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Danoff
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Toxic batteries in landfills strikes me as an easier problem to cope with than unwanted emissions. The landfill issue is actually pretty far down there in my mind, behind the issue of how to get the raw materials to meet the demand for batteries that would be created by a world running on electric vehicles.
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So, no, right? But nice clickbait headline, anyway.
End of article:
So, no, right? But nice clickbait headline, anyway.
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I would argue more that they simply set up a question and answered it as their conclusion.
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It's just exhaust gas... people play pranks with it. For example, these fellas play a prank when they start a catalyst regeneration cycle (blowing all the soot from the exhaust catalyst).
So, it can be worse. On the other side, at least in Europe it were humans who had a choice and thus voluntarily applied to undergo this scientific test inside a hospital. I mean, someone has to find out if something is poison or not.
Of course, I don't think it's wise to do the below thing yourself at home.
So, it can be worse. On the other side, at least in Europe it were humans who had a choice and thus voluntarily applied to undergo this scientific test inside a hospital. I mean, someone has to find out if something is poison or not.
Of course, I don't think it's wise to do the below thing yourself at home.
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There's plenty of dead beat people on this planet they could of used to experiment with. Why not use convicted murderers, paedophiles and rapists?
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If we did that, we wouldn't be any better than them now would we?
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In addition to Northstar above. I do also think that there is a difference between using people and asking them to voluntarily participate in.
Also, what's there to nag about when people voluntarily do something for science. Such people also aid in testing prototype medicines for cures to many kinds of bad or worse diseases (cancer, eczema, diabetes, aids, astma, etc) or the kind that aid people in not rejecting their new organs for instance.
Instead of these people being pitied upon I think we should actually praise them more as heros that give their life in order to further science, and with that humankind. I mean, if a soldier is graced as being a hero than I also believe such people should be as well.
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But Elon is already getting the rocket technology to sell to us when we'll need to send them far far away.
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So what you are basically saying is that if we punish convicted killers we are not better than them? Well, I disagree, and so does the entire jurisdiction, thankfully - prison is a deprivation of liberty and comfort which people do not enjoy at all, so it is a form of punishment which millions of convicted criminals endure every single day.
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They do? Last I checked a majority oppose torture.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/09/global-opinion-use-of-torture/?amp=1
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Meanwhile in my country , they are eating monkeys (bushmeat)
Let us not stop there. What about products that humans use? I am sure that they are tested on animals. Those who say that they do no test them , I find they should still investigate them...
Let us not stop there. What about products that humans use? I am sure that they are tested on animals. Those who say that they do no test them , I find they should still investigate them...
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There were several things that could easily be considered unethical - firstly, the fact that some of the cars being tested (e.g. VWs) were fitted with cheat devices prior to testing, hence the emissions being measured were nothing like those being emitted by the cars during actual driving. A second point is that the research was being sponsored by the car companies with the intention of publishing at least one scientific paper that showed that diesel emissions were safe - and that publishing such a paper was a condition of receiving full payment. The other main point relates to the use of humans as test subjects, in breach of the ethical guidelines of the companies who sponsored the research, not to mention the German government who I'd imagine are a bit touchy when it comes to the idea of gassing people for medical research purposes.
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I suppose "Car makers fund poorly conceived, and potentially biased tests" doesn't get as many clicks as a headline that conjures up torture and crimes against nature... and I believe the latter is how Joe Public will perceive this.
... and I'm pretty sure the German government is okay with it's €40 Billion Pharma industry, and it's status as one of the world leaders in Clinical trials... this doesn't happen without experimenting on animals (more than 2 million per year), and people (literally).
Testing on Animals, and the systemic problems within the car industry really are two separate things. Chucking the two together needlessly fuels public vitriol with no benefit other than to generate click-revenue.
... but that's just my opinion.
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When are people going to learn there is no such thing as clean diesel or clean Cars
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Therapeutic.
Not therapeutic.LRRI
And that's literally the difference. From a scientific ethics point of view, animal testing should only be carried out when there is a potential therapeutic benefit to the research. Giving rats cancer to test anti-cancer drugs is acceptable - a long, LONG way into the development of the drugs - but giving rats cancer because you want to see how long it takes them to die from cancer isn't.
Nor is pumping diesel exhaust fumes into monkeys' lungs for four hours while they watch cartoons, to see if they get lung cancer from it. Mind you, that's not even a well-designed experiment...
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Still, a lot of people use methane gas to cook on. So methane isn't all that bad but can have deadly effects in huge quantities.
Co2 is also something that is useful. For example, they use it to create all those bubbles in drinks. They also use it in greenhouses to aid in the growth of the plant, as Co2 is food for plants which it turns back into O2 (oxygen) for many of us to breath by means of photosynthesis.
Honest question with the latter in mind. Why do we wish to take away the food supply from the plants who use it to provide us with one of our main needs to stay alive... our oxygen, so why?
I do realize that exhaust gasses contain substances that are harmful to us, but it's not the Co2 that will kill us or give us diseases like cancer. So this whole Co2 story is just a made up BS story for marketing purposes. Mind I talk about Co2 in particular here as a substance.
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Indeed, I didn't think of that but that is indeed so.
Here's a list of more applications, including a medical one: http://www.co2gasplants.com/applications-co2.html
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Methane venting straight out of a horse's rear end into the atmosphere is a problem.
Methane channeled into a pressurized container for use is less so.
Thus: We should move back to horse drawn carriages and stick methane taps up their butts. The methane runs the generator that powers the lights and the radio.
Methane channeled into a pressurized container for use is less so.
Thus: We should move back to horse drawn carriages and stick methane taps up their butts. The methane runs the generator that powers the lights and the radio.
