E3 2010 Discussion Thread

[YSSMAN]

I would think that with all the negative press that Microsoft is getting over a $150 price point on the Kinect that they would bump it down to $100 to keep the kids happy. The pricing will decide everything, frankly.

But, then again, even at $150, I'd probably still buy a Kinect anyway.

 

[FoolKiller]

The only way any of these new motion control systems will get a purchase from me is if they release a standalone (PSN/Arcade game at minimum) disc golf game that properly utilizes flight physics and real-life licensed discs, replicating each disc's speed, glide, turn, and fade characteristics. Weight differences would also be ideal in how wind affects the flight, or whether I can lose my disc in water or not. Power of individual players should also be taken into account when the actual flight speed of the disc is calculated for each toss, and glide, turn, and fade should all be affected by how close to the optimal speed range the player gets. There should also be real-life disc golf courses in the game modeled after the actual PDGA tour.

As it is, these mini game add-ons where you throw one of three discs at a basket in a field or on a ball golf course are not cutting it. Flight physics are off and it is currently impossible to throw a roller. They are just gimmicks.

The best so far has been Tiger Woods, and adding online multiplayer for it in 11 was a nice touch, but it is still a poor representation of disc golf.

 

[YSSMAN]

I haven't played enough sports games on the Wii to have them keep me interested. Typically I get really frustrated with the Golf and Tennis, so I end up sticking to bowling, or maybe the sword fighting. It just never seems to work.

Your Shape and Child of Eden, both from Ubisoft, pretty much sold me on the Kinect.

 

[gtracedriver]

They did not say anything about the last guardian Hopefully in TGS they will show and probably give info about the release date

 

[LaBounti]

Sony has a lot of games they have not shown thanks to Move and 3D....

 

[FoolKiller]

I haven't played enough sports games on the Wii to have them keep me interested. Typically I get really frustrated with the Golf and Tennis, so I end up sticking to bowling, or maybe the sword fighting. It just never seems to work.

If you haven't tried Tiger Woods with Motion Plus, then no golf doesn't work right on the Wii. With Motion Plus in TW10 I had to set it on easy mode just to make the cut in the career mode because it replicated my real-life slice so well. Motion Plus also made it so that it could actually read your motion when putting. It still needs work that I imagine Move and Kinect can address, but it was a huge improvement.

 

[LaBounti]

From what I've seen you don't control the actual club in TW11, but the power meter, lame.....

 

[FoolKiller]

From what I've seen you don't control the actual club in TW11, but the power meter, lame.....

It has 3 control modes. During the Move demo at E3 he had "1:1" motion control over his club position. There are meters during putting, but what those show are determined by what control scheme you have.

 

[chromatic9]

Does anyone know where I can watch the entire MTV Xbox 360 Cirque Du Soleil event were they annouced Kinect? It was on the day before the MS press conference.

Apparently it was hilariously random and trippy and I want to see what it was like.

Robin.

Cirque Du Soleil

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-kinect/700279

Konami conference is worth checking out. Incredible.

 

[SuperShouden]

The Missing BIG ones:

The Last Guardian - Team Ico was absent this time, but it could because they're got nothing new to announce and are currently deciding whether Ico and Shadow of the Collosus will receive a GoW Collection treatment.

Grand Theft Auito V - Rockstar pulled out at the last minute. Probably because of some changes to the gamesplay videos that they were planning, or maybe they just weren't ready to reveal anything yet.

Mass Effect 3 - Nothing is known about this except that it's coming...eventually. Another thing not announced is if the rumors that ME2 is coming to the PS3 are true.

 

[Robin]

Cirque Du Soleil

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-kinect/700279

Konami conference is worth checking out. Incredible.

Thanks for the link! 👍

I'm glad that Kinect makes you stand up, its about time something forces me get off the sofa! I guess this motion controller wars is going to similar to Blu Ray saga in that one will probably eventually dominate sales so it will take a while to see how it pans out. Sucess will all depend on innovative motion games and price and crucially which one suits the average gamer family crowd.

I don't believe they will co-exsist.

Robin.

 

[FoolKiller]

Thanks for the link! 👍

I'm glad that Kinect makes you stand up, its about time something forces me get off the sofa! I guess this motion controller wars is going to similar to Blu Ray saga in that one will probably eventually dominate sales so it will take a while to see how it pans out. Sucess will all depend on innovative motion games and price and crucially which one suits the average gamer family crowd.

I don't believe they will co-exsist.

Robin.

I think they will co-exist. Every console has a different controller but all use the same basic game play types. The same will happen here. Wii games will easily port to the Move and Kinect and the Eye can do many of the same things.

If anything fails then it will purely be because Kinect and Move are both too late to the game to gain any ground on the Wii.

But I think in the end they will all survive in some way. The big key here is the sports titles. There is an undeniable draw to sports titles for people that felt that they were far too uninvolved with a controller. I will admit I never owned a Tiger Woods game until I had a Wii. Flicking a stick to control a swing seemed rather stupid, but actually making the motion of a golf swing is fun. Same thing for disc golf. The implementation has been poor so far, but the act of physically throwing the disc is well replicated.

Adding 3D to the Move for MLB The Show makes me think that for those with that kind of setup it will become the ultimate way to play baseball, as you are actually going to be swinging at a ball that appears to be coming at you.


The one thing I see being a hard sell long term, assuming that there is still room in the market for more motion control, is the Kinect simply due to a complete lack of tactile feedback. Tactile feedback is why we want force feedback in every controller. And even before then we still had that feel of pushing a button or physically doing something that corresponded to what we see on screen. Without even a button to push I don't know how connected people will feel in non-exercise games.

 

[LaBounti]

I think Kinect will suffer the same fate as every other "Addon" the 360 has had just about:

Memory cards(Still?, but replaced by new external options(why the long wait?))
Eternal HDD(over priced )
Wi-Fi(still selling but its overprice)
HD-DVD drive(saw that coming)

If they add more physical controller and sitdown to play scenarios and don't have to clear 50 square feet of space to use it will not be a fad and may survive. In its current state it "IS" a platform that requires a 360 to use. It has little practical use in traditional games and not one traditional Kinect game has been shown. Just my $0.02

 

[Terronium-12]

I think Kinect will suffer the same fate as every other "Addon" the 360 has had just about:

Memory cards(Still?, but replaced by new external options(why the long wait?))
Eternal HDD(over priced )
Wi-Fi(still selling but its overprice)
HD-DVD drive(saw that coming)

If they add more physical controller and sitdown to play scenarios and don't have to clear 50 square feet of space to use it will not be a fad and may survive. In its current state it "IS" a platform that requires a 360 to use. It has little practical use in traditional games and not one traditional Kinect game has been shown. Just my $0.02

It's funny you should mention HD-DVD, because for the most part that's all Microsoft's fault for not integrating the drive itself into all 360's after it was released (and of course still offering the stand-alone option for those already in possession of a 360). Seeing as they were pushing the format a great deal, it's beyond stupid that they didn't think of that from the get-go. If they had, I can almost guarantee you that HD-DVD would still be around to this day.

 

[Robin]

The thing is even if HD-DVD had flopped MS could have used it as a proprietary disk format specially for the 360 if it had been built into the system. This would be similar to the Wii Optical Disk, Nintendo Game Disk and the UMD.

This would have at least provided developers with more storage to work with then they wouldnt have all these problems with space. It was a real bonehead move of MS especially as they are now saying they are going to run with the 360 for the next 5 years.

As for Kinect or Move I agree with LaBounti, one of the devices sales will probably eclipse the other and then dev's will jump ship leading to it being discontinued much like other peripherals in history.

Robin.

 

[SuperShouden]

the thing is, I think when HDDVD was announced, EVERYONE was expecting the 360 to launch with it built in and were a bit surprised when it didn't happen, ESPECIALLY when Sony was hyping up their 25-200GB Blu-ray discs. And then they sold the drive separately from the system for $100, and it was like, well, for the price I'd pay for a 360 and the HDDVD player, I could just get a PS3 with built in Blu-ray, that way, my games will look as awesome as my movies do.

Also, never go against Sony in a Format war. They've been through several, and have won more than they've lost. (Betamax vs. VHS, CD vs Cartridge, DVD vs. VHS, UMD vs cartridge just to name a few and they only lost two of those.)

 

[SuperShouden]

Sorry for the double post, but does anyone else think that Kirby's new Yarn game looks a lot like a LPB clone? And there were a lot of paid off reviewers this year. (G4 seemed like they were paid by Nintendo.) I've noticed that Sony never tries that tactic. They just generally have REALLY awesome games.

 

[Terronium-12]

Sorry for the double post, but does anyone else think that Kirby's new Yarn game looks a lot like a LPB clone? And there were a lot of paid off reviewers this year. (G4 seemed like they were paid by Nintendo.) I've noticed that Sony never tries that tactic. They just generally have REALLY awesome games.

You mentioned something like that during the Microsoft conference when they were advertising the KIN, and I didn't understand why. It was their conference, and the only people covering that conference (at least Live anyway) were required to advertise a phone that's also a Microsoft product - do you see where I'm going with this? I'm essentially saying Microsoft sponsored their own airtime with one of their products. Now you're saying it seems like G4 was paid off by Nintendo?

Beside the fact that Nintendo, genuinely, had the best conference of the big three I don't really see why they'd have to pay off anyone (especially G4 considering how amateur their coverage was, if anything if they wanted someone to kiss their ass...they would have gone to Gamespot). Everything about their conference was just better and better, and the biggest pop for them was the 3DS (which is going to be sold out before it's first release day is over - guaranteed). As far as the Kirby game goes, almost all of the games have been side-scrolling titles with environments similar to those in the game. At the very best, I'd say it gained a little bit of inspiration from LBP but that's about as far as I'd go. It being a clone? Definitely not.

 

[LaBounti]

THe Kirby games on GBa were fantastic games. I cant say I care for it on Wii... Its not a LBP Clone and I doubt it will have the same lasting appeal as LBP.. I dont really care for any of Nins cute games.

I think Its great that Nintendo is doing what they do best, please the Nintendo loyalists.

 

[SuperShouden]

You mentioned something like that during the Microsoft conference when they were advertising the KIN, and I didn't understand why. It was their conference, and the only people covering that conference (at least Live anyway) were required to advertise a phone that's also a Microsoft product - do you see where I'm going with this? I'm essentially saying Microsoft sponsored their own airtime with one of their products. Now you're saying it seems like G4 was paid off by Nintendo?

The KIN thing was bit obvious. It wouldn't be so bad, if everytime they went to commercial, they didn't go, "We'll be on the show floor giving you all the latest information [whisper]and other crap no one cares about[/whisper] on the KIN by MICROSOFT [whisper]available from Verizon[/whisper]" And then 90% of the games they showed were Xbox exclusives. All save the one's they HAD to show that weren't like GT5 and Killzone 3. And they never said they'd bring you coverage of all the press conferences, just Microsoft's. I mean, the way they were pumping up Microsoft made if FAR to obvious they were getting "Sponsored" by Micrsoft.

And G4 seemed a little overly gitty about Nintendo. They were like. "yay, MS...yay, Sony....Holy 🤬 crap, it's Nintendo. And all the only really cool thing Nintendo showed was the 3DS. Which, I wouldn't buy 'cause the only two games I want (Super Scibblenaughts and Okamiden) don't support it. And everything else Nintendo announced were recreations of old titles and Epic Disney...which looked alright, but I will probably never play 'cause I probably won't own a Wii ever.

 

[Terronium-12]

The KIN thing was bit obvious. It wouldn't be so bad, if everytime they went to commercial, they didn't go, "We'll be on the show floor giving you all the latest information [whisper]and other crap no one cares about[/whisper] on the KIN by MICROSOFT [whisper]available from Verizon[/whisper]" And then 90% of the games they showed were Xbox exclusives. All save the one's they HAD to show that weren't like GT5 and Killzone 3. And they never said they'd bring you coverage of all the press conferences, just Microsoft's. I mean, the way they were pumping up Microsoft made if FAR to obvious they were getting "Sponsored" by Micrsoft.

And G4 seemed a little overly gitty about Nintendo. They were like. "yay, MS...yay, Sony....Holy 🤬 crap, it's Nintendo. And all the only really cool thing Nintendo showed was the 3DS. Which, I wouldn't buy 'cause the only two games I want (Super Scibblenaughts and Okamiden) don't support it. And everything else Nintendo announced were recreations of old titles and Epic Disney...which looked alright, but I will probably never play 'cause I probably won't own a Wii ever.

Everyone was gitty about the Nintendo conference (including myself) because we all knew what was coming - 3DS, Skyward Sword (although no one knew the title, but a new Zelda game was practically guaranteed since it's teasing announcement last year) Other M (although it seems to have undergone a drastic change from the original direction it was being steered in). Kirby and Donkey Kong were real surprises, the latter moreso on my behalf then anything else.

Again, no one ever accredits Nintendo when it's due (not referring to any one person, but those in general) the Wii has a lot more going for it then both the PS3 and Xbox 360 (yes, combined). Show me another console that can offer you such a rich history of gaming while making history in the process. No, the Wii may not have as many "killer apps" as the PS3 or 360, and it may not be as powerful as either of them...but what the Wii accomplishes proves that having multiple CPUs and three generation old GPUs isn't as ground-breaking, or competent as everyone thought. The Wii was originally slated for failure after it was announced because no one thought a console that's only marginally more powerful then the original Xbox would last against "true" next generation consoles and their HD visuals.

Which brings me to the motion controller; something else that was snickered upon, and yet look where we are today...Move and Kinect. You think Microsoft and Sony just got those ideas by themselves? No, they've observed how well it's worked for the Wii and their attempting to capitalize on it - just as I've said for the longest....experience goes a long way in the gaming industry and Nintendo has more of it then both MS and Sony combined three times over.

 

[SuperShouden]

Everyone was gitty about the Nintendo conference (including myself) because we all knew what was coming - 3DS, Skyward Sword (although no one knew the title, but a new Zelda game was practically guaranteed since it's teasing announcement last year) Other M (although it seems to have undergone a drastic change from the original direction it was being steered in). Kirby and Donkey Kong were real surprises, the latter moreso on my behalf then anything else.

Again, no one ever accredits Nintendo when it's due (not referring to any one person, but those in general) the Wii has a lot more going for it then both the PS3 and Xbox 360 (yes, combined). Show me another console that can offer you such a rich history of gaming while making history in the process. No, the Wii may not have as many "killer apps" as the PS3 or 360, and it may not be as powerful as either of them...but what the Wii accomplishes proves that having multiple CPUs and three generation old GPUs isn't as ground-breaking, or competent as everyone thought. The Wii was originally slated for failure after it was announced because no one thought a console that's only marginally more powerful then the original Xbox would last against "true" next generation consoles and their HD visuals.

Which brings me to the motion controller; something else that was snickered upon, and yet look where we are today...Move and Kinect. You think Microsoft and Sony just got those ideas by themselves? No, they've observed how well it's worked for the Wii and their attempting to capitalize on it - just as I've said for the longest....experience goes a long way in the gaming industry and Nintendo has more of it then both MS and Sony combined three times over.

Sony can. You must keep in mind, that when Nintendo went to make the N64, they hired Sony to make it for them. However, Nintendo wanted to keep the cartridge and Sony wanted CDs (Never go against Sony in a Format war...they've been in too many...almost all of them actually.) and Nintendo was so insistent on keeping their cartridges that Sony split off and made the Playstation...which made history. It was the first system to use CD-Roms which were VERY new, and it had better graphics than the N64 and ended up, together with Nintendo, killing Sega's consoles...despite Dreamcast having MUCH better graphics.

The Sony Playstation 2 was the best selling console in history until the Wii came along, and had top sales over the PS3 AND the 360 until the Wii's sales exploded. PS2 is also the ONLY system to sell out TWICE in it's life time: Once when it was first released and the next time when they released the slim-version. PS2 was also the FIRST system (and, at the time, I think it was only system) to use DVD-Roms. (I think PCs started using them shortly after

the Sony PSP was the first and IS the ONLY handled to use Mini-discs (which Sony had been trying to push for a long time...btw, the Gamecube used mini-discs and despite Nintendo saying that they created them, mini-discs, along with DVDs and several other things, are a Sony invention.) The PSP is also the first handheld to actively challenge Nintendo's domination of the handheld market. Granted they lost, but there are a lot of people who believe that the PSP is a better system than the Gameboy/DS (and at least they don't advertise that they have a BRAND NEW SYSTEM when they're just added a couple extra features.)

The PS3 was the first system to use Blu-ray technology and currently the only one. It was also the FIRST to support 3D techology thanks to a firmware update. PS2 AND PS3 can be even have an actual OS installed on them Sony even SOLD their own kit to install Linux on the system. The PS3 is the ONLY system to use a standard 2.5 inch harddrive that was used in Laptops, allowing people to quite easily upgrade the size of your HDD to anything you wanted. You could, actually, even downgrade your HDD, if you really wanted to.

There have also been SEVERAL Playstation games that have gone down in history. Like Final Fantasy VII and the first Gran Turismo.

Also, I never said Sony and MS didn't get their motion control ideas from Wii. I know they did.

 

[Terronium-12]

There's a difference between going down in history, and providing as rich of a history as Nintendo can. Sony can't do that, and when compared to Nintendo they'll never be able to do that. Sony can provide you a rich gaming library, I can't (and won't) dispute that...but their library can't hold a candle to Nintendo's overall library. Check out how many games are available on the Virtual Console, and more are added I think every month (?). Sony can only provide what they've done since the original PlayStation, Nintendo can go so far back to original arcade games, or Famicom if you want to keep it strictly to base consoles.

As far as the Gameboy situation goes, I honestly don't know how Nintendo did it, I don't know how long they contemplated the grand scheme it's become...but they can literally offer the Gameboy in a limited-edition color and it will still sell millions of units. In fact, that's already happened - twice.

You can't buy that kind of success; and Sony is losing ground to the iPhone/iPod Touch as well, but neither of them are going to get to that place Nintendo is sitting pretty in no matter how hard they try. Part of me thinks that's another reason why Nintendo doesn't try as hard as they once did in the console market anymore, they own the handheld market with like, three fists () so they have that fountain to fall back on.

 

[Northstar]

Sony split off and made the Playstation...which made history. It was the first system to use CD-Roms which were VERY new, and it had better graphics than the N64 and ended up, together with Nintendo, killing Sega's consoles...despite Dreamcast having MUCH better graphics.

First to use CD-Roms=Sony?

Are you forgetting this?

It first came out in 1991, a whole 3 years before the Playstation hit the market. CD-Roms were also first produced in 1985, a whole 9 years before the PS1.

(and at least they don't advertise that they have a BRAND NEW SYSTEM when they're just added a couple extra features.)

You mean like the PSP Go, which actually took away features and costs more?

There have also been SEVERAL Playstation games that have gone down in history. Like Final Fantasy VII and the first Gran Turismo.

There are games for pretty much every console that have gone down in history, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

 

[LaBounti]

Thats an Add on, not a system. 90% of the games were FMV trash.. and the beginning of the end for Sega

Wii has a lot more going for it then both the PS3 and Xbox 360 (yes, combined)

You are joking right? It actually has less going for it than PS3 and 360. The Wii has high system sales mostly buy non gamers. It's one of those "we have to have one" type of things. As far as real gamers, I doubt the wii is what they want to play when they get home. Wii has very little features, the online structure doesn't exist, it has no media features. Its good for family fun and the Loyalists. This is my opinion but as I grew up the Nintendo games did not. I cant see myself shelling out $50 for those games. Its an alternative, not a direct competitor...

 

[Northstar]

Thats an Add on, not a system. 90% of the games were FMV trash.. and the beginning of the end for Sega

It still played CD-Rom's though even if it was just an attachment, I also don't care that the games sucked, the whole point was that the PS1 was not the first to use CD-ROM.

 

[Terronium-12]

You are joking right?

I didn't see a smiley anywhere in my post, so, no.

The Wii has high system sales mostly by non gamers.

And that matters to sales figures....how?

Might I add if someone brought the Wii, and are playing games on it - it kind of defeats the label of "non gamer" doesn't it?

It's one of those "we have to have one" type of things.

And is the PS3 or 360 different in that regard?

As far as real gamers, I doubt the wii is what they want to play when they get home.

What's a "real" gamer? This is one of the stupidest problems present now, the labeling of casual and hardcore gamers. None of this mattered in the 80's or 90's, but now everyone is using the terms as if they actually meant something. A gamer is simply someone who plays games, no matter how often, it's as simple as that. I guess because there are a lot of games that I want for the Wii...that would make me what - a casual gamer, or a hardcore gamer with some modern day dilemma?

Its an alternative, not a direct competitor...

Someone said something similar to this when comparing Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo; FM wasn't considered a direct competitor because it wasn't on the same console, and was instead considered an alternative. It didn't make sense for that, and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense for this either. It's usually the guys no one cares to pay attention to that are usually kicking the crap out of everyone else despite all of the senseless negativity that comes their way, and you know what?

The Wii is doing just that.

 

[SuperShouden]

Okay, firstly, Nintendo's sales figures don't really count 'cause they found a little loop hole to include the Wii balance board in their sales. Seriously, when ever a Wii Fit game is released, their "hardware" sales almost double. In my opinion, if you have to cheat to make it look like you're doing better than you are, that's not a very good sign. (They might also be counting their plethora of peripherals as "hardware" as well, but I'm not sure.)

Secondly, the PSP Go was advertised as a brand new system, which it really is. I mean it is a entirely new look. It's smaller, less features, bigger screen...there's enough about it that changed for it to be a new handheld. But EVERY YEAR at E3, Nintendo has a "brand new" handheld console that's just a DS with a couple more features. Even the 3DS is like this. All they did was add 3D support and an extra camera....and now took away one of the touch screens.

Thirdly, I believe Wii sales were the worst last month. I mean, didn't Nintendo raise the price of the Wii? Sure they bundled it with a couple games and a WiiMotion Plus, but still...Sony is the ONLY one of the Big Three that is actually Making money. Nintendo is losing money like PB is losing oil. MS is losing money, but not nearly as fast as Nintendo is. That's why they charge you so much for everything.

Fourthly, about the Virtual Console...correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they release ALL NES and SNES games for the Gamecube...for Free? I mean, do they REALLY expect me to pay $5 for a game that was released 30-40 years ago that I could get for free or at least for a FRACTION of what they charge? I think people who buy games from the Virtual Console store are getting ripped off.

 

[Terronium-12]

Okay, firstly, Nintendo's sales figures don't really count 'cause they found a little loop hole to include the Wii balance board in their sales. Seriously, when ever a Wii Fit game is released, their "hardware" sales almost double. In my opinion, if you have to cheat to make it look like you're doing better than you are, that's not a very good sign. (They might also be counting their plethora of peripherals as "hardware" as well, but I'm not sure.)

Alright, but you do realize by that logic you'd might as well include the 360 and PS3 as both offered bundle deals and still do, hell, you might as well not even count total PS Move sales right now because we already know that's going to be bundled with PS3's. You'd might as well account for the actual total sales of Little Big Planet, God of War 3, Forza Motorsport 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII; I can go on and on....

...Oh, but wait...doesn't the Wii still have more sales then the both of them?

Yeah, that logic doesn't really work.

Secondly, the PSP Go was advertised as a brand new system, which it really is. I mean it is a entirely new look. It's smaller, less features, bigger screen...there's enough about it that changed for it to be a new handheld. But EVERY YEAR at E3, Nintendo has a "brand new" handheld console that's just a DS with a couple more features. Even the 3DS is like this. All they did was add 3D support and an extra camera....and now took away one of the touch screens.

I think adding even one feature as opposed to taking away features wins any and every day of the week. Again, we already know this...the Gameboy/DS has some indisputable formula that just works...like I said, you cannot buy that kind of success. Also, you do realize that the 3DS is an entirely new handheld device, don't you?

Thirdly, I believe Wii sales were the worst last month. I mean, didn't Nintendo raise the price of the Wii? Sure they bundled it with a couple games and a WiiMotion Plus, but still...Sony is the ONLY one of the Big Three that is actually Making money. Nintendo is losing money like PB is losing oil. MS is losing money, but not nearly as fast as Nintendo is. That's why they charge you so much for everything.

So much? The Wii is only $199, and the games are $49-$59, and the peripherals are all dirt cheap.

Fourthly, about the Virtual Console...correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they release ALL NES and SNES games for the Gamecube...for Free? I mean, do they REALLY expect me to pay $5 for a game that was released 30-40 years ago that I could get for free or at least for a FRACTION of what they charge? I think people who buy games from the Virtual Console store are getting ripped off.

You pay $2-$5 for DLC, so I don't really see the complaint here, and no, they didn't offer every NES and SNES game for the Gamecube (at least not that I know of).

 

[SuperShouden]

Wii's Peripherals aren't cheap. to get a Wiimote, a nunchuck and a Motion plus you'd pay a good chunk more than a 360 or PS3 controller. If you were to buy a Wii and four complete controller sets, you'd actually spend more money than you would for a PS3 or 360 and four controllers.

And my biggest gripe with the Wii is that EVERYTHING costs money. There's not even any demos for free. (they did release like 3 and never released any more.) It's crazy. and games on the Wiistore cost $3-$10 dollars. I have never seen a $2 game....and that, by the way, Microsoft recently got in trouble because a lot of games who bought stuff were left with like 10-20 or so points left after purchases, despite them hint that it wouldn't happen. Yet, Nintendo's doing the same thing. I mean, if you buy 3-300 point games you'll be left with 100 points left since they only sell points in 1000point increments.