E3 2012 coming soon GT6 will be announced??

[Samus]

Let me counter that. We waited for GT5 and look how that turned out.

Not very well? I'm confused, are you arguing taking 5 years was a good thing or bad thing?

The PS3 CANNOT handle Kaz's vision for GT. Plain and simple. No if, ands or buts. It cannot.

Neither could the Ps1 or PS2 but he still made great games.

What can PS4 do to solve the problem? And why will it not take as long for a new GT to come out on the PS4? Well lets start with the fact that it will be far easier to develop for. PD will have 220+ cars already modeled. Plenty of track data (IE not the models but the data needed to make new models). I am also going to assume the physics will be an updated version of what we have now, just updated to run on the new hardware.

Very nice, but........

But why not do that on the PS3? Why spend all that time developing a new game when you can just improve GT5. Look at GT5's problems that are not graphical or performance related. Sounds, content and career.

Exactly my point, they don't need new hardware to fix the biggest problems.

Out of those 3 content is easily the most important and can be added through future DLC or in the form of Spec III.

They haven't done so far, no DLC or update has added substantial new gameplay content, what makes you think they will in future?

Any time PD spend developing a new GT for PS3 will just delay GT on the PS4. And GT on the PS4 will actually be able to fulfill Kaz's vision. Which is the most comprehensive and realist racing simulation game. Which is really what we are all waiting for.

Disagree, most of the content they're creating is PS4 quality as you said above, uskng those assets for another PS3 game wouldn't slow things down. Also how do you know a PS4 will fullfil his vision?

Waiting for the next GT is a fact of life. Accept it. Every since GT2 we have been waiting. This will not change. And changing it now will certainly not produce a better result.

5 is the only game we've waited 5+ years for, 2, 3 and 4 were much quicker.

GT6 will launch between launch and 1 year of the PS4.

Even a launch title would likely be 4 years after GT5, and that is too big a gap, two games per decade.

 

[Tornado]

The PS3 CANNOT handle Kaz's vision for GT. Plain and simple. No if, ands or buts. It cannot.

And GT on the PS4 will actually be able to fulfill Kaz's vision. Which is the most comprehensive and realist racing simulation game. Which is really what we are all waiting for.

Inb4 "PS4 can't handle Kaz's vision."

But why not do that on the PS3? Why spend all that time developing a new game when you can just improve GT5.

Because it's been nearly two years now. It's not going to happen if it hasn't happened already, and Kaz has even go so far as to imply that it won't.

Out of those 3 content is easily the most important

Oh?

and can be added through future DLC or in the form of Spec III.

At massively higher cost, and over a massively longer amount of time. Which is apparently better, for some reason, even though Sony would much rather reinvigorate the franchise with another game (and another game's sales) rather than wait 4+ years after GT5's launch and get income from decreasing returns.

Any time PD spend developing a new GT for PS3 will just delay GT on the PS4.

I always love how the "GT will be easier to develop on PS4" argument applies if GT6 is on PS4, but not if GT7 is on PS4.

GT6 will launch between launch and 1 year of the PS4.

GT3 was built directly on top of GT2 and it still took them over a year to get it out after the PS2 launched (and it was supposed to be a launch game). The more and more time that passes, the less and less acceptable it will be to build GT6 on top of GT5, and you want them to wait what appears to be two years from now at a minimum? No way would it come out that soon after the system's launch if it is a PS4 game, because they would have to start from scratch with the game proper even if they do reuse assets.

 

[Francocosta02]

don't know about what will be the future of GT franchise, i was really looking forward to hear ANYTHING about it in this conference, but i was really amazed by "the last of us"...

 

[axl54]

don't know about what will be the future of GT franchise, i was really looking forward to hear ANYTHING about it in this conference, but i was really amazed by "the last of us"...

Looks good, but seems like more Uncharted with a lower, more considered bodycount based on 1st impressions.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I will NOT purchase another console in order to play the next iteration of this game. I don't plan on spending a fortune to be disappointed again. You can plan on issues with a next gen console's first year anyway, so anyone deciding to make that plunge might want to think twice.

We purchased 2 fat PS3's initial release 60gb and a Metal Gear Bundle. My 60gb went YLOD, it got replaced and it died in Feb this year. My Son's MG 80gb also died this Feb! Yep, 3 for 3 DEAD! I will not be in a hurry to buy a PS4 unless GT6 is a launch title. Even if it is, I won't be camping out for a PS4.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

If we continually need a new system every time to bring Kaz's vision closer to reality, then I personally don't think Kaz's vision is worth waiting for. We don't need a more powerful Playstation to have a great GT game.

 

[paskowitz]

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I agree with this post, barring the bolded part ..... optimistic much? lol

It is probably not going to be a launch title, but I would put good money on it being close to launch (1yr).

Not very well? I'm confused, are you arguing taking 5 years was a good thing or bad thing?

Neither could the Ps1 or PS2 but he still made great games.

Very nice, but........

Exactly my point, they don't need new hardware to fix the biggest problems.

They haven't done so far, no DLC or update has added substantial new gameplay content, what makes you think they will in future?

Disagree, most of the content they're creating is PS4 quality as you said above, uskng those assets for another PS3 game wouldn't slow things down. Also how do you know a PS4 will fullfil his vision?

Even a launch title would likely be 4 years after GT5, and that is too big a gap, two games per decade.

I am saying 5 years was not enough. The development of GT5 was rushed by SCE. This made the game worse. This is not a debatable subject. It is well documented.

Using PS1 as a precedent does not work because making games was COMPLETELY different back in the 90's.

Yes, they do need new hardware. The PS3 is hard and time consuming to develop for (still to this day, even for Sony's own devs). Especially for a game like GT5 (complex). Finally, to put a nail in the coffin on this point, Kaz has said it himself. Look it up.

I do not know what they are going to do in the future. I hope they release new DLC. Motegi is a strong possibility and it is likely that will be paired with some other content. For me 1-2 new tracks and 1-2 more car packs is enough for a while.

Ok this is just silly. If they are making one game, that slows down another. I rest my case with GT PSP. Same assets as GT4? Won't slow things down huh? What about GTHD and GT5p... I am sure that didn't slow things down either? Next.

4 years is too long? Try telling that to Street Fighter and Starcraft fans and they will laugh at you. Lets assume the PS4 is coming out holiday season 2013 (with the chance of March 2014). That is a year and a half from now. Add one year to that and you are at 2.5-3 years. That sounds very reasonable. And it fits the gen switch time table set by GT3 (1yr after the new console is out ~2yrs after GT2). Wait... where did you get 4 years from?????

Then consider the earthquake. PD is not releasing a new game anytime soon. In fact I would be surprised if they release a Vita title (maybe an HD remaster, but not a whole new game).

I always love how the "GT will be easier to develop on PS4" argument applies if GT6 is on PS4, but not if GT7 is on PS4.

And GT7 on the PS4 would probably release at least 3 years into the PS4s life. Considering how marginal GT6's improvement (based on hardware) on the PS3 can be I am not willing to wait from GT5 to GT on PS4 for a truly revamped GT game.

The truth is I am not so stubborn to not be able to admit that some people want this and that is perfectly acceptable. It is just not what I want and I am expressing that view.

 

[axl54]

@paskowitz, I'd really love for you to be right, but PD seem to work to the beat of their
own drum, I really couldn't see GT6 for another few years yet. I do hope your right, but I think It'll be a while............. just hope it's worth the wait this time

 

[TokoTurismo]

If we continually need a new system every time to bring Kaz's vision closer to reality, then I personally don't think Kaz's vision is worth waiting for. We don't need a more powerful Playstation to have a great GT game.

My thoughts exactly. Why should "one" man make a vision for himself. When he can instead make the vision that "his fans" sees, not him. No need for another system just for "HIM" to see...

 

[Ven0m]

I still don't understand why no one has made a game with open world type gameplay SIMILAR to midnight club's open world theme, with the physics of a simulator, multiple tracks to drive to, and with the customization of Forza. Combine those things and incorporate them with real life tracks, city streets to cruise on, and a strong car selection and you would have a rock solid game. you don't even have to make it a street racing themed game (so you could get the license from Honda.) make it where there isn't an actual street racing event, just allow online players to have a free roam to do as the please. No hitting pedestrians or violence just a real life driving experience. I wish I was filthy rich, I would get this on the market. (forgive my poor organization)

 

[CorvetteConquer]

A common problem when dealing with new hardware speculation is overly excited gamers. These gamers have little to no rational thought, in my opinion.

It's like trying to convince a wide-eyed child in a candy store that he can only have ONE item. Sensory overload. Excitement > all other feelings.

GT6 could easily be a successful title on the PS3, but excited fans want MORE. They want the PS4 NOW. And only then can the game be "good". Only then can all the bugs be fixed and only then can their favorite features be added. Kids in a candy shop. Nothing more.

Sit back and wait. We're used to this now. Call us experts. The decision is not in our hands.

 

[axl54]

I still don't understand why no one has made a game with open world type gameplay SIMILAR to midnight club's open world theme, with the physics of a simulator, multiple tracks to drive to, and with the customization of Forza. Combine those things and incorporate them with real life tracks, city streets to cruise on, and a strong car selection and you would have a rock solid game. you don't even have to make it a street racing themed game (so you could get the license from Honda.) make it where there isn't an actual street racing event, just allow online players to have a free roam to do as the please. No hitting pedestrians or violence just a real life driving experience. I wish I was filthy rich, I would get this on the market. (forgive my poor organization)

Heard of Forza Horizon? Supposedly open world driving with Forza 4 Sim Physics intact (I think).

 

[ucwepn]

I expect a GT5 spinoff before GT6p, this seems to be the trend in gaming now I saw another one today with the new GoW today at the press conference, its not GoW4 its GoW ascension. Gt6 hopefully will be a ps4 title.

 

[Ven0m]

Heard of Forza Horizon? Supposedly open world driving with Forza 4 Sim Physics intact (I think).

That would require me to get an Xbox...

 

[GTPorsche]

If anything Gran Turismo is going to be premiered, it's going to be at Tokyo Game Show, but I wouldn't expect anything this year.

 

[RACECAR]

Some news for the overly optimistic: No GT6 at E3. You can close this thread and pole now.

 

[thelvynau]

Heard of Forza Horizon? Supposedly open world driving with Forza 4 Sim Physics intact (I think).

If no gt6 ill get forza horizon and keep playing gt5 to tide me over.

 

[Raitziger]

Heard of Forza Horizon? Supposedly open world driving with Forza 4 Sim Physics intact (I think).

I got an impression that horizon won't same level of realism as F4.

Anyways PD should also give some guidance on their next game.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Some news for the overly optimistic: No GT6 at E3. You can close this thread and pole now.

Ah come on RACECAR let's let the idealist have a bit more time, maybe even change the thread to 2013 so they don't feel they were proven wrong.

 

[Mac K]

Ah come on RACECAR let's let the idealist have a bit more time, maybe even change the thread to 2013 so they don't feel they were proven wrong.

Now now...

 

[mister dog]

Ah come on RACECAR let's let the idealist have a bit more time, maybe even change the thread to 2013 so they don't feel they were proven wrong.

Make that 2014 just to be sure.

 

[zanxion]

Make that 2014 just to be sure.

+1 to that

 

[mjm23race]

That's cool $500 every time a new GT game comes out.

All of the fulfilling "Kaz's dream" is bs. 10 years and a ps5 wouldn't be enough to fulfill his vision. I have a feeling his vision has a lot to do with real world racing.

 

[RickyGT]

that's cool $500 every time a new gt game comes out.

All of the fulfilling "kaz's dream" is bs. 10 years and a ps5 wouldn't be enough to fulfill his vision. I have a feeling his vision has a lot to do with real world racing.

+1

 

[richiem2282]

Some news for the overly optimistic: No GT6 at E3. You can close this thread and pole now.

agreed

 

[hugo24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGx3Uif3maA

Inside Sim Racing demo of Forza Horizon, goes for 25 minutes, cockpit cam, massive open world, Forza 4 sim driving physics, 65 surfaces, and day/night cycles.

Going to have to invest in a CSR wheel, going to spend a lot of time behind the wheel of my Audi R8!

 

[Samus]

I am saying 5 years was not enough. The development of GT5 was rushed by SCE. This made the game worse. This is not a debatable subject. It is well documented.

5 years should have been enough though.

Using PS1 as a precedent does not work because making games was COMPLETELY different back in the 90's.

Maybe so, the same point still stands though. Kaz's 'vision', whatever that is, wasn't possible on those consoles if it still isn't on PS3, but it didn't stop them making the games.

Yes, they do need new hardware. The PS3 is hard and time consuming to develop for (still to this day, even for Sony's own devs). Especially for a game like GT5 (complex). Finally, to put a nail in the coffin on this point, Kaz has said it himself. Look it up.

Yes, but they've already done 90% of the hard work. GT5 is an excellent platform to base GT6 on. I'm bored of writing out all the changes they can make but it's mostly content, and PS3 being hard to develop for isn't an excuse. If other devs can build the 'game' part of it in good time, so can PD. Remember Kaz said 60% of dev times goes on car modelling alone.

I do not know what they are going to do in the future. I hope they release new DLC. Motegi is a strong possibility and it is likely that will be paired with some other content. For me 1-2 new tracks and 1-2 more car packs is enough for a while.

I disagree. What are you going to do with new tracks and 10 new cars without anything new to do with them? GT needs a lot more than tracks and cars at this point.

Ok this is just silly. If they are making one game, that slows down another. I rest my case with GT PSP. Same assets as GT4? Won't slow things down huh? What about GTHD and GT5p... I am sure that didn't slow things down either? Next.

They're different because one is a different platform entirely and the others were made as GT5 was being made. What they made for GTHD and GT5 they could use on GT5. It's not like it's a different game entirely, the only time 'lost' on those games was patching/updating Prologue. Other than that, everything they did was working towards GT5, Prologue being a WIP.

So for GT6/7 it would be the same. They're already creating assets at PS4 quality, so whether they keep them locked up for the PS4 game or use them now in a PS3 game it's not going to be that much time lost. Besides, you seem to think a long dev time is ok so if we had to wait 3 years after GT6 on PS3 for GT7 on PS4, what's the problem?

4 years is too long? Try telling that to Street Fighter and Starcraft fans and they will laugh at you. Lets assume the PS4 is coming out holiday season 2013 (with the chance of March 2014). That is a year and a half from now. Add one year to that and you are at 2.5-3 years. That sounds very reasonable. And it fits the gen switch time table set by GT3 (1yr after the new console is out ~2yrs after GT2). Wait... where did you get 4 years from?????

Where are you getting holiday 2013 from for the Console? Most major console of the last two or three generations has been announced first at E3 and released at least a year afterwards. PS3 was announced first at E3 2005, again at 2006 then released Nov 2006. So unless they buck the two trends (Announcing at E3 and releasing roughly 18 months after the first reveal) then PS4 will be revealed at E3 2013 and be released holiday 2014.

Then consider the earthquake. PD is not releasing a new game anytime soon. In fact I would be surprised if they release a Vita title (maybe an HD remaster, but not a whole new game).

Please don't use the earthquake as an excuse, PD were not hugely affected by it.

And GT7 on the PS4 would probably release at least 3 years into the PS4s life. Considering how marginal GT6's improvement (based on hardware) on the PS3 can be I am not willing to wait from GT5 to GT on PS4 for a truly revamped GT game.

Again, GT6 on PS3 could be a huge improvement in terms of content and polish. I asked this to someone else, what issues do you have when driving a premium car on a track like the ring? The core gameplay is there and is great, it just needs a lot more content built around it.

 

[paskowitz]

5 years should have been enough though.



Maybe so, the same point still stands though. Kaz's 'vision', whatever that is, wasn't possible on those consoles if it still isn't on PS3, but it didn't stop them making the games.



Yes, but they've already done 90% of the hard work. GT5 is an excellent platform to base GT6 on. I'm bored of writing out all the changes they can make but it's mostly content, and PS3 being hard to develop for isn't an excuse. If other devs can build the 'game' part of it in good time, so can PD. Remember Kaz said 60% of dev times goes on car modelling alone.



I disagree. What are you going to do with new tracks and 10 new cars without anything new to do with them? GT needs a lot more than tracks and cars at this point.



They're different because one is a different platform entirely and the others were made as GT5 was being made. What they made for GTHD and GT5 they could use on GT5. It's not like it's a different game entirely, the only time 'lost' on those games was patching/updating Prologue. Other than that, everything they did was working towards GT5, Prologue being a WIP.

So for GT6/7 it would be the same. They're already creating assets at PS4 quality, so whether they keep them locked up for the PS4 game or use them now in a PS3 game it's not going to be that much time lost. Besides, you seem to think a long dev time is ok so if we had to wait 3 years after GT6 on PS3 for GT7 on PS4, what's the problem?





Where are you getting holiday 2013 from for the Console? Most major console of the last two or three generations has been announced first at E3 and released at least a year afterwards. PS3 was announced first at E3 2005, again at 2006 then released Nov 2006. So unless they buck the two trends (Announcing at E3 and releasing roughly 18 months after the first reveal) then PS4 will be revealed at E3 2013 and be released holiday 2014.



Please don't use the earthquake as an excuse, PD were not hugely affected by it.




Again, GT6 on PS3 could be a huge improvement in terms of content and polish. I asked this to someone else, what issues do you have when driving a premium car on a track like the ring? The core gameplay is there and is great, it just needs a lot more content built around it.

All valid statement... except this one. I guess you consider moving most of their workforce to a new location not a huge affect. Nobody at PD was directly hurt or killed, yes, but that does not count for friends and family. There was not a person in the entire country of Japan that was not affected in some by the earthquake.

 

[georgetigra]

Heard of Forza Horizon? Supposedly open world driving with Forza 4 Sim Physics intact (I think).

edit:
Heard of Forza Horizon? Supposedly open world driving with burnout paradise Physics intact..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGx3Uif3maA&feature=player_embedded
take a look..

 

[Tornado]

I am saying 5 years was not enough. The development of GT5 was rushed by SCE. This made the game worse. This is not a debatable subject. It is well documented.

It is well documented that Kaz also said GT5 was finished. Complete. Ready for release. Being polished. "Expect perfection." In Fall 2009. Don't cherry pick. It's exceedingly annoying.


Also, giving a developer half a decade and an unlimited budget and then forcing them to release something after all that is not "rushing."

Yes, they do need new hardware. The PS3 is hard and time consuming to develop for (still to this day, even for Sony's own devs). Especially for a game like GT5 (complex).

Good thing they've been working on GT6 for two years now, and building directly on top of GT5 (so most of the grunt work is already done), isn't it then?

Finally, to put a nail in the coffin on this point, Kaz has said it himself. Look it up.

As pointed out above, Kaz's statements being definitive proof of anything other than he needs to keep his mouth shut more often than not is a ship that sailed years ago.

I do not know what they are going to do in the future. I hope they release new DLC. Motegi is a strong possibility and it is likely that will be paired with some other content. For me 1-2 new tracks and 1-2 more car packs is enough for a while.

Because so far that's done wonders for GT5's longevity. I mean, everyone uses the DLC cars and tracks already released onl-

Hm.



Well, at least PD gave us things to do with the-

Oh.

Ok this is just silly. If they are making one game, that slows down another. I rest my case with GT PSP.

You mean the game that PD took people away from the development of GT5 to work on because they refused to let anyone else make it like any other Sony developer would have? Yeah. I doubt PD would actively develop two main series games at the same time, so that's not really a valid comparison.

What about GTHD and GT5p... I am sure that didn't slow things down either? Next.

You mean the games that were GT5 in earlier development iterations, and thus were part of GT5 development, and thus prove absolutely nothing for your point?

Next.

4 years is too long? Try telling that to Street Fighter and Starcraft fans and they will laugh at you.

Interesting. Because the only reason there was a decade gap between SF III and SF IV was because Capcom thought the genre was dead, and thus wasn't making any games in it in that period.

So, what's the relevance of SF IV? Not that I'm sure what "look, other fans have it worse" is supposed to prove in the first place.

Lets assume the PS4 is coming out holiday season 2013 (with the chance of March 2014). That is a year and a half from now. Add one year to that and you are at 2.5-3 years. That sounds very reasonable.

Except Sony isn't going to release the PS4 in the same year that they announce it, and there is little-to-no chance that they will announce it this year (as they've said several times that they are "committed to the PS3 10 year lifespan").

Then consider the earthquake. PD is not releasing a new game anytime soon.

For you to bring this up well over a year after it happened (and nearly a year after PD have already moved to their new offices well away from their old ones which would make it irrelevant even if PD were hugely effected by it, which they weren't in the first place) to push your argument is almost sickening. And I seriously hope you didn't intend it to be.

And GT7 on the PS4 would probably release at least 3 years into the PS4s life.

No. If GT7 on PS4 would release 3+ years into the system's life, then so would GT6. There is nothing from a developer point of view different between the two titles other than asset creation that would delay it that much, because PD's first PS4 game would be PD's first PS4 game and is therefore going to have all the same delay-inducing development problems regardless.

Considering how marginal GT6's improvement (based on hardware) on the PS3 can be I am not willing to wait from GT5 to GT on PS4 for a truly revamped GT game.

The elephant in the room being that you don't need new hardware to have a substantial improvement over GT5, since most of the problems with it were bad design decisions that had nothing to do with the hardware.

All valid statement... except this one. I guess you consider moving most of their workforce to a new location not a huge affect. Nobody at PD was directly hurt or killed, yes, but that does not count for friends and family. There was not a person in the entire country of Japan that was not affected in some by the earthquake.

They were planning on moving anyway as part of their expansion plans. And, to reiterate, it was well over a year ago. Stop bringing it up as if it will continue to matter for the future of Japanese development for years to come when PD has already gone back to business as usual since then.