DTM V - Race 7 - Suzuka - 03/01

[SymP]

Great JT! Good to see some sign of life 👍

So business as usual... Looking forward to our next fixed-host laggy delayed race!

 

[Goruk]

Great JT! Good to see some sign of life 👍

So business as usual... Looking forward to our next fixed-host laggy delayed race!

 

[pipi_r6]

Great JT! Good to see some sign of life 👍

So business as usual... Looking forward to our next fixed-host laggy delayed race!

Lool, DTM is not the same without that

Pilots out?
Toyotsupra - Don't like the rules ???
anastasis14 - Cat died - Ups
LKWTrailer - lack of organisation; Big Looool
Green - Not enjoying my racing in DTM series. Common green lets go for more Battles "but not with me", hehehe, i like more the battles with the lag....
IMMORTALPILOT -Not explain the reason

 

[anastasis14]

Lool, DTM is not the same without that

Pilots out?
Toyotsupra - Don't like the rules ???
anastasis14 - Cat died - Ups
LKWTrailer - lack of organisation; Big Looool
Green - Not enjoying my racing in DTM series. Common green lets go for more Battles "but not with me", hehehe, i like more the battles with the lag....
IMMORTALPILOT -Not explain the reason

immortal is thinking of dropping out

 

[aBrick]

I'm still in

Not really bothered about how many competitors there are in the series, its just about the quality (clean driving skills) of the drivers that makes for good racing. To be honest, some of the new drivers have not been up to scratch, but its good to see the regulars who are sticking by the series.

Looking forward to Spa!

 

[anastasis14]

Looking forward to Spa!

I don't want to think of my oversteery Astra

 

[Godoias]

Great JT! Good to see some sign of life 👍

So business as usual... Looking forward to our next fixed-host laggy delayed race!

yeah!!!!👍👍👍

 

[IMMORTALPILOT]

ok guys i have thought again i want to tyr again the next race in spa

 

[Goruk]

ok guys i have thought again i want to tyr again the next race in spa

Do you still need the TT-R, or will you be running the Astra?

 

[RaciGManiac]

Hi again guys, i want to re-enter the series if i'm allowed too, my bad for saying lack of organisation lets start all over again LKW!

 

[IMMORTALPILOT]

i will try the tt but i dont have it

 

[SymP]

Ok guys, good to see you getting drawn back into the series 👍

Because the track entrance procedure isn't clearly described in the rules and there seemed to be some issues again last week I thinks it's necessary to write this down.

I propose to add the following to the rules:

4.4 - Track entrance procedure
4.4.1 - The track entrance procedure starts as soon as the Race Steward gives the signal (after checking if everybody is ready)
4.4.2 - Host resets track by changing tracks
4.4.3 - At this point NOBODY is allowed to enter the setup or option menu anymore!
4.4.4 - To check the Performance Points and additional penalties the drivers have to enter the track (do not leave the pits!) in a sequence from the lowest PP value to the highest PP value:
4.4.4 - a. Host sets Maximum Performance Points to lowest PP value
4.4.4 - b. Cars with this PP value will be called to the track (if host has this PP value he will enter the track and then back again to the lobby)
4.4.4 - c. Host increases maximum PP to next PP value
4.4.4 - d. Steps b and c will be repeated until 600 PP is reached and all cars are on the track
4.4.5 - Host sets minimum weight to 1120kg (host has to enter the track and then back again to the lobby)
4.4.6 - Host sets maximum PP back to 600 PP
4.4.7 - Host sets time cycle to start the race in 20 minutes
4.4.8 - Host enters the track
4.4.8 - Qualifying is now started
4.4.10 - Cars are allowed to enter the track now for qualifying


I'm afraid we also need penalties for the following:

• Leaving the pits to the track before qualification has started:: 10 secs time penalty for each occurrence and start from the back of the grid
• Leaving the track back to the lobby during qualification: 10 secs time penalty for each occurrence and start from the back of the grid
• Entering option/setup menu during track entrance procedure, qualification or when race is restarted: 30 secs penalty (or DQF?)

Late comers (when qualifying has already started):

• Drivers without PP penalty: Start from the back of the grid (host cannot perform a weight check anymore though...)
• Drivers with PP penalty: Not allowed to enter track and start

Unplanned disconnects (no goodby message before '... left the room' message) during qualifying:

• If rejoining and reentering immediately they can continue qualifying

Anyone has some other suggestions?

 

[pipi_r6]

Nice work Symp 👍

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

4.4 - Track entrance procedure

Agreed.

I'm afraid we also need penalties for the following

Leaving the pits to the track before qualification has started:: 10 secs time penalty for each occurrence and start from the back of the grid 👍
Leaving the track back to the lobby during qualification: 10 secs time penalty for each occurrence and start from the back of the grid 👍
Entering option/setup menu during track entrance procedure, qualification or when race is restarted: 30 secs penalty (or DQF?) I think DQF. Who knows what they might have changed.

Late comers

I think everyone who enters qualifying late hould have the chance to race. Perhaps a weight and PP check after the race (ie. if you are late then you have to re-enter the track straight after the race. The host then sets the weight to 1120kg then the PP of the cars on the track.) Maybe..? Fail any of the checks and you get DQF'd.

Unplanned disconnects

I would allow a tyre check in the option menu. Often, the tyres change back to a different setting after a disconnect. But this could also be checked in the pits by putting the cursor over your name on the right of the screen too. If it is wrong then you should be alowed to return and change to your original setting. Again, maybe..?

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

 

[SymP]

I think everyone who enters qualifying late hould have the chance to race. Perhaps a weight and PP check after the race (ie. if you are late then you have to re-enter the track straight after the race. The host then sets the weight to 1120kg then the PP of the cars on the track.) Maybe..? Fail any of the checks and you get DQF'd.

Didn't think of that! This gives some more possibilities for the irregularities during qualifying

Entering option/setup menu during track entrance procedure, qualification or when race is restarted: 30 secs penalty (or DQF?) I think DQF. Who knows what they might have changed.

We can also perform a post-race regulations check for these situations. Just give a 30 secs penalty for not following the rules and causing extra work for the host...


This makes the following additional rules then:

4.4 - Track entrance procedure
4.4.1 - The track entrance procedure starts as soon as the Race Steward gives the signal (after checking if everybody is ready)
4.4.2 - Host resets track by changing tracks
4.4.3 - At this point NOBODY is allowed to enter the setup or option menu anymore!
4.4.4 - To check the Performance Points and additional penalties the drivers have to enter the track (do not leave the pits!) in a sequence from the lowest PP value to the highest PP value:
4.4.4 - a. Host sets Maximum Performance Points to lowest PP value
4.4.4 - b. Cars with this PP value will be called to the track (if host has this PP value he will enter the track and then back again to the lobby)
4.4.4 - c. Host increases maximum PP to next PP value
4.4.4 - d. Steps b and c will be repeated until 600 PP is reached and all cars are on the track
4.4.5 - Host sets minimum weight to 1120kg (host has to enter the track and then back again to the lobby)
4.4.6 - Host sets maximum PP back to 600 PP
4.4.7 - Host sets time cycle to start the race on scheduled time but no less than 20 minutes
4.4.8 - Host enters the track; Race Steward gives the signal to start qualifying
4.4.9 - Qualifying is now started.
4.4.10 - Cars are allowed now to leave the pits and enter the track for qualifying

4.5 - Latecomers
4.5.1 - If people are joining late and the track entrence procedure has already started they have to start from the back of the grid (they are allowed to enter the setup and option menu)
4.5.2 - Latecomers must be checked after the race by re-enter the track straight after the race and wait for the host to check their weight and PP. If they fail to do so (for eg. by leaving the lobby or entering the setup menu) they will be disqualified.
4.5.3 - Latecomers can join the race as long as the game allows them to enter the track. The race will not be restarted for them! If a race will be restarted because of a reason described in 5.12 they are allowed to join following rule 4.5.1 and 4.5.2.

4.6 - Involuntary disconnects (no goodby message before '... left the room' message)
4.6.1 - When people got disconnected and rejoining during qualification they are allowed to enter the option menu first to check their tyres before re-entering the track. It must be the same compound as they have chosen during the track entrance procedure.
4.6.2 - They must be checked after the race by re-enter the track straight after the race and wait for the host to check their weight and PP. If they fail to do so (for eg. by leaving the lobby or entering the setup menu) they will be disqualified.

Addition to the penalties section:

6.8 - Time penalties may be added for individual incidents during the track entrance procedure, qualification or restart of the race
6.8.1 - Leaving the pits to the track before qualification has started: 10 second penalty for each occurence and driver has to start from the back of the grid
6.8.2 - Leaving the track back to the lobby during qualification: 10 second penalty for each occurence and driver has to start from the back of the grid
6.8.3 - Entering setup menu during track entrance procedure, qualification or when race is restarted: additional 30 seconds penalty
6.8.3.1 - They must be checked after the race by re-enter the track straight after the race and wait for the host to check their weight and PP. If they fail to do so (for eg. by leaving the lobby or entering the setup menu) they will be disqualified.


Hope we have covered the issues that came up in previous races now!

 

[aBrick]

Do I have a pp of 598 still?? since I came second in the last full race?? (Monaco)

Oh I also seem to be having connections issues.... hopefully I can sort this out before the race.

 

[pipi_r6]

Do I have a pp of 598 still?? since I came second in the last full race?? (Monaco)

Yes you do, you have to run to lose the penalty, you just lose the penalty when you have a 4th place or less. i think 4th place -1pp 5th -2pp and 6th -3pp or worse you lose all the penalties

👍

 

[SymP]

Room is up now. Please come in early because I'm experiencing connection issues already

1472-6399-8580-0417-3742

 

[IMMORTALPILOT]

what is pit windows today??

 

[anastasis14]

tony kart is one of the best out there... 👍 If you want a competitive championship, you won't like him, as we'll come 1st every race with ballast too...
I guarantee you he is TOO clean, u don't need to see him racing

just watch his place in the new GTR Seasonal

PIT: 6-10, 16-20 i think, if im mistaken correct me

 

[aBrick]

edit

I'm IN!

 

[SymP]

we're having too many connection problems so pipi is gonna host tonight

 

[Biffy]

Sorry to pretty much jump on the bandwagon guys, but I've decided to quit the series. In that race I ended up rear-ending LKW by mistake (if I caused damage I'm sorry), with a max speed that was way too high, and just realised that I'm not getting the practice in that I should be. Truth is, I simply don't have the time or motivation. This is not to badmouth JT, Symp, or the series itself, I just haven't been able to actually have any fun during my time here. Last season was a mess, and put me off re-signing a quite a lot, but I decided to give it another go, and hope for the best this time around. Unfortunately, it just hasn't done it for me, especially when we have these rules yet there are people who ignore it (myself included), like cutting corners constantly. I also just find racing on softs (or mediums for that matter) to be arcadish. The 3-tire system is great, but I just find racing on those tires totally unrealistic and just too easy. I just despise them I guess. I just don't want to be going through the same motions of last season, especially with my luck as of late which is just horrible.

It has been good to race with some of you guys, and again I'm sorry for quitting mid-season, but to carry on would just be unfair to you all and the series.

 

[teeds]

tony kart is one of the best out there... 👍 If you want a competitive championship, you won't like him, as we'll come 1st every race with ballast too...
I guarantee you he is TOO clean, u don't need to see him racing

lol cough BS! He's TOO something for sure though.

 

[pipi_r6]

Any idea for the Special??

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

How about ditching race 2 at suzuka and using it for the special stage.
3 rounds same as last season which was very successfull.

Round 1: 10 laps (racing softs). Top 8 progress
Round 2: 8 laps (racing mediums). Top 4 progress
Final Round: 5 laps (racing hards)

if 8 or less then:
Round 1: 15 laps (racing softs). Top 4 progress
Final Round: 10 laps (racing hards)

Thoughts?

 

[SymP]

Personally I was thinking about Autumn ring but Suzuka is fine with me 👍

 

[pipi_r6]

I think Laguna seca is a good option!!!

 

[IMMORTALPILOT]

susuka is good