013 layout.

 

[o0Maxx0o]

 

[Storm_SP17]

I'm running laps at the moment in the remaining available GT cars and my current suspicion is that the GT class will be spec'd to be around 30 seconds slower than LMP, for sure. That said, I think the specs are going to reflect an upper limit of 3:50s for GT and 3:20s for LMP ... I doubt any of the GT cars will need 600 bhp to achieve this, even if I expect the base weight to be 1170 kg for the class.

 

[Sinyster]

so due to a lack of interested parties for the 6 hour event, we're going to end up skipping said event, and change things up to where we will run the LM24 in January. As for a BoP (sorry), we have it ready to go, just need to make a PDF for it, which will be done tonight.

 

[RoadRageDudez]

so due to a lack of interested parties for the 6 hour event, we're going to end up skipping said event, and change things up to where we will run the LM24 in January. As for a BoP (sorry), we have it ready to go, just need to make a PDF for it, which will be done tonight.

So.., am I still suspended for Le Mans or..? Can it not be lifted since no Le Mans race tonight..?

 

[Sinyster]

So.., am I still suspended for Le Mans or..? Can it not be lifted since no Le Mans race tonight..?

the race was to be scheduled for the 17th, but as stated, your probation is for one race, which still has not happened. After the next official race happens is when your probation is lifted.

 

[StigsTC]

Not quite sure what Sin is on about, the intent of the race was a shortened format so we could still go racing DUE to the lack of teams.
From my perspective I'm still opening a room next week and going racing with anyone who wants to come join.
I'd very much like to test some things we have lined up for next season, like an actual live stream and the 1-weekend format.
And I have no idea why this never got added to post 2, we've had it done for a week.
BoP and Driving Time Limits attached.

 

[Sinyster]

Not quite sure what Sin is on about, the intent of the race was a shortened format so we could still go racing DUE to the lack of teams.
From my perspective I'm still opening a room next week and going racing with anyone who wants to come join.
I'd very much like to test some things we have lined up for next season, like an actual live stream and the 1-weekend format.
And I have no idea why this never got added to post 2, we've had it done for a week.
BoP and Driving Time Limits attached.

I'll just say that on my end I've been really out of it Apologies.

UPDATE: I'm also blaming the lack of communication that's been had the past couple of days, as well as the fact I was out of town for a full week, which personally set me back from what we were at. If @StigsTC believes we can run this 6h event, then I'll let him take command of it this coming weekend.

Sorry for any confusion everyone, again, apologies.

 

[Kjeld Lund]

Not quite sure what Sin is on about, the intent of the race was a shortened format so we could still go racing DUE to the lack of teams.
From my perspective I'm still opening a room next week and going racing with anyone who wants to come join.
I'd very much like to test some things we have lined up for next season, like an actual live stream and the 1-weekend format.
And I have no idea why this never got added to post 2, we've had it done for a week.
BoP and Driving Time Limits attached.

What happend withthe BoP? Thats not even close to what i worked with.

 

[Storm_SP17]

What happend withthe BoP? Thats not even close to what i worked with.

I second this statement... honestly expected LMP900 to be well, 900 LOL.

Also expected 600 bhp from the GTs, not sure what I'm more shocked at.

 

[StigsTC]

What happend withthe BoP? Thats not even close to what i worked with.

I scaled everything in LMP back by 5% because I was smashing the laptime goals. All the work you did is actually still there if you re-inflate by 5%, remembering I nudged 2 cars by 5 hp If I recall correctly. It was a good BoP, just too fast, so I scaled everything back to keep ratios the same and it worked quite well.
GTS is pretty much the same with a few tweaks to it, I don't think I scaled back everything on that one.

I second this statement... honestly expected LMP900 to be well, 900 LOL.

Also expected 600 bhp from the GTs, not sure what I'm more shocked at.

LMP900 and LMP675 were classes that actually referred to the MINIMUM WEIGHT of the cars in the classes. Hence all LMP1 are 900kg, and why the Porsche RS Spyder was so good in ALMS because it was designed to a massively low weight and had to be ballasted to the updated LMP2 regs in later years, giving it heaps less yaw inertia making it very nimble.
As for the GTS class, GT6 has VERY good tyre grip, so even if the aero is roughly accurate to the 2000's, a modern race tyre vs 2000 race tyre is a huge gain before you add in GT's super sticky tyres so the cars have overall WAY more grip that they should, so we have to nerf the power to get to the 3:50 goal laptime that you accurately guessed at. This in turn makes the class significantly more friendly to the Pro-Am teams, as the cars aren't totally uncontrollable in the dry, before we even think about adding rain.

 

[Storm_SP17]

I scaled everything in LMP back by 5% because I was smashing the laptime goals. All the work you did is actually still there if you re-inflate by 5%, remembering I nudged 2 cars by 5 hp If I recall correctly. It was a good BoP, just too fast, so I scaled everything back to keep ratios the same and it worked quite well.
GTS is pretty much the same with a few tweaks to it, I don't think I scaled back everything on that one.


LMP900 and LMP675 were classes that actually referred to the MINIMUM WEIGHT of the cars in the classes. Hence all LMP1 are 900kg, and why the Porsche RS Spyder was so good in ALMS because it was designed to a massively low weight and had to be ballasted to the updated LMP2 regs in later years, giving it heaps less yaw inertia making it very nimble.
As for the GTS class, GT6 has VERY good tyre grip, so even if the aero is roughly accurate to the 2000's, a modern race tyre vs 2000 race tyre is a huge gain before you add in GT's super sticky tyres so the cars have overall WAY more grip that they should, so we have to nerf the power to get to the 3:50 goal laptime that you accurately guessed at. This in turn makes the class significantly more friendly to the Pro-Am teams, as the cars aren't totally uncontrollable in the dry, before we even think about adding rain.

When I tested the LMPs at around 800 I had to use a lot of downforce, but the specs you've given actually may give the same results with much less downforce needed.

As for GT, I knew you guys well enough to hazard a guess at the cut off... had the Ford at 545, SRT at 575 and Cam at 590, but all were not tuned at all... so I guess if you dial them back to your specs and slap tunes on them it balances out. Put me in the 3:51 range, about right for a Gold rank if upper limit is 50s

 

[Kjeld Lund]

I scaled everything in LMP back by 5% because I was smashing the laptime goals. All the work you did is actually still there if you re-inflate by 5%, remembering I nudged 2 cars by 5 hp If I recall correctly. It was a good BoP, just too fast, so I scaled everything back to keep ratios the same and it worked quite well.
GTS is pretty much the same with a few tweaks to it, I don't think I scaled back everything on that one.


LMP900 and LMP675 were classes that actually referred to the MINIMUM WEIGHT of the cars in the classes. Hence all LMP1 are 900kg, and why the Porsche RS Spyder was so good in ALMS because it was designed to a massively low weight and had to be ballasted to the updated LMP2 regs in later years, giving it heaps less yaw inertia making it very nimble.
As for the GTS class, GT6 has VERY good tyre grip, so even if the aero is roughly accurate to the 2000's, a modern race tyre vs 2000 race tyre is a huge gain before you add in GT's super sticky tyres so the cars have overall WAY more grip that they should, so we have to nerf the power to get to the 3:50 goal laptime that you accurately guessed at. This in turn makes the class significantly more friendly to the Pro-Am teams, as the cars aren't totally uncontrollable in the dry, before we even think about adding rain.

That Can have a big effect on some of the cars Stigs. Not saying that it have, but it has happend before.

 

[StigsTC]

That Can have a big effect on some of the cars Stigs. Not saying that it have, but it has happend before.

Fully aware, hence the tweaks I made after scaling.
Ran laps, went way too fast. Scaled back 5%, then tweaked to equalise them again. I followed order of operations and we should be OK. I'm not crazy enough to just scale it and assume it works, I still tested it and made alterations where needed.

EDIT: I'm a bit stumped that I can't find it, however I needed to give a huge thanks to the Hyperion team for their help with BoP, notably Kjeld and Ph7shr. Without their help with the BoP while I was swimming in stint photos we'd probably still not be done yet.

 

[Kjeld Lund]

Fully aware, hence the tweaks I made after scaling.
Ran laps, went way too fast. Scaled back 5%, then tweaked to equalise them again. I followed order of operations and we should be OK. I'm not crazy enough to just scale it and assume it works, I still tested it and made alterations where needed.

Crazy? Sure? But still feel that all my work i wasted on this BoP.

 

[StigsTC]

Well we are now up to 8 teams registered for the race with a nice 4/4 split for LMP and GTS (which is awesome) can I remind Team Managers that have signed up to submit their Driver Rosters and QP preferences in their team chats. We also require the Starting Driver and Grid Preference (LMP only) of your team as QP is followed by the race the next day, so be careful not to get caught out by submitting late!

Modified dates for the event:
Race: 8pm UTC (20:00) Saturday 17th of December.

QP1: 9pm UTC (21:00) Friday 16th of December.
QP2: 1am UTC (01:00) Saturday 17th of December.
QP3: 10am UTC (10:00) Saturday 17th of December.